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A few mixed emotions with Nintendo at the moment:
The Good:
A: Nintendo DS sells out in Europe, 500,000 consoles shipped!
B: PSP sales are down in Japan with new DS colours defeating them, PSP only selling half its shipment in America.
C: Resident Evil 4 charts at a respectible Number 5.
The Bad:
A: Worst march ever in America for Nintendo, hardware sales and software sales down. Due to stiff competiton.
B: Resident Evil 4 would have charted higher if Nintendo had decided to supply enough games. Selling out very quickly and then not renewing the demand! Dropped to number 19 in a week and then dropped out the charts, wouldn't have happened if Nintendo supplied the demand.
C: Exact same problem with the DS, Wario Ware Touched! STILL missing from most major retailers with Mario 64 DS just coming back into stock. DS is still selling out in places. Both a good AND bad thing.
So mixed emotions.
Oh and maybe, just maybe... I was right:
[URL]http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=35046&subsectionid=1587[/URL]
The Good:
A: Nintendo DS sells out in Europe, 500,000 consoles shipped!
B: PSP sales are down in Japan with new DS colours defeating them, PSP only selling half its shipment in America.
C: Resident Evil 4 charts at a respectible Number 5.
The Bad:
A: Worst march ever in America for Nintendo, hardware sales and software sales down. Due to stiff competiton.
B: Resident Evil 4 would have charted higher if Nintendo had decided to supply enough games. Selling out very quickly and then not renewing the demand! Dropped to number 19 in a week and then dropped out the charts, wouldn't have happened if Nintendo supplied the demand.
C: Exact same problem with the DS, Wario Ware Touched! STILL missing from most major retailers with Mario 64 DS just coming back into stock. DS is still selling out in places. Both a good AND bad thing.
So mixed emotions.
Oh and maybe, just maybe... I was right:
[URL]http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=35046&subsectionid=1587[/URL]
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Dringo wrote:
> But that's not Nintendo's market.
> Neither are the kids and neither are the hardcore. It is the
> non-gamers.
Welcome to business 101.
Come on, how stupid is this? Trying to sell games to non-gamers? Big market, that, isn't it. That's like trying to sell trousers to paraplegics.
> But that's not Nintendo's market.
> Neither are the kids and neither are the hardcore. It is the
> non-gamers.
Welcome to business 101.
Come on, how stupid is this? Trying to sell games to non-gamers? Big market, that, isn't it. That's like trying to sell trousers to paraplegics.
Dringo wrote:
> There are
> currently around 4.5-5 (rough calculation) DS's in circulation
> ALREADY since the console launch last year.
What poor bellhound has 0.5 of a DS?
> There are
> currently around 4.5-5 (rough calculation) DS's in circulation
> ALREADY since the console launch last year.
What poor bellhound has 0.5 of a DS?
I think that FF's idea is best.
If the screen can change shape a little to "make" buttons then it might just work. It could have analogue levels of touch sensitivity too.
If the screen can change shape a little to "make" buttons then it might just work. It could have analogue levels of touch sensitivity too.
Dringo wrote:
>
It is the
> non-gamers. Nintendo want to create a machine that will hopefully
> appease the current gaming market but introduce millions and millions
> of new gamers to the market. The concept behind Revolution is, like
> the DS, supposed to appeal to people who have never even considered a
> games console.
> We're not talking PS2 sales of 50,000 per month here, we're talking
> about I-pod sales of 500,00. That is what Nintendo are going for. A
> real MEGA amount of money.
But as I said before, Nintendo don't have the company image for that kind of market penetration. Think of Apple before the iPod; still regarded as stylish, cool etc. Buy a new revolutionary product from them, and there's recognition. That snowballs into sales.
With Nintendo, that image just isn't present. Nor is it enough to encourage first time console buyers on a massive scale - you say that gamers regard it as kiddy. But quite the opposite really; gamers who are informed about general goings on in the industry, are more likely to invest in Nintendo products.
It's non-gamers who see it as kiddy, and that doesn't bide well with the modern demographic audience that is increasing with age. Another words, they're more likely to support a brand such as Sony or Microsoft for their first console purchase - and while MS managed to substitute their lack of recognition and status in games for the current generation with outright marketing power, can you really see Nintendo doing the same?
And that just leaves us with the audience that Nintendo do seem to appeal to on a mass scale - children, pre-teens. And with that, we're back to square one.
>
But Revolution, well, that is when things could get
> really exciting.
Nice storyline ending there.
>
It is the
> non-gamers. Nintendo want to create a machine that will hopefully
> appease the current gaming market but introduce millions and millions
> of new gamers to the market. The concept behind Revolution is, like
> the DS, supposed to appeal to people who have never even considered a
> games console.
> We're not talking PS2 sales of 50,000 per month here, we're talking
> about I-pod sales of 500,00. That is what Nintendo are going for. A
> real MEGA amount of money.
But as I said before, Nintendo don't have the company image for that kind of market penetration. Think of Apple before the iPod; still regarded as stylish, cool etc. Buy a new revolutionary product from them, and there's recognition. That snowballs into sales.
With Nintendo, that image just isn't present. Nor is it enough to encourage first time console buyers on a massive scale - you say that gamers regard it as kiddy. But quite the opposite really; gamers who are informed about general goings on in the industry, are more likely to invest in Nintendo products.
It's non-gamers who see it as kiddy, and that doesn't bide well with the modern demographic audience that is increasing with age. Another words, they're more likely to support a brand such as Sony or Microsoft for their first console purchase - and while MS managed to substitute their lack of recognition and status in games for the current generation with outright marketing power, can you really see Nintendo doing the same?
