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Yer according to an interview with "Toyota" Ken Toyota, Nintendo Japans PR man,
"E3 will be the starting point for the Revolution. [We haven't decided] whether we will show the real machine, videos, or unveil the concept. ... We want to receive some level of evaluation, but releasing too much information is also another issue. We don't have the slightest intention of making a machine that follows the same path as conventional game hardware. Right now, we are thinking of how we can accurately convey to people at E3 the different path that the Revolution will take and how it will change the way that games will be enjoyed."
With PS3 and Xbox 2 confirmed playable, it would be an idiotic move by Nintendo not to have some sort of hands on demonstration of the Revolution. If the reason that they keep everything movie form is because they don't have any actual playable games, then Nintendo are in trouble. With Revolution's Launch pencilled in (by us) for 12 - 18 months time, no playable software, indeed no playable hardware is a worrying sign.
If 3rd parties don't get a chance to get to grips with Revolution soon, the launch will be another 3 game Nintendo only affair, and up against stiff competition from Sony and Microsoft (despite what Nintendo like to think), their own Revolutionary games won't be enough to carry the console.
"E3 will be the starting point for the Revolution. [We haven't decided] whether we will show the real machine, videos, or unveil the concept. ... We want to receive some level of evaluation, but releasing too much information is also another issue. We don't have the slightest intention of making a machine that follows the same path as conventional game hardware. Right now, we are thinking of how we can accurately convey to people at E3 the different path that the Revolution will take and how it will change the way that games will be enjoyed."
With PS3 and Xbox 2 confirmed playable, it would be an idiotic move by Nintendo not to have some sort of hands on demonstration of the Revolution. If the reason that they keep everything movie form is because they don't have any actual playable games, then Nintendo are in trouble. With Revolution's Launch pencilled in (by us) for 12 - 18 months time, no playable software, indeed no playable hardware is a worrying sign.
If 3rd parties don't get a chance to get to grips with Revolution soon, the launch will be another 3 game Nintendo only affair, and up against stiff competition from Sony and Microsoft (despite what Nintendo like to think), their own Revolutionary games won't be enough to carry the console.
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gerrid wrote:
> They always say that stuff. I'm saying that they actually need to DO
> it.
No they don't actually, that's what makes this so different.
> No here is where you are wrong. I'll be plain. If Nintendo only give
> out a concept idea (something that they said they are considering), I
> don't think it will be enough, and I think it suggests that the
> Revolution isn't very far along in terms of definite design. This
Nintendo aren't just going to do that though, because they simply won't. I'd put money on that there will be a presentation all about it. Which is implied in your quote above.
> No. No no no no no. Now who's making assumptions. They said they
> might just unveil the CONCEPT. That means no videos, no games, just
> Reggie saying "it'll be like this, it'll be great". Sorry
> but that's not going to convince me.
How do you unveil a concept? It won't just be "this is what we'll do", they'll show that in some way. And besides that was like the extreme example he gave.
> I know that the release is a long way off, I'm just saying that in
> the past Nintendo have been slow in releasing information on their
> consoles (N64 and GC) - after the competition, and it's hurt them.
> Because they've been behind. Showing the console to the public, as
> videos of games etc, allows more time for proper feedback, more time
> to give the consumer what they want. Keeping stuff secret and
> thinking that you know best isn't the best strategy. I'm saying it's
> hurt Nintendo in the past and it could hurt them again.
N64 was unveiled with plenty of time but i'll ignore that for a bit. Nintendo tend to know what they're doing, they do. There's no point in getting feedback for unfinished products because half of it will be stuff they already know and some of it just won't apply when it's finished. When the product is nearly finished, that's when they need to show it around and get people to complain so they can tweak it.
> Eh? The Revolution is launching along side PS3 you know this yes?
>
> I'm clearly talking about the Gamecube. You have said on several
> occasions, as have others, that when PS3 and Xb360 are released
> Nintendo could offer the GC as a cheap budget alternative to those
> consoles. I'm saying that it's a cheap budget alternative NOW and it
> isn't drawing in the punters, so why would it against stronger
> opposition?
No I didn't. Strafio says that. Not me. In fact I disagree with him regarding that wildly.
> I'm bored of this now Dringo. I am just offering my take on what
> Nintendo SHOULD do, and you seem to take it as if I'm saying what
> they ARE doing. There's a big difference and I hope you can see it.
Nah, you're little post is an attack on a stratagy Nintendo haven't developed yet. Don't deny it.
> They always say that stuff. I'm saying that they actually need to DO
> it.
No they don't actually, that's what makes this so different.
> No here is where you are wrong. I'll be plain. If Nintendo only give
> out a concept idea (something that they said they are considering), I
> don't think it will be enough, and I think it suggests that the
> Revolution isn't very far along in terms of definite design. This
Nintendo aren't just going to do that though, because they simply won't. I'd put money on that there will be a presentation all about it. Which is implied in your quote above.
> No. No no no no no. Now who's making assumptions. They said they
> might just unveil the CONCEPT. That means no videos, no games, just
> Reggie saying "it'll be like this, it'll be great". Sorry
> but that's not going to convince me.
