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Yer according to an interview with "Toyota" Ken Toyota, Nintendo Japans PR man,
"E3 will be the starting point for the Revolution. [We haven't decided] whether we will show the real machine, videos, or unveil the concept. ... We want to receive some level of evaluation, but releasing too much information is also another issue. We don't have the slightest intention of making a machine that follows the same path as conventional game hardware. Right now, we are thinking of how we can accurately convey to people at E3 the different path that the Revolution will take and how it will change the way that games will be enjoyed."
With PS3 and Xbox 2 confirmed playable, it would be an idiotic move by Nintendo not to have some sort of hands on demonstration of the Revolution. If the reason that they keep everything movie form is because they don't have any actual playable games, then Nintendo are in trouble. With Revolution's Launch pencilled in (by us) for 12 - 18 months time, no playable software, indeed no playable hardware is a worrying sign.
If 3rd parties don't get a chance to get to grips with Revolution soon, the launch will be another 3 game Nintendo only affair, and up against stiff competition from Sony and Microsoft (despite what Nintendo like to think), their own Revolutionary games won't be enough to carry the console.
"E3 will be the starting point for the Revolution. [We haven't decided] whether we will show the real machine, videos, or unveil the concept. ... We want to receive some level of evaluation, but releasing too much information is also another issue. We don't have the slightest intention of making a machine that follows the same path as conventional game hardware. Right now, we are thinking of how we can accurately convey to people at E3 the different path that the Revolution will take and how it will change the way that games will be enjoyed."
With PS3 and Xbox 2 confirmed playable, it would be an idiotic move by Nintendo not to have some sort of hands on demonstration of the Revolution. If the reason that they keep everything movie form is because they don't have any actual playable games, then Nintendo are in trouble. With Revolution's Launch pencilled in (by us) for 12 - 18 months time, no playable software, indeed no playable hardware is a worrying sign.
If 3rd parties don't get a chance to get to grips with Revolution soon, the launch will be another 3 game Nintendo only affair, and up against stiff competition from Sony and Microsoft (despite what Nintendo like to think), their own Revolutionary games won't be enough to carry the console.
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Dringo wrote:
> And then there is everyones "Nintendo is alienating the third
> parties again" when in fact Nintendo have said about 20 times in
> the last 10 months "We are really really working hard to improve
> third party relations" and you still go "Oh third parties
> won't support the next console.... noooo!"
I could work really har at being black. BUt that doesn't mean I will be black, does it?
> And then there is everyones "Nintendo is alienating the third
> parties again" when in fact Nintendo have said about 20 times in
> the last 10 months "We are really really working hard to improve
> third party relations" and you still go "Oh third parties
> won't support the next console.... noooo!"
I could work really har at being black. BUt that doesn't mean I will be black, does it?
Dringo wrote:
> I think this is utterly hilarious.
Long posts that aren't going to change a damn thing.
I concur.
> I think this is utterly hilarious.
Long posts that aren't going to change a damn thing.
I concur.
gerrid wrote:
> I think that if Nintendo get their dev kits right, so that creating
> efects and such is really easy, 3rd parties will jump all over it.
Since other consoles will be out earlier, they'd actually be better off making sure it's easy to port games across to.
> I think that if Nintendo get their dev kits right, so that creating
> efects and such is really easy, 3rd parties will jump all over it.
Since other consoles will be out earlier, they'd actually be better off making sure it's easy to port games across to.
Come E3, we'll see.
I think this is utterly hilarious.
A Nintendo PR guy says he doesn't know exactly how much of Revolution will be shown and you all believe that means it won't be shown, which means no third parties, lack of software, console not ready... console doomed.
I find this so so funny because you've all made about 20 assumptions from something someone didn't actually say.
And then there is everyones "Nintendo is alienating the third parties again" when in fact Nintendo have said about 20 times in the last 10 months "We are really really working hard to improve third party relations" and you still go "Oh third parties won't support the next console.... noooo!"
I know Nintendo speak PR, it's what they do to try and sell things. But they don't actually make anything up! When they say "We're speaking with several third parties" do you know what that means? Hmmm???
The fact is Revolution doesn't have to appear at E3, it doesn't matter! PSP wasn't playable at last years E3 games show and it was released 6 months later. Did the papers and magazines and websites not cover it?
You're all fools. Gaming magazines cover all aspects of gaming. If there is 3 unveilings of hardware at E3, which there will be, then all 3 will feature in a nice console war article in all multiformat magazines. And it'll tell you what they're doing, the specs of the system and clips.
