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This post will be a list of questions with a few things stuck on here and there with double-sided sticky tape to bulk it out a bit.
So it’s a nice simple thread really. The police, what are your views on them, what do you all perceive the job of a police officer to encompass? What experiences and or dealings have you had with them and how have they left you feeling? But I would also like to know what your perceptions are on the different reactions the police receive from the public and any reasons for them.
I am very young in my service and have really only had a minuet taster of all things baton and cuff orientated. Before joining, during the whole application and indeed parts of the actual training I was as ignorant and blind to what the job really is, like most of the general public. I thought the job of a policeman was to be out there protecting the public and catching the bad guys. Having been in for half a year now, I can tell you this is our job, but only a part of it.
I can’t talk for every force, because each is different in the way that they operate due to the fact that they each have their own issues to tackle, but our force as a very proactive force. Of course we still have to be reactive, reacting to whatever the baddies get up to each day, but we also operate in a highly visible manner. Whenever we can we are out patrolling the streets in our incredibly stylish hi-vis jackets, (we’re not all fat by the way, it’s body amour under there). This part of policing I enjoy, I walk the city centre talking to the public, which can be very satisfying as some of the public will talk to you and tell you how nice it is to see the police out and about. I’m a friendly policeman, I will give you directions if you ask me nicely, I will even have my picture taken with you and talk about your cat if you so wish, it’s called building community relations.
However there are of course certain members of the public that no matter how polite you are to them, and despite the fact that you’re trying to help them will treat you like crap. I’m just wondering what mindset it is that causes this level of hatred and animosity towards the police? It’s not all down to previous dealings; some of this is just in-built for seemingly no reason.
Some guy parking in a disabled bay because he doesn’t want to pay for parking or walk from the car park. Politely pointing the offence out to him and telling him that he could be liable for a £30 ticket if he leaves his car there but that I wouldn’t give him one if he would move it, only to be greeted by, “oh for Gods sake, don’t you have anything better to do?”
Another time with the same situation the lady simply said it was because she had, had an operation on her leg so can’t walk far and she just needed to return an ironing board to a shop. She apologised and even said she would accept a ticket. A reasonable person giving me a reasonable reason, so I even offered to carry the item for her.
What causes the different levels of respect shown towards the uniform?
It just amazes me sometimes. One drunk trying to climb into his own shoe in a shop doorway will show you nothing but respect when you enquire about his welfare, another will tell you to “fark orf!” saying, “do you know who my dad is?” No sir, I don’t, have you tried asking your mother?
I’m rambling a little now, so I will stop and let you get on with answering my questions as best as you can.
“I pay your wages!”
Really sir, can I have a raise then please.
So it’s a nice simple thread really. The police, what are your views on them, what do you all perceive the job of a police officer to encompass? What experiences and or dealings have you had with them and how have they left you feeling? But I would also like to know what your perceptions are on the different reactions the police receive from the public and any reasons for them.
I am very young in my service and have really only had a minuet taster of all things baton and cuff orientated. Before joining, during the whole application and indeed parts of the actual training I was as ignorant and blind to what the job really is, like most of the general public. I thought the job of a policeman was to be out there protecting the public and catching the bad guys. Having been in for half a year now, I can tell you this is our job, but only a part of it.
I can’t talk for every force, because each is different in the way that they operate due to the fact that they each have their own issues to tackle, but our force as a very proactive force. Of course we still have to be reactive, reacting to whatever the baddies get up to each day, but we also operate in a highly visible manner. Whenever we can we are out patrolling the streets in our incredibly stylish hi-vis jackets, (we’re not all fat by the way, it’s body amour under there). This part of policing I enjoy, I walk the city centre talking to the public, which can be very satisfying as some of the public will talk to you and tell you how nice it is to see the police out and about. I’m a friendly policeman, I will give you directions if you ask me nicely, I will even have my picture taken with you and talk about your cat if you so wish, it’s called building community relations.
However there are of course certain members of the public that no matter how polite you are to them, and despite the fact that you’re trying to help them will treat you like crap. I’m just wondering what mindset it is that causes this level of hatred and animosity towards the police? It’s not all down to previous dealings; some of this is just in-built for seemingly no reason.
Some guy parking in a disabled bay because he doesn’t want to pay for parking or walk from the car park. Politely pointing the offence out to him and telling him that he could be liable for a £30 ticket if he leaves his car there but that I wouldn’t give him one if he would move it, only to be greeted by, “oh for Gods sake, don’t you have anything better to do?”