How do you unveil a concept? It won't just be "this is what we'll do", they'll show that in some way. And besides that was like the extreme example he gave.
> I know that the release is a long way off, I'm just saying that in
> the past Nintendo have been slow in releasing information on their
> consoles (N64 and GC) - after the competition, and it's hurt them.
> Because they've been behind. Showing the console to the public, as
> videos of games etc, allows more time for proper feedback, more time
> to give the consumer what they want. Keeping stuff secret and
> thinking that you know best isn't the best strategy. I'm saying it's
> hurt Nintendo in the past and it could hurt them again.
N64 was unveiled with plenty of time but i'll ignore that for a bit. Nintendo tend to know what they're doing, they do. There's no point in getting feedback for unfinished products because half of it will be stuff they already know and some of it just won't apply when it's finished. When the product is nearly finished, that's when they need to show it around and get people to complain so they can tweak it.
> Eh? The Revolution is launching along side PS3 you know this yes?
>
> I'm clearly talking about the Gamecube. You have said on several
> occasions, as have others, that when PS3 and Xb360 are released
> Nintendo could offer the GC as a cheap budget alternative to those
> consoles. I'm saying that it's a cheap budget alternative NOW and it
> isn't drawing in the punters, so why would it against stronger
> opposition?
No I didn't. Strafio says that. Not me. In fact I disagree with him regarding that wildly.
> I'm bored of this now Dringo. I am just offering my take on what
> Nintendo SHOULD do, and you seem to take it as if I'm saying what
> they ARE doing. There's a big difference and I hope you can see it.
Nah, you're little post is an attack on a stratagy Nintendo haven't developed yet. Don't deny it.
N64 Fan wrote:
> How do you know they are going to show Revolution? No-one else seems
> to know what Nintendo have up their sleeve so how do you know this?
> Nintendo dont release information about whats happening tomorrow let
> alone in 3 months time!
Nintendo have said Revolution will be unveiled at E3. Good enough to me.
> And you also said they disappointed in 2000 with not showing the
> 'Dolphin'! Well they couldn't show the 'Dolphin' in 2000 becuase it
> didnt exist did it?
No I didn't someone else did.
> How do you know they are going to show Revolution? No-one else seems
> to know what Nintendo have up their sleeve so how do you know this?
> Nintendo dont release information about whats happening tomorrow let
> alone in 3 months time!
Nintendo have said Revolution will be unveiled at E3. Good enough to me.
> And you also said they disappointed in 2000 with not showing the
> 'Dolphin'! Well they couldn't show the 'Dolphin' in 2000 becuase it
> didnt exist did it?
No I didn't someone else did.
You seem to assume, Dringo, that because MS and Sony are showing their consoles then they won't be showing are videos of future software and Ninty'll have the monopoly in that area.
Why, I can't think.
Why, I can't think.
Thanks.
If XB360 is out for the end of this year, then it will most definitely be playable.
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Ashley_90 wrote:
> gerrid wrote:
> With PS3 and Xbox 2 confirmed playable
>
> When was this confirmed? Have you got a link?
> gerrid wrote:
> With PS3 and Xbox 2 confirmed playable
>
> When was this confirmed? Have you got a link?
Dringo wrote:
> Oh wait Nintendo said all of that. So I guess once again Gerrid is
> making more assumptions based on nothing but past mistakes.
They always say that stuff. I'm saying that they actually need to DO it.
> But Nintendo are showing Revolution? You seem to be confused with
> what they are/aren't showing.
No here is where you are wrong. I'll be plain. If Nintendo only give out a concept idea (something that they said they are considering), I don't think it will be enough, and I think it suggests that the Revolution isn't very far along in terms of definite design. This worries me.
> Hints at revolution? They're showing videos of the games and how the
> machine is going to work. AT LEAST!
No. No no no no no. Now who's making assumptions. They said they might just unveil the CONCEPT. That means no videos, no games, just Reggie saying "it'll be like this, it'll be great". Sorry but that's not going to convince me.
> I don't care what you think. No one is gonna be bothered about the
> next gen consoles until they're near release.
I know that the release is a long way off, I'm just saying that in the past Nintendo have been slow in releasing information on their consoles (N64 and GC) - after the competition, and it's hurt them. Because they've been behind. Showing the console to the public, as videos of games etc, allows more time for proper feedback, more time to give the consumer what they want. Keeping stuff secret and thinking that you know best isn't the best strategy. I'm saying it's hurt Nintendo in the past and it could hurt them again.
> Nintendo
> can't just ignore it and think the GC will hold it's own.
>
> Nintendo aren't, you're assuming they are.
No, I'm not assuming they ARE. I'm saying they SHOULDN'T. I don't say that Nintendo ARE doing anything! I just say what I THINK they SHOULD do. See the difference?
> It didn't
> hold it's own against equal oppostion how on earth will it manage it
> against much much stronger competition? Because it's cheap? It's
> bloody cheap now!
>
> Eh? The Revolution is launching along side PS3 you know this yes?
I'm clearly talking about the Gamecube. You have said on several occasions, as have others, that when PS3 and Xb360 are released Nintendo could offer the GC as a cheap budget alternative to those consoles. I'm saying that it's a cheap budget alternative NOW and it isn't drawing in the punters, so why would it against stronger opposition?