And that just leaves us with the audience that Nintendo do seem to appeal to on a mass scale - children, pre-teens. And with that, we're back to square one.
>
But Revolution, well, that is when things could get
> really exciting.
Nice storyline ending there.
lcarus wrote:
> Wow, uber feisty. Like a vixen.
Oh I know :P
> Wow, uber feisty. Like a vixen.
Oh I know :P
lcarus wrote:
> Hmm, while it is interesting to see them *try* taking the indsutry
> "by storm" (iPod coloured DSs, heh), the DS sales peaked at
> the worst possible time - at launch. While landmark consoles like the
> PS, NES and GameBoy steadily rose over time, DS sales have seen no
> such revival since launch date. Merely that interest has faltered. I
> do hope Nintendo can keep banging out killer title after killer title
> for the Revolution; but if they follow DS policy as it is, they're not
> going to stand a chance against the other two, funky controllers or
> not.
Nintendo didn't expect a big launch, they expected popularity for the DS to grow slowly overtime and it will. The DS sales HAVE seens a revival since launch date with the release of the coloured DS and when Nintendogs is released expect another revival. There are currently around 4.5-5 (rough calculation) DS's in circulation ALREADY since the console launch last year. Nintendo software selling VERY highly on it. Nintendo must be laughing all the way to the bank. And there is still time for the online 3D Pokemon adventure!
Icarus you need to look past the industry as it is now. Imagine it TOTALLY different. Revolution might not appeal to "casual" gamers as people are commenting. But that's not Nintendo's market. Neither are the kids and neither are the hardcore. It is the non-gamers. Nintendo want to create a machine that will hopefully appease the current gaming market but introduce millions and millions of new gamers to the market. The concept behind Revolution is, like the DS, supposed to appeal to people who have never even considered a games console.
We're not talking PS2 sales of 50,000 per month here, we're talking about I-pod sales of 500,00. That is what Nintendo are going for. A real MEGA amount of money. Nintendo appear "kiddy" to current gamers, those not into gaming no VERY little about the company. Sure maybe they've heard of Mario or seen Pokemon but that doesn't mean they have the pre-conception casual gamers have of the company.
Nintendo aren't just trying to re-build their empire here, but the gaming empire and the gamers as a whole. It is far bigger than self saving here, it is creating a product that can be as big as the I-pod. The DS looks credible to maybe reach a stage that increases the gaming population, with a great line up, Christmas sales could sky rocket. But Revolution, well, that is when things could get really exciting.
> Hmm, while it is interesting to see them *try* taking the indsutry
> "by storm" (iPod coloured DSs, heh), the DS sales peaked at
> the worst possible time - at launch. While landmark consoles like the
> PS, NES and GameBoy steadily rose over time, DS sales have seen no
> such revival since launch date. Merely that interest has faltered. I
> do hope Nintendo can keep banging out killer title after killer title
> for the Revolution; but if they follow DS policy as it is, they're not
> going to stand a chance against the other two, funky controllers or
> not.
Nintendo didn't expect a big launch, they expected popularity for the DS to grow slowly overtime and it will. The DS sales HAVE seens a revival since launch date with the release of the coloured DS and when Nintendogs is released expect another revival. There are currently around 4.5-5 (rough calculation) DS's in circulation ALREADY since the console launch last year. Nintendo software selling VERY highly on it. Nintendo must be laughing all the way to the bank. And there is still time for the online 3D Pokemon adventure!
Icarus you need to look past the industry as it is now. Imagine it TOTALLY different. Revolution might not appeal to "casual" gamers as people are commenting. But that's not Nintendo's market. Neither are the kids and neither are the hardcore. It is the non-gamers. Nintendo want to create a machine that will hopefully appease the current gaming market but introduce millions and millions of new gamers to the market. The concept behind Revolution is, like the DS, supposed to appeal to people who have never even considered a games console.
We're not talking PS2 sales of 50,000 per month here, we're talking about I-pod sales of 500,00. That is what Nintendo are going for. A real MEGA amount of money. Nintendo appear "kiddy" to current gamers, those not into gaming no VERY little about the company. Sure maybe they've heard of Mario or seen Pokemon but that doesn't mean they have the pre-conception casual gamers have of the company.
Nintendo aren't just trying to re-build their empire here, but the gaming empire and the gamers as a whole. It is far bigger than self saving here, it is creating a product that can be as big as the I-pod. The DS looks credible to maybe reach a stage that increases the gaming population, with a great line up, Christmas sales could sky rocket. But Revolution, well, that is when things could get really exciting.
Wow, uber feisty. Like a vixen.
lcarus wrote:
> Dringo wrote:
> Shut up Memo.
>
> He has a valid point, and as such should be answered appropriately.
> It is too soon to say whether it is a novelty or not.
With what? "Okay technically you were right but what I mean is that the DS's capabilities are gonna be shown off to a better extent further in the future so there is depth to the console than what is immediatly avalible"
That novalty is the wrong word to use.
Woop dee doo I don't care for pedants so shut up.
> Dringo wrote:
> Shut up Memo.
>
> He has a valid point, and as such should be answered appropriately.
> It is too soon to say whether it is a novelty or not.
With what? "Okay technically you were right but what I mean is that the DS's capabilities are gonna be shown off to a better extent further in the future so there is depth to the console than what is immediatly avalible"
That novalty is the wrong word to use.
Woop dee doo I don't care for pedants so shut up.
But Dringo is handicapped by being blinded by his love for Nintendo so you have to give him a point headstart to make things fair.
nash 1 - 0 dringo
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