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Er some of you may remember me from when the nintendo forums were young and i was a persistent crusader in the cause of the N64, i must confess i am more than a little disappointed with some of the flagship offerings of the gamecube. Whilst i appreciate that other games consoles eg the PS2 already have extremely low levels of actual quality established games, i am pretty disappointed in general with this generation of consoles.
When the N64 was out there wasn't huge amounts of games, but what was there was pure quality:
Goldeneye, perfect dark, Mario kart, mario, Zelda, zelda 2, Smash brothers, snowboard kids, Banjo kazooie, f-zero x, diddy kong, to name a few of the best, even the games like Donkey Kong which didn't quite live up to expectations were still excellent games. The games had pretty much a perfect balance between skill and playability combined with top console graphics for the time.
Where did it all go wrong in the transition to the gamecube, When i bought any of those previous titles i felt like i got full value for my my money and don't regret buying any of them. However out of the Games i've bought on the gamecube and i have pretty much all the big titles, only timesplitters 2 has felt anywhere near value for money.
Mario Sunshine: was a huge step back from 64, everything is just far more simple, they have just scaled everything up and added some pretty colours yet preetty much neglected anything even resembling a challenge in favour of some stupid backpacks and cleaning up some paint, such a disappointment.
Mario Kart: This has had the biggest fall from grace ever out of anygame i have ever played, We play it a lot but only in 4 player were it is fun only in the sense of competition and the general banter in the room rather than the actual gameplay. Again everything is scaled up and simplified, It is made for a retard to pick up a controller and be able to win in multiplayer, gone are the days when skill wins the race. Who remembers when the talented players hardly ever fell off? used the items in just the right places, where the ones who could do the jump on the beach pretty much every time. Now it: "ooh look a ridiculous item ill jump from half a lap behind having fallen in the water 19 times to win the race" bloody disappointing.
Smash Brothers: Don't even get me started on smash brothers, the game which symbolised playability, frantic pace and quality game play, has yet again been butchered, we are talking a game which i probably a week's multiplayer play time on at least. And it has been massacred what have you done to it, i ask you nintendo. What did it do to deserve to be massacred in to a gay pokemon fest with stupid moving platforms and over exaggerated items and stupid stages, which are often so large of changing so quickly that it just ruins the game.
Zelda: Cell-shading and over simplifying, are nintendo's vices here, again it is far simpler than the original, the graphics look like a two year olds picture book, the storyline sucks and it leaves you cring thinking that this is the successor to ocarina of time (the second best game ever given to man).
F-zero x- I have not bought this yet, i am to afraid to buy it, after the massacring of the previous titles this is the one ray of hope left in this bleak nintendo world. With out hope, there is nothing.
Nintendo go back to the good old days, stop trying to be cool with your cell shading and poke-fests. Give us quality and challenging workmanship, I don't particularly care if the graphics are only n64 standard, i want games that i can actually get into and enjoy, rather than an oversimplified colourful mess.
When the N64 was out there wasn't huge amounts of games, but what was there was pure quality:
Goldeneye, perfect dark, Mario kart, mario, Zelda, zelda 2, Smash brothers, snowboard kids, Banjo kazooie, f-zero x, diddy kong, to name a few of the best, even the games like Donkey Kong which didn't quite live up to expectations were still excellent games. The games had pretty much a perfect balance between skill and playability combined with top console graphics for the time.
Where did it all go wrong in the transition to the gamecube, When i bought any of those previous titles i felt like i got full value for my my money and don't regret buying any of them. However out of the Games i've bought on the gamecube and i have pretty much all the big titles, only timesplitters 2 has felt anywhere near value for money.
Mario Sunshine: was a huge step back from 64, everything is just far more simple, they have just scaled everything up and added some pretty colours yet preetty much neglected anything even resembling a challenge in favour of some stupid backpacks and cleaning up some paint, such a disappointment.
Mario Kart: This has had the biggest fall from grace ever out of anygame i have ever played, We play it a lot but only in 4 player were it is fun only in the sense of competition and the general banter in the room rather than the actual gameplay. Again everything is scaled up and simplified, It is made for a retard to pick up a controller and be able to win in multiplayer, gone are the days when skill wins the race. Who remembers when the talented players hardly ever fell off? used the items in just the right places, where the ones who could do the jump on the beach pretty much every time. Now it: "ooh look a ridiculous item ill jump from half a lap behind having fallen in the water 19 times to win the race" bloody disappointing.