> And ARG I never said there would be no 3rd party Revolution support!
> Why on earth do you keep saying like I did?
>
> You've harped on about third parties not having the system to work
> on.
what utter balls. I never "harped on" about anything. I suggested that good dev kits is a good way to get 3rd parties on board, and that getting them proper dev kits early means more time for them to make games.
I'm bored of this now Dringo. I am just offering my take on what Nintendo SHOULD do, and you seem to take it as if I'm saying what they ARE doing. There's a big difference and I hope you can see it.
> Oh wait Nintendo said all of that. So I guess once again Gerrid is
> making more assumptions based on nothing but past mistakes.
They always say that stuff. I'm saying that they actually need to DO it.
> But Nintendo are showing Revolution? You seem to be confused with
> what they are/aren't showing.
No here is where you are wrong. I'll be plain. If Nintendo only give out a concept idea (something that they said they are considering), I don't think it will be enough, and I think it suggests that the Revolution isn't very far along in terms of definite design. This worries me.
> Hints at revolution? They're showing videos of the games and how the
> machine is going to work. AT LEAST!
No. No no no no no. Now who's making assumptions. They said they might just unveil the CONCEPT. That means no videos, no games, just Reggie saying "it'll be like this, it'll be great". Sorry but that's not going to convince me.
> I don't care what you think. No one is gonna be bothered about the
> next gen consoles until they're near release.
I know that the release is a long way off, I'm just saying that in the past Nintendo have been slow in releasing information on their consoles (N64 and GC) - after the competition, and it's hurt them. Because they've been behind. Showing the console to the public, as videos of games etc, allows more time for proper feedback, more time to give the consumer what they want. Keeping stuff secret and thinking that you know best isn't the best strategy. I'm saying it's hurt Nintendo in the past and it could hurt them again.
> Nintendo
> can't just ignore it and think the GC will hold it's own.
>
> Nintendo aren't, you're assuming they are.
No, I'm not assuming they ARE. I'm saying they SHOULDN'T. I don't say that Nintendo ARE doing anything! I just say what I THINK they SHOULD do. See the difference?
> It didn't
> hold it's own against equal oppostion how on earth will it manage it
> against much much stronger competition? Because it's cheap? It's
> bloody cheap now!
>
> Eh? The Revolution is launching along side PS3 you know this yes?
I'm clearly talking about the Gamecube. You have said on several occasions, as have others, that when PS3 and Xb360 are released Nintendo could offer the GC as a cheap budget alternative to those consoles. I'm saying that it's a cheap budget alternative NOW and it isn't drawing in the punters, so why would it against stronger opposition?
> And ARG I never said there would be no 3rd party Revolution support!
> Why on earth do you keep saying like I did?
>
> You've harped on about third parties not having the system to work
> on.
what utter balls. I never "harped on" about anything. I suggested that good dev kits is a good way to get 3rd parties on board, and that getting them proper dev kits early means more time for them to make games.
I'm bored of this now Dringo. I am just offering my take on what Nintendo SHOULD do, and you seem to take it as if I'm saying what they ARE doing. There's a big difference and I hope you can see it.
Dringo wrote:
> Nintendo will show enough to counter the competiton. They always do.
> E3 is, always will be Nintendo's moment in the spotlight before Sony
> and Microsoft run off with the sales.
The year 2000?
> Nintendo will show enough to counter the competiton. They always do.
> E3 is, always will be Nintendo's moment in the spotlight before Sony
> and Microsoft run off with the sales.
The year 2000?
Dringo wrote:
> But Nintendo are showing Revolution? You seem to be confused with
> what they are/aren't showing. I wasn't dissapointed they didn't show
> Gamecube. I never read a post saying they were dissapointed.
How do you know they are going to show Revolution? No-one else seems to know what Nintendo have up their sleeve so how do you know this?
Nintendo dont release information about whats happening tomorrow let alone in 3 months time!
And you also said they disappointed in 2000 with not showing the 'Dolphin'! Well they couldn't show the 'Dolphin' in 2000 becuase it didnt exist did it?
> But Nintendo are showing Revolution? You seem to be confused with
> what they are/aren't showing. I wasn't dissapointed they didn't show
> Gamecube. I never read a post saying they were dissapointed.
How do you know they are going to show Revolution? No-one else seems to know what Nintendo have up their sleeve so how do you know this?
Nintendo dont release information about whats happening tomorrow let alone in 3 months time!
And you also said they disappointed in 2000 with not showing the 'Dolphin'! Well they couldn't show the 'Dolphin' in 2000 becuase it didnt exist did it?
Tiltawhirl wrote:
> Ninty really need to put on a good show and give me some info on 1st
> party titles or once again I'll go with Microsoft.
I think you should go with Microsoft.
You've clearly lost it as a Nintendo fan as you're not likeing the games.
> Ninty really need to put on a good show and give me some info on 1st
> party titles or once again I'll go with Microsoft.
I think you should go with Microsoft.
You've clearly lost it as a Nintendo fan as you're not likeing the games.
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