I can't believe all this fuss over some journalists not being able to play the console.
Christ.
A Nintendo PR guy says he doesn't know exactly how much of Revolution will be shown and you all believe that means it won't be shown, which means no third parties, lack of software, console not ready... console doomed.
I find this so so funny because you've all made about 20 assumptions from something someone didn't actually say.
And then there is everyones "Nintendo is alienating the third parties again" when in fact Nintendo have said about 20 times in the last 10 months "We are really really working hard to improve third party relations" and you still go "Oh third parties won't support the next console.... noooo!"
I know Nintendo speak PR, it's what they do to try and sell things. But they don't actually make anything up! When they say "We're speaking with several third parties" do you know what that means? Hmmm???
The fact is Revolution doesn't have to appear at E3, it doesn't matter! PSP wasn't playable at last years E3 games show and it was released 6 months later. Did the papers and magazines and websites not cover it?
You're all fools. Gaming magazines cover all aspects of gaming. If there is 3 unveilings of hardware at E3, which there will be, then all 3 will feature in a nice console war article in all multiformat magazines. And it'll tell you what they're doing, the specs of the system and clips.
I can't believe all this fuss over some journalists not being able to play the console.
Christ.
gerrid wrote:
> I'm not taking anything as fact. I'm saying that if Revolution is only
> videos of games, it's hardly going to set the world alight, is it?
> People's first glimpse of it will be as movies of games with inferior
> graphics to the PS3 and the XB2 (allegedly called the Xbox 360 now),
> and they'll all think "It's just another gamecube". If the
> Revolution is so revolutionary then just videos isn't going to do it
> justice. In fact, it will do more harm than good, as it will appear
> inferior to the other two consoles.
According to your quote Nintendo are looking to find ways of conveying their revolutionary new approach, so that completley destroys your theory Nintendo won't display that.
> Obviously that is assuming that it has less raw power, but that's
> something that Nintendo have suggested themselves.
Never EVER have Nintendo said that. Don't confuse "Graphics aren't the future" with "We don't want good graphics". Nintendo merely say that to try and make their system seem more appealing than the graphical updates of the competitors. How many times must Nintendo fans be told not to take the statement literally.
> You can't deny that having a solid Revolution console for people to
> look at, or have a demonstration of the new controller, or whatever,
> will cause a major amount of hype. A lot more than just some talking
> heads saying "Revolution will revolutionise gaming as we know
> it, it will have this this and this". Having it playable on the
> show floor isn't necessary, but having it in some tangible form would
> be a major boost, I feel.
It'll mean the journalists will struggle less with information, but a specs sheet, brief demo of how the system will work (probably by Miyamoto) and some videos is perfectly apt.
> My worry is that, 18 months before launch, if the hardware isn't
> ready to be shown, developers can't have accurate dev kits. If the
> controller isn't finalised, and if it is so revolutionary, developers
> won't have time to create proper games for launch, I feel. My example
> is the DS, which seems to be in the same boat as the Revolution, in
> that it has a new control mechanism and a new viewing mechanism. As
> handheld development times are shorter generally, I think it is fair
> to give the comparison between E3 2004 DS - DS release and E3 2005
> Revolution - Revolution release. Look at the DS release. There were
> only tech demos at E3, and our launch games were not exactly awe
> inspiring or must have games. FTM uses the hardware most fully but is
> a very shallow game. Mario is a port.
But the DS came out 6 months after E3. Not 18 months. And more the point the Gamecube controller was changed many times before the thing was shown. The amount of buttons and so forth will have already been decided with a rough layout but it won't be finalised. And when I say the hardware isn't ready I don't mean the specs. I mean the look of it, I mean whether it'll have a modem in it or not, or a hard drive in it or not.
> If revolution doesn't even have tech demos, that smacks of unfinished
> hardware, and that means that games cannot get truly underway in
> development until the cores are finalised. I think that the deve kits
> you refer to are most likely just G5s with similar specs to what
> Nintendo expect the Revolution to have, rather than a tool to
> actually create the games.
If Revolution doesn't even have tech demo's it's because Nintendo don't want Sony or Microsoft getting their grubby little mitts on it. That's all your quote is saying. Your reading into things that aren't there.
> It is obviously just my opinion but I think that if Revolution is
> only shown as mere videos and tech demos, with Reggie shouting
> "It'll be REVOLUTIONARY!", the console will come out the
> worse for it, up against the competition.