Smash Brothers: Don't even get me started on smash brothers, the game which symbolised playability, frantic pace and quality game play, has yet again been butchered, we are talking a game which i probably a week's multiplayer play time on at least. And it has been massacred what have you done to it, i ask you nintendo. What did it do to deserve to be massacred in to a gay pokemon fest with stupid moving platforms and over exaggerated items and stupid stages, which are often so large of changing so quickly that it just ruins the game.
Zelda: Cell-shading and over simplifying, are nintendo's vices here, again it is far simpler than the original, the graphics look like a two year olds picture book, the storyline sucks and it leaves you cring thinking that this is the successor to ocarina of time (the second best game ever given to man).
F-zero x- I have not bought this yet, i am to afraid to buy it, after the massacring of the previous titles this is the one ray of hope left in this bleak nintendo world. With out hope, there is nothing.
Nintendo go back to the good old days, stop trying to be cool with your cell shading and poke-fests. Give us quality and challenging workmanship, I don't particularly care if the graphics are only n64 standard, i want games that i can actually get into and enjoy, rather than an oversimplified colourful mess.
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Oh and Kart 64 was slow unresponsive guff, plain and simple ... its completely outclassed by a much snazzier sequel.
Is cel shading REALLY all that bad? Its like saying that Manga is all kids stuff because its portrayed in the same presentation of a cartoon...
ÂLŠ†ÂÎR wrote:
> May I award you the A grade ass award.
>
> Zelda cel shading looks like its been done by a 2 year old? I suppose
> you feel the same about Viewtiful Joe? Zelda is graphically up there
> with the best of the best. Sublime artistic direction, brilliant
> particle effects, great character design and some truly awesome and
> expansive gaming environments. I won't go into the rest but I had to
> pick up on this stupid comment.
Zelda does indeed have the finest graphics I've come across ever. The cartoon style of the game just adds to the feel and are generally jaw dropping. Nintendo stuck out some original pictures of Zelda, pre-the cel shading idea, and they were nowhere NEAR the quality of what we have now. It was basically Ocarina of Time models with a beefed up polygon and palette count. They appear to look simpler now, but the actual flow of animation and the entire style is lightyears ahead of what Ocarina did. Admittedly, there ARE fewer dungeons, I would like Nintendo to perhaps stick some more puzzlicious bits in for the next installment.
I did enjoy the storyline, it actually did well to finally progress onwards from the same old story that is recycled over and over again from the olden days. PLUS it was nice to follow a different path for once. It was just a nice breath of fresh air from the usual 'tramping round Hyrule to rescue Zelda' formula.
> May I award you the A grade ass award.
>
> Zelda cel shading looks like its been done by a 2 year old? I suppose
> you feel the same about Viewtiful Joe? Zelda is graphically up there
> with the best of the best. Sublime artistic direction, brilliant
> particle effects, great character design and some truly awesome and
> expansive gaming environments. I won't go into the rest but I had to
> pick up on this stupid comment.
Zelda does indeed have the finest graphics I've come across ever. The cartoon style of the game just adds to the feel and are generally jaw dropping. Nintendo stuck out some original pictures of Zelda, pre-the cel shading idea, and they were nowhere NEAR the quality of what we have now. It was basically Ocarina of Time models with a beefed up polygon and palette count. They appear to look simpler now, but the actual flow of animation and the entire style is lightyears ahead of what Ocarina did. Admittedly, there ARE fewer dungeons, I would like Nintendo to perhaps stick some more puzzlicious bits in for the next installment.
I did enjoy the storyline, it actually did well to finally progress onwards from the same old story that is recycled over and over again from the olden days. PLUS it was nice to follow a different path for once. It was just a nice breath of fresh air from the usual 'tramping round Hyrule to rescue Zelda' formula.
Haven't we heard this all before?
Sure, WW and co might not be as utterly astounding as their N64 counterparts. But, they are smoother, more innovative, far more aestheticly pleasing, and if you play both side by side, the newer games are better. Sure, not as revolutionary, but better. Metroid Prime is quite simply the best game ever. And it's on Cube.
And, the Cube has others. Viewtiful Joe, Eternal Darkness, the astounding Resi titles (well, the re-made one/Zero/4 etc) and plenty of other excellent titles.
