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Mon 22/03/04 at 17:06
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which country do you hate the most and why?
Mon 22/03/04 at 20:44
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Your country....
Mon 22/03/04 at 20:13
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I don't like France
Mon 22/03/04 at 19:20
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Stranger In Paradise wrote:
> Er yeah, I'd be interested to see proof of that 90% taxation. Fact
> is, under labour especially, people are getting more and more money
> they have worked for taken from them for less return. Council tax
> around here is set to rise by 7.6% next time, which makes it about
> £110 a month for my parents, in return they get the bin emptied
> and that's about it.

Thats Council Tax. The Government don't put the Council Tax up. In the past few months, the Government has increased the money it gives to councils, to try to stop those rises.

I find it especially interesting that, on average, Tory councils put tax up more than Labour councils.

Also, its more than just bins emptied. England now has the cleanest beaches, air and drinking water since the begining of the Industrial Revolution.

> Which is why violent crime is rocketing up then? Which is why the guy
> in charge of the police in this country says we're still not prepared
> for a terrorist attack? Okay.....

Would you rather a Tory Government, who'd take 1000 police officers off the streets?

Also, the BCS shows that overall crime is down 22% since 1997. There are also new anti-social behaviour acts, and new laws to tackle racism, and nuisance tenants, and noisy neighbours.

> What Tony has failed to mention is that the figures are heavily
> skewed - sure in London there are piles more police, in part down to
> increased presence of anti-terrorist police in the capital. Tony's
> including them as well you know...

Well the figures they give us, 129600 officers, goes way further than London. They include new officers in both England and Wales.

> As for it being society's fault, it is not. The fact is our criminal
> justice system, again increasingly so under Labour, punishes the
> victoms of crime and goes soft on the criminals. If the punishment
> for crimes were harsher and the police had greater powers then we
> wouldn't be in this mess.

Harsher punishment. Well, if that worked, there would be no murders in Texas. And we had capital punishment here, and people still committed crime. I'm studying Crime and Deviance in Sociology now, and i believe it is societies fault. By the way, didn't the cheif of police you quoted earlier also say he's 'Happy with the powers he has'?

> Society is a direct product of the
> government in power, in the same way that the government reflects
> society - kind of a circular thing.

So, why is their crime in counteries with little or no central Government?
Mon 22/03/04 at 18:58
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Every country that isn't the Confederacy of Waze or her ally.
Mon 22/03/04 at 18:55
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Skarra wrote:
> Standard of living: I live on a council estate in the West Midlands,
> its a lot nicer than it was 10 years ago.

You're probably in a minority then, the council estates around here are, well the police stopped walking them ages ago...

> Taxation: Not as bad as some other counteries. One country, i think
> its Switzerland, or Norway, or somewhere. Well, one counteries tax is
> at about 90%. Ours is a lot lower than that.

Er yeah, I'd be interested to see proof of that 90% taxation. Fact is, under labour especially, people are getting more and more money they have worked for taken from them for less return. Council tax around here is set to rise by 7.6% next time, which makes it about £110 a month for my parents, in return they get the bin emptied and that's about it.

> Crime: More police on the streets than ever before in History. Given
> the way society is going, the fact that crime is not as high as it
> could be, that isn't bad going. Sure, crime could be lower, but its
> more societys fault than the Government.

Which is why violent crime is rocketing up then? Which is why the guy in charge of the police in this country says we're still not prepared for a terrorist attack? Okay.....

What Tony has failed to mention is that the figures are heavily skewed - sure in London there are piles more police, in part down to increased presence of anti-terrorist police in the capital. Tony's including them as well you know...

As for it being society's fault, it is not. The fact is our criminal justice system, again increasingly so under Labour, punishes the victoms of crime and goes soft on the criminals. If the punishment for crimes were harsher and the police had greater powers then we wouldn't be in this mess. Society is a direct product of the government in power, in the same way that the government reflects society - kind of a circular thing.
Mon 22/03/04 at 18:49
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but they make great chocolate
Mon 22/03/04 at 18:43
"I love yo... lamp."
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Preston.

Failing that, Belgium. Maybe. Because its boring.
Mon 22/03/04 at 18:43
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FFF wrote:
> Okay. My opinion. I feel like a second class citizen living in
> England.
>
> That's how the Government have made me feel.

Why so?
Mon 22/03/04 at 18:43
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Stranger In Paradise wrote:
> Well here are three good reasons to start with;
>
> *standard of living
> *taxation
> *crime
>
> And don't forget house prices either...

Standard of living: I live on a council estate in the West Midlands, its a lot nicer than it was 10 years ago.

Taxation: Not as bad as some other counteries. One country, i think its Switzerland, or Norway, or somewhere. Well, one counteries tax is at about 90%. Ours is a lot lower than that.

Crime: More police on the streets than ever before in History. Given the way society is going, the fact that crime is not as high as it could be, that isn't bad going. Sure, crime could be lower, but its more societys fault than the Government.
Mon 22/03/04 at 18:33
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