You need to remember that Revolution getting an unveiling and then later a playable unveiling gives it 2 games shows in which the press will be swarming over it. Just 1 unveiling which includes the playable hardware will mean one major press coverage. I don't see how this will effect anyone. Casual gamers don't even know what E3 is, sure they'll see news and stuff in the magazines and papers but there'll be coverage of Nintendo's system too. If lets say the hardware isn't ready all the press can do is write what Nintendo say and show. If the hardware isn't ready and show playable then press can criticise the asthetics, the control style and so forth... which is bad press. Which is underserved as the system still has 18 months more development time.
> It would also be foolish, I feel to hype Zelda and Mario above the
> Revolution, as Zelda and Mario only concern fans of the series or
> genre, whereas a major new console annoucement affects the entire
> gaming population of the world. It's almost as if Microsoft were to
> hype their latest version of Word over their new operating system -
> it just wouldn't make sense.
What? Mario and Zelda sell consoles. If Nintendo show of 2 major AAA titles they can start re-building their fan base in time for Revolution. Nintendo need the Gamecube to do well before Revolution is released or... I'm sad to sat... Revolution won't last long at all.
> I'm not taking anything as fact. I'm saying that if Revolution is only
> videos of games, it's hardly going to set the world alight, is it?
> People's first glimpse of it will be as movies of games with inferior
> graphics to the PS3 and the XB2 (allegedly called the Xbox 360 now),
> and they'll all think "It's just another gamecube". If the
> Revolution is so revolutionary then just videos isn't going to do it
> justice. In fact, it will do more harm than good, as it will appear
> inferior to the other two consoles.
According to your quote Nintendo are looking to find ways of conveying their revolutionary new approach, so that completley destroys your theory Nintendo won't display that.
> Obviously that is assuming that it has less raw power, but that's
> something that Nintendo have suggested themselves.
Never EVER have Nintendo said that. Don't confuse "Graphics aren't the future" with "We don't want good graphics". Nintendo merely say that to try and make their system seem more appealing than the graphical updates of the competitors. How many times must Nintendo fans be told not to take the statement literally.
> You can't deny that having a solid Revolution console for people to
> look at, or have a demonstration of the new controller, or whatever,
> will cause a major amount of hype. A lot more than just some talking
> heads saying "Revolution will revolutionise gaming as we know
> it, it will have this this and this". Having it playable on the
> show floor isn't necessary, but having it in some tangible form would
> be a major boost, I feel.
It'll mean the journalists will struggle less with information, but a specs sheet, brief demo of how the system will work (probably by Miyamoto) and some videos is perfectly apt.
> My worry is that, 18 months before launch, if the hardware isn't
> ready to be shown, developers can't have accurate dev kits. If the
> controller isn't finalised, and if it is so revolutionary, developers
> won't have time to create proper games for launch, I feel. My example
> is the DS, which seems to be in the same boat as the Revolution, in
> that it has a new control mechanism and a new viewing mechanism. As
> handheld development times are shorter generally, I think it is fair
> to give the comparison between E3 2004 DS - DS release and E3 2005
> Revolution - Revolution release. Look at the DS release. There were
> only tech demos at E3, and our launch games were not exactly awe
> inspiring or must have games. FTM uses the hardware most fully but is
> a very shallow game. Mario is a port.
But the DS came out 6 months after E3. Not 18 months. And more the point the Gamecube controller was changed many times before the thing was shown. The amount of buttons and so forth will have already been decided with a rough layout but it won't be finalised. And when I say the hardware isn't ready I don't mean the specs. I mean the look of it, I mean whether it'll have a modem in it or not, or a hard drive in it or not.
> If revolution doesn't even have tech demos, that smacks of unfinished
> hardware, and that means that games cannot get truly underway in
> development until the cores are finalised. I think that the deve kits
> you refer to are most likely just G5s with similar specs to what
> Nintendo expect the Revolution to have, rather than a tool to
> actually create the games.
If Revolution doesn't even have tech demo's it's because Nintendo don't want Sony or Microsoft getting their grubby little mitts on it. That's all your quote is saying. Your reading into things that aren't there.
> It is obviously just my opinion but I think that if Revolution is
> only shown as mere videos and tech demos, with Reggie shouting
> "It'll be REVOLUTIONARY!", the console will come out the
> worse for it, up against the competition.