Let's just say this. The Xbox is a great console, KOTOR is sublime, utterly brilliant piece of genius.
But I still play my Cube even when I have the Xbox, which to me is newer and has many more unplayed games for me to trawl through, because it's such a fantastic console.
I await CDSII 4-player to reinforce that opinion.
Sure, WW and co might not be as utterly astounding as their N64 counterparts. But, they are smoother, more innovative, far more aestheticly pleasing, and if you play both side by side, the newer games are better. Sure, not as revolutionary, but better. Metroid Prime is quite simply the best game ever. And it's on Cube.
And, the Cube has others. Viewtiful Joe, Eternal Darkness, the astounding Resi titles (well, the re-made one/Zero/4 etc) and plenty of other excellent titles.
Let's just say this. The Xbox is a great console, KOTOR is sublime, utterly brilliant piece of genius.
But I still play my Cube even when I have the Xbox, which to me is newer and has many more unplayed games for me to trawl through, because it's such a fantastic console.
I await CDSII 4-player to reinforce that opinion.
Still can't imagine why you don't like Smash Bros.
They changed very little in terms of game play, all they really did to it was make it a much bigger game. More characters, more weapons, more levels, better graphics etc etc.
The basics of the N64 game are all still there and it plays almost identically to the original. All the changes they made were for the better.
They changed very little in terms of game play, all they really did to it was make it a much bigger game. More characters, more weapons, more levels, better graphics etc etc.
The basics of the N64 game are all still there and it plays almost identically to the original. All the changes they made were for the better.
Mario Kart was great, Zelda was great, Sunshine was great and Smash Bros. was great. Sure, Zelda and Mario Sunshien weren't as good as 64 and OOT, but you must understand, they are two of the best games ever made; making better games than them isn't an easy task.
As for Smash Bros. Melee, well say that's a bad game is just plain stupid. Did you actually play it, or just look at it? It still remaisn to be one of the most consuming games on the Cube, yes, perhaps a little hsallow in places, but it's good, clean and simple fun that everyone can enjoy. I suggest you go back to it, play and have a good laugh instead of being a fool.
As for F-Zero GX, that was made by SEGA. So if there really is something wrong with Nintendo, this should be great. And it is. Not as good as the other Triple A titles mentioned but it's still good.
As for Smash Bros. Melee, well say that's a bad game is just plain stupid. Did you actually play it, or just look at it? It still remaisn to be one of the most consuming games on the Cube, yes, perhaps a little hsallow in places, but it's good, clean and simple fun that everyone can enjoy. I suggest you go back to it, play and have a good laugh instead of being a fool.
As for F-Zero GX, that was made by SEGA. So if there really is something wrong with Nintendo, this should be great. And it is. Not as good as the other Triple A titles mentioned but it's still good.
The graphics were perfectly fine in the old one, there was absolutely no need for a change, all they need to do was just make a couple of new games and sharpen them up a bit with a few new textures. I got it with the bonus disc and i have played both on the same day, and the first one looks about 3 years more advanced and plays a hell of a lot better.
I hope what you say about f zero is true i might have to rent it or borrow it and see how it plays as i'm not really prepared to gamble £40 after the previou disapointments.
I hope what you say about f zero is true i might have to rent it or borrow it and see how it plays as i'm not really prepared to gamble £40 after the previou disapointments.
I agree with a fair bit of it. It isn't that the games are bad, they just don't seem to be up to the usual Nintendo standards. It all feels a bit stale to me, apart from F Zero GX, which ironically is a Sega developed game. Best game on the cube as far as I am concerned.
I also loathed WW graphics. They look too kiddyish. To attract older gamers they should have made them more Final Fantasyish. Sort of realistic, but not if you know what I mean.
Ach well, hopefully the follow ups will be better.
I also loathed WW graphics. They look too kiddyish. To attract older gamers they should have made them more Final Fantasyish. Sort of realistic, but not if you know what I mean.
Ach well, hopefully the follow ups will be better.
I have Legends for the Cube although I have been interested in Grandia for the Dreamcast for a while now. They don't go for that much on eBay and there are a couple on there at the moment.
I've not played it. The only game like that, that I've liked was Grandia 2.
If you have it for Dreamcast I will buy it.
If you have it for Dreamcast I will buy it.
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