Another time with the same situation the lady simply said it was because she had, had an operation on her leg so can’t walk far and she just needed to return an ironing board to a shop. She apologised and even said she would accept a ticket. A reasonable person giving me a reasonable reason, so I even offered to carry the item for her.
What causes the different levels of respect shown towards the uniform?
It just amazes me sometimes. One drunk trying to climb into his own shoe in a shop doorway will show you nothing but respect when you enquire about his welfare, another will tell you to “fark orf!” saying, “do you know who my dad is?” No sir, I don’t, have you tried asking your mother?
I’m rambling a little now, so I will stop and let you get on with answering my questions as best as you can.
“I pay your wages!”
Really sir, can I have a raise then please.
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I've got to say that, as much as I recognise the importance of a Police force, I've never had a good experience with them. Window smashed? Someone wandering up and down the street with a baseball bat? Fights in the street? Just a few incidents that me and family members have been victims of/witness to, and the Police "force" failed to turn up to any of them. Oh, I lie. When my girlfriend's window was smashed by some kids that we went and found ourselves, they turned up the next day. And when I say kids, I mean about 11-12 years old - there was nothing we could do to exact revenge, because then we would have been the criminals! Gave the Police their names, but nothing ever came of it, even though we pursued them. Waste of time.
I'm sure English_bloke does a good job though.
I'm sure English_bloke does a good job though.
At the risk of causing poor Bell to have an aneurysm, I'm extremely pro-police. Most of my family are in or have been in the Police, so I'm well disposed towards 'em. And I find that helps in my dealings with policemen; I'm always polite and respectful, and that courtesy is always returned. Like in any job, there are some total 'tards and they're the ones that tend to stick in people's minds alas. But as a whole, I think the force do a good job under difficult circumstances. Pity about the extraordinarily corrupt senior officers too, but one can't have everything in life...
"I have power, power, which could be abused and I’m sure has been many a time before"
Think you could get free beers at Moe's?
Think you could get free beers at Moe's?
RoJ wrote:
> Where I live (Northern Ireland) about 90% of people either hate the
> Police or have no respect for them.
I think you're majorly over-estimating that number there, as someone else from N. Ireland. In certain areas, no doubt; but generally it would be an awful lot less.
I think the general problem with the police is that there isn't tight enough regulation, their role in the criminal justice system as a whole isn't defined with sufficient clarity and the punishment for breaches of the guidelines that do govern their operations place the penalties in the wrong place. The type of controversies that came out in the late 70s and 80s may now be outlawed, but there are still highly formal ways for the police to manipulate the system at any level; most obviously in the gathering of evidence and their role in the choice to prosecute.
But at the risk of going into a Criminal Process essay, I'll stop now.
No wait......
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> Where I live (Northern Ireland) about 90% of people either hate the
> Police or have no respect for them.
I think you're majorly over-estimating that number there, as someone else from N. Ireland. In certain areas, no doubt; but generally it would be an awful lot less.
I think the general problem with the police is that there isn't tight enough regulation, their role in the criminal justice system as a whole isn't defined with sufficient clarity and the punishment for breaches of the guidelines that do govern their operations place the penalties in the wrong place. The type of controversies that came out in the late 70s and 80s may now be outlawed, but there are still highly formal ways for the police to manipulate the system at any level; most obviously in the gathering of evidence and their role in the choice to prosecute.
But at the risk of going into a Criminal Process essay, I'll stop now.
No wait......
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... now.
Goatboy wrote:
> It's that "then you will listen to me" that makes me snort
> with derision.
> You're a policeman, it's a job. I do not break the law, therefore you
> are redunant in my world.
Which is just what my post was saying...I think.
I am redundant to you in a way, currently redundant. But I may become necessary to you some day, (not me obviously, but, you know?)
> It's that "then you will listen to me" that makes me snort
> with derision.
> You're a policeman, it's a job. I do not break the law, therefore you
> are redunant in my world.
Which is just what my post was saying...I think.
I am redundant to you in a way, currently redundant. But I may become necessary to you some day, (not me obviously, but, you know?)
English_Bloke wrote:
But this power,
> if used correctly simply means I have no power over you unless you
> are doing something wrong, and if you are, then you will listen to
> me.