You need to remember that Revolution getting an unveiling and then later a playable unveiling gives it 2 games shows in which the press will be swarming over it. Just 1 unveiling which includes the playable hardware will mean one major press coverage. I don't see how this will effect anyone. Casual gamers don't even know what E3 is, sure they'll see news and stuff in the magazines and papers but there'll be coverage of Nintendo's system too. If lets say the hardware isn't ready all the press can do is write what Nintendo say and show. If the hardware isn't ready and show playable then press can criticise the asthetics, the control style and so forth... which is bad press. Which is underserved as the system still has 18 months more development time.
> It would also be foolish, I feel to hype Zelda and Mario above the
> Revolution, as Zelda and Mario only concern fans of the series or
> genre, whereas a major new console annoucement affects the entire
> gaming population of the world. It's almost as if Microsoft were to
> hype their latest version of Word over their new operating system -
> it just wouldn't make sense.
What? Mario and Zelda sell consoles. If Nintendo show of 2 major AAA titles they can start re-building their fan base in time for Revolution. Nintendo need the Gamecube to do well before Revolution is released or... I'm sad to sat... Revolution won't last long at all.
The thing is Dringo, imagine the outcome of this scenario.
Press Conference 1: PS3 unveiled to the public. Release data planned, Games shown.
Press Conference 2: Xenon unveiled etc etc
Press Conference 3: Nintendo show off their DS plans and bring out these 'Revolution' videos for people to gawp at.
The media will be butchering articles together and what not concerning the new machines, I highly doubt the Revolution will get a look in. It'll be the last message in the paper, a mere mention of it.
This isn't like the last round of consoles, this is the big one. Two (now major) competitors unveiling their beastly machines to the public, one straggler who is left behind to say that something is "on its way".
Nintendo need to seriously think about what they must do around this period, they've got to tread very carefully in order to keep the market sweet for them.
No, we're not saying that "this is the END of Nintendo", they have the handheld market nicely secured.
In the home console market though, they're just the little guy.
Press Conference 1: PS3 unveiled to the public. Release data planned, Games shown.
Press Conference 2: Xenon unveiled etc etc
Press Conference 3: Nintendo show off their DS plans and bring out these 'Revolution' videos for people to gawp at.
The media will be butchering articles together and what not concerning the new machines, I highly doubt the Revolution will get a look in. It'll be the last message in the paper, a mere mention of it.
This isn't like the last round of consoles, this is the big one. Two (now major) competitors unveiling their beastly machines to the public, one straggler who is left behind to say that something is "on its way".
Nintendo need to seriously think about what they must do around this period, they've got to tread very carefully in order to keep the market sweet for them.
No, we're not saying that "this is the END of Nintendo", they have the handheld market nicely secured.
In the home console market though, they're just the little guy.
I think that if Nintendo get their dev kits right, so that creating efects and such is really easy, 3rd parties will jump all over it.
A hardcore gamer's not going to plan on 'looks', they're going to plan on the impressions journo's get from 'hands on play'.
Although they'll pick up a GC too because they're hardcore! ;)
Personally I hope Ninty don't alienate the 3rd parties too much (AGAIN!) because the best multiformat contender is a powerful thing to be in the world of consoles.
Although they'll pick up a GC too because they're hardcore! ;)
Personally I hope Ninty don't alienate the 3rd parties too much (AGAIN!) because the best multiformat contender is a powerful thing to be in the world of consoles.
Infact,in the interview with Toyota, he said that it is difficult to represent the true "fun" of the console with mere facts and figures. If the Revolution appears merely as a concept, as a "it will be like this", you have to admit that that won't seem very impressive. We need examples, proper exampls of how it will work, otherwise most people are automatically sceptical. Just take the attempt to describe fixation points - it's almost incomprehensible babble to most people. Even the diagram doesn't make any real sense.
To really show the Revolution, to really sell it and get it there int he public conciousness as the "real deal", as it were, they need a really good introduction. They've said themselves that they probably won't have any Nintendo specific events, and E3 is their "launching pad" for Revolution. As we all know, the launch is the aspect of takeoff that requires the most energy, the most vigour. If they start too timid, afraid of people stealing their ideas, they will never get off the ground.
To really show the Revolution, to really sell it and get it there int he public conciousness as the "real deal", as it were, they need a really good introduction. They've said themselves that they probably won't have any Nintendo specific events, and E3 is their "launching pad" for Revolution. As we all know, the launch is the aspect of takeoff that requires the most energy, the most vigour. If they start too timid, afraid of people stealing their ideas, they will never get off the ground.
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