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Right let me explain something to you about people.
People don't like to be told what to do. You may be right, you may be wrong, but endlessly forcing your beliefs on people is going to force away more people than it 'saves'.
Don't think of us as the 'children of God' think of us as the 'Adolescents of God' now apply all the cliches that go with adolescence: The more you tell us to do something the more likely we are to go against what you say, we aren't going to listen to you when we can think for ourselves, we are making the most of our freedom and anyone who is seeking to limit that freedom is biting off more than they can chew.
What we want is actions NOT words if you can show people what good you or your faction of christianity actually PHYSICALLY DOES to make the world a better place, you've a much better chance of having people listen to you. If you go around quoting events that 'happened' hundreds of years ago most people will ignore you. You have to be relevant to people for them to listen to you, so what I want you to let us know is what does your particular branch of christianty PHYSICALLY DO to make the world a better place? Do you have schemes that help the poor? Do you try to help areas suffering from disease and famine? If your branch merely focuses it's energy on converting people through word of mouth alone and not through deeds then I'm afraid your branch is destined to wither and die.
People don't like to be told what to do. You may be right, you may be wrong, but endlessly forcing your beliefs on people is going to force away more people than it 'saves'.
Don't think of us as the 'children of God' think of us as the 'Adolescents of God' now apply all the cliches that go with adolescence: The more you tell us to do something the more likely we are to go against what you say, we aren't going to listen to you when we can think for ourselves, we are making the most of our freedom and anyone who is seeking to limit that freedom is biting off more than they can chew.
What we want is actions NOT words if you can show people what good you or your faction of christianity actually PHYSICALLY DOES to make the world a better place, you've a much better chance of having people listen to you. If you go around quoting events that 'happened' hundreds of years ago most people will ignore you. You have to be relevant to people for them to listen to you, so what I want you to let us know is what does your particular branch of christianty PHYSICALLY DO to make the world a better place? Do you have schemes that help the poor? Do you try to help areas suffering from disease and famine? If your branch merely focuses it's energy on converting people through word of mouth alone and not through deeds then I'm afraid your branch is destined to wither and die.
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Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> And everyone else.
>
> Apart from women, homosexuals, people who smoke, drink, pierce, doubt
> his existance, belive in other gods / god etc etc etc etc
Women? God has nothing against women. Except when it comes to ministry, they must not be ministers.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> And everyone else.
>
> Apart from women, homosexuals, people who smoke, drink, pierce, doubt
> his existance, belive in other gods / god etc etc etc etc
Women? God has nothing against women. Except when it comes to ministry, they must not be ministers.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> God still loves them, He died for EVERYONE, but only those who
> believe in Jesus can have the sin, that Jesus' paid the price for
> redeemed.
>
> So if he loves everyone, why threaten them with hell exactly?
Man sends himself to Hell actually Pandaemonium. We all sin, the sins stay with us for eternity, the punishment for sin is Hellfire, because God is just, the only way to shift those sins is to believe in Jesus and put them on that cross.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> God still loves them, He died for EVERYONE, but only those who
> believe in Jesus can have the sin, that Jesus' paid the price for
> redeemed.
>
> So if he loves everyone, why threaten them with hell exactly?
Man sends himself to Hell actually Pandaemonium. We all sin, the sins stay with us for eternity, the punishment for sin is Hellfire, because God is just, the only way to shift those sins is to believe in Jesus and put them on that cross.
Hedfix wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Hedfix wrote:
> Any comments Forest Fan?
>
> On what Hedfix?
>
> "what I want you to let us know is what does your particular
> branch of christianty PHYSICALLY DO to make the world a better
> place?"
Does good deeds, which everyone seems to like, but believers aren't too bothered about, even though they do them.
But what believers really do is teach people of the love of Jesus, the sacrifice He made on the cross, to save us from sin and tell people how to avoid the fires of Hell.
> "Do you have schemes that help the poor?"
Yes, there are charities that are run by believes, namely World Vision, Salvation Army, Christian Aid, Tearfund as well as others like Evangelical missions like Christian Jew Foundation.
> "Do you try to help areas suffering from disease and
> famine?"
>
> Comment on these.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Hedfix wrote:
> Any comments Forest Fan?
>
> On what Hedfix?
>
> "what I want you to let us know is what does your particular
> branch of christianty PHYSICALLY DO to make the world a better
> place?"
Does good deeds, which everyone seems to like, but believers aren't too bothered about, even though they do them.
But what believers really do is teach people of the love of Jesus, the sacrifice He made on the cross, to save us from sin and tell people how to avoid the fires of Hell.
> "Do you have schemes that help the poor?"
Yes, there are charities that are run by believes, namely World Vision, Salvation Army, Christian Aid, Tearfund as well as others like Evangelical missions like Christian Jew Foundation.
> "Do you try to help areas suffering from disease and
> famine?"
>
> Comment on these.
Forest Fan wrote:
> God still loves them, He died for EVERYONE, but only those who
> believe in Jesus can have the sin, that Jesus' paid the price for
> redeemed.
So if he loves everyone, why threaten them with hell exactly?
> God still loves them, He died for EVERYONE, but only those who
> believe in Jesus can have the sin, that Jesus' paid the price for
> redeemed.
So if he loves everyone, why threaten them with hell exactly?
Blue Eagle wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Hedfix wrote:
> Any comments Forest Fan?
>
> On what Hedfix?
>
> *cough* 4-2 *cough* hardly the pride of the midlands...
Well, I would agree with that. However that is our title and I can't be bothered to change the tagline, even if Birmingham City and Aston Villa are leading the way in the Premiership as they represent the Midlands.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Hedfix wrote:
> Any comments Forest Fan?
>
> On what Hedfix?
>
> *cough* 4-2 *cough* hardly the pride of the midlands...
Well, I would agree with that. However that is our title and I can't be bothered to change the tagline, even if Birmingham City and Aston Villa are leading the way in the Premiership as they represent the Midlands.
Paradox: wrote:
> I've seen:
>
> "Jesus loves you, everyone else thinks you're a c**t!"
I haven't until now.
> I've seen:
>
> "Jesus loves you, everyone else thinks you're a c**t!"
I haven't until now.
Paradox: wrote:
> Paragraphs!
Yes, paragraphs!
> Paragraphs!
Yes, paragraphs!
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> And everyone else.
>
> Apart from women, homosexuals, people who smoke, drink, pierce, doubt
> his existance, belive in other gods / god etc etc etc etc
God still loves them, He died for EVERYONE, but only those who believe in Jesus can have the sin, that Jesus' paid the price for redeemed.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> And everyone else.
>
> Apart from women, homosexuals, people who smoke, drink, pierce, doubt
> his existance, belive in other gods / god etc etc etc etc
God still loves them, He died for EVERYONE, but only those who believe in Jesus can have the sin, that Jesus' paid the price for redeemed.
... rather the end of the post.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> ... that it?
>
> Wow, give him zero seconds to reply. That really makes you look as if
> you've "scored a point"...............
Wasn't meant to be time for a reply...
> Forest Fan wrote:
> ... that it?
>
> Wow, give him zero seconds to reply. That really makes you look as if
> you've "scored a point"...............
Wasn't meant to be time for a reply...
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