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If I'm in the wrong, I'll take my medicine.
However, I will calmly and politely stand firm and point out your error if I believe there is one.
Not angrily, not shouting, not being rude.
If I'm in the wrong, yep.
If I've done nothing wrong, I'll happily listen and consider the situation. Then I'll make sure, if it warrants it, that I take the officer involved and whichever constabulary through the complaints procedure until I reach a satisfactory outcome.
It's that "then you will listen to me" that makes me snort with derision.
You're a policeman, it's a job. I do not break the law, therefore you are redunant in my world.
But this power,
> if used correctly simply means I have no power over you unless you
> are doing something wrong, and if you are, then you will listen to
> me.
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If I'm in the wrong, I'll take my medicine.
However, I will calmly and politely stand firm and point out your error if I believe there is one.
Not angrily, not shouting, not being rude.
If I'm in the wrong, yep.
If I've done nothing wrong, I'll happily listen and consider the situation. Then I'll make sure, if it warrants it, that I take the officer involved and whichever constabulary through the complaints procedure until I reach a satisfactory outcome.
It's that "then you will listen to me" that makes me snort with derision.
You're a policeman, it's a job. I do not break the law, therefore you are redunant in my world.
One thing that I have noticed though, our “regulars” are actually some of the most polite people towards us. Oh sure they are burgling little scum-bags, but when you’ve “got” them, they are quite courteous towards us, as long as you treat them in a ok manner.
They seem to understand that we are just doing a job and that they are in the wrong.
The people that get “arsey” with us are usually the people that commit minor offences, parking, speeding and such. These are usually the people that will complain, challenge you, argue and end up getting themselves into more trouble.
I’m a copper; this doesn’t make me better then you, your bird or your postman. It does however mean that I have power, power, which could be abused and I’m sure has been many a time before. But this power, if used correctly simply means I have no power over you unless you are doing something wrong, and if you are, then you will listen to me.
They seem to understand that we are just doing a job and that they are in the wrong.
The people that get “arsey” with us are usually the people that commit minor offences, parking, speeding and such. These are usually the people that will complain, challenge you, argue and end up getting themselves into more trouble.
I’m a copper; this doesn’t make me better then you, your bird or your postman. It does however mean that I have power, power, which could be abused and I’m sure has been many a time before. But this power, if used correctly simply means I have no power over you unless you are doing something wrong, and if you are, then you will listen to me.
English_Bloke wrote:
> Whereas if you've had bad
> dealings you will go shouting it from the rooftops and inform
> everyone that enquires as to how you are.
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Possibly, but personally I only give my opinion on the police when asked. The rest of the time, I don't have one. They are needed, they do good work and I'd hope 9/10 they receive co-operation.
I'm never willfully unhelpful or rude to a police officer, that serves no purpose. However, just because somebody is in a uniform that does not give him/her the right to attempt to be superior, and I have no compunction about saying so to their faces.
Calmly and politely, but certainly to make them aware they are not above reproach.
> Whereas if you've had bad
> dealings you will go shouting it from the rooftops and inform
> everyone that enquires as to how you are.
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Possibly, but personally I only give my opinion on the police when asked. The rest of the time, I don't have one. They are needed, they do good work and I'd hope 9/10 they receive co-operation.
I'm never willfully unhelpful or rude to a police officer, that serves no purpose. However, just because somebody is in a uniform that does not give him/her the right to attempt to be superior, and I have no compunction about saying so to their faces.
Calmly and politely, but certainly to make them aware they are not above reproach.
Security guards are crap
The ones in our hospital sit in an office and dont help when our shop when a thief legs it out the hospital past their office even though I'm shouting after them.
And one through me out a shopping mall for standing... seriosuly I was standing and he told me to get out and wouldn't let me back in. I was 16, I gave him one hell of a talk got his boss and got an apology.
Knobheads
The ones in our hospital sit in an office and dont help when our shop when a thief legs it out the hospital past their office even though I'm shouting after them.
And one through me out a shopping mall for standing... seriosuly I was standing and he told me to get out and wouldn't let me back in. I was 16, I gave him one hell of a talk got his boss and got an apology.
Knobheads
The main difference is, as I think I've said somewhere else in this thread, if you've had good dealings you will think, "hmm, that was good, now what's for tea?" Whereas if you've had bad dealings you will go shouting it from the rooftops and inform everyone that enquires as to how you are.
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