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This post will be a list of questions with a few things stuck on here and there with double-sided sticky tape to bulk it out a bit.
So it’s a nice simple thread really. The police, what are your views on them, what do you all perceive the job of a police officer to encompass? What experiences and or dealings have you had with them and how have they left you feeling? But I would also like to know what your perceptions are on the different reactions the police receive from the public and any reasons for them.
I am very young in my service and have really only had a minuet taster of all things baton and cuff orientated. Before joining, during the whole application and indeed parts of the actual training I was as ignorant and blind to what the job really is, like most of the general public. I thought the job of a policeman was to be out there protecting the public and catching the bad guys. Having been in for half a year now, I can tell you this is our job, but only a part of it.
I can’t talk for every force, because each is different in the way that they operate due to the fact that they each have their own issues to tackle, but our force as a very proactive force. Of course we still have to be reactive, reacting to whatever the baddies get up to each day, but we also operate in a highly visible manner. Whenever we can we are out patrolling the streets in our incredibly stylish hi-vis jackets, (we’re not all fat by the way, it’s body amour under there). This part of policing I enjoy, I walk the city centre talking to the public, which can be very satisfying as some of the public will talk to you and tell you how nice it is to see the police out and about. I’m a friendly policeman, I will give you directions if you ask me nicely, I will even have my picture taken with you and talk about your cat if you so wish, it’s called building community relations.
However there are of course certain members of the public that no matter how polite you are to them, and despite the fact that you’re trying to help them will treat you like crap. I’m just wondering what mindset it is that causes this level of hatred and animosity towards the police? It’s not all down to previous dealings; some of this is just in-built for seemingly no reason.
Some guy parking in a disabled bay because he doesn’t want to pay for parking or walk from the car park. Politely pointing the offence out to him and telling him that he could be liable for a £30 ticket if he leaves his car there but that I wouldn’t give him one if he would move it, only to be greeted by, “oh for Gods sake, don’t you have anything better to do?”
Another time with the same situation the lady simply said it was because she had, had an operation on her leg so can’t walk far and she just needed to return an ironing board to a shop. She apologised and even said she would accept a ticket. A reasonable person giving me a reasonable reason, so I even offered to carry the item for her.
What causes the different levels of respect shown towards the uniform?
It just amazes me sometimes. One drunk trying to climb into his own shoe in a shop doorway will show you nothing but respect when you enquire about his welfare, another will tell you to “fark orf!” saying, “do you know who my dad is?” No sir, I don’t, have you tried asking your mother?
I’m rambling a little now, so I will stop and let you get on with answering my questions as best as you can.
“I pay your wages!”
Really sir, can I have a raise then please.
So it’s a nice simple thread really. The police, what are your views on them, what do you all perceive the job of a police officer to encompass? What experiences and or dealings have you had with them and how have they left you feeling? But I would also like to know what your perceptions are on the different reactions the police receive from the public and any reasons for them.
I am very young in my service and have really only had a minuet taster of all things baton and cuff orientated. Before joining, during the whole application and indeed parts of the actual training I was as ignorant and blind to what the job really is, like most of the general public. I thought the job of a policeman was to be out there protecting the public and catching the bad guys. Having been in for half a year now, I can tell you this is our job, but only a part of it.
I can’t talk for every force, because each is different in the way that they operate due to the fact that they each have their own issues to tackle, but our force as a very proactive force. Of course we still have to be reactive, reacting to whatever the baddies get up to each day, but we also operate in a highly visible manner. Whenever we can we are out patrolling the streets in our incredibly stylish hi-vis jackets, (we’re not all fat by the way, it’s body amour under there). This part of policing I enjoy, I walk the city centre talking to the public, which can be very satisfying as some of the public will talk to you and tell you how nice it is to see the police out and about. I’m a friendly policeman, I will give you directions if you ask me nicely, I will even have my picture taken with you and talk about your cat if you so wish, it’s called building community relations.
However there are of course certain members of the public that no matter how polite you are to them, and despite the fact that you’re trying to help them will treat you like crap. I’m just wondering what mindset it is that causes this level of hatred and animosity towards the police? It’s not all down to previous dealings; some of this is just in-built for seemingly no reason.
Some guy parking in a disabled bay because he doesn’t want to pay for parking or walk from the car park. Politely pointing the offence out to him and telling him that he could be liable for a £30 ticket if he leaves his car there but that I wouldn’t give him one if he would move it, only to be greeted by, “oh for Gods sake, don’t you have anything better to do?”
Another time with the same situation the lady simply said it was because she had, had an operation on her leg so can’t walk far and she just needed to return an ironing board to a shop. She apologised and even said she would accept a ticket. A reasonable person giving me a reasonable reason, so I even offered to carry the item for her.
What causes the different levels of respect shown towards the uniform?
It just amazes me sometimes. One drunk trying to climb into his own shoe in a shop doorway will show you nothing but respect when you enquire about his welfare, another will tell you to “fark orf!” saying, “do you know who my dad is?” No sir, I don’t, have you tried asking your mother?
I’m rambling a little now, so I will stop and let you get on with answering my questions as best as you can.
“I pay your wages!”
Really sir, can I have a raise then please.
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Gaddafi Duck wrote:
> Another question:
>
> What about eyesight?
>
> Is there a quality of vision restriction? If so what is it?
Yes there is, but it's not too bad. Unless you're really bad you will be ok. Some coppers wear glasses and all that, but you may not be able to be a driver or join firearms.
> Another question:
>
> What about eyesight?
>
> Is there a quality of vision restriction? If so what is it?
Yes there is, but it's not too bad. Unless you're really bad you will be ok. Some coppers wear glasses and all that, but you may not be able to be a driver or join firearms.
Cubist V.2 wrote:
> Quick question for E_B: As I'm pretty sure I told you in another
> thread of mine I am considering a career in the police force myself
> once I am old enough which I believe is 18 and a half no? Anyway that
> wasn't the real question. The real question is you know how you said
> they police give you training? Well how much of that training is
> physical? I know you have to pass fitness tests but I was wondering
> if you got given any help to pass them? I don't know what answer I am
> expecting but just thought I'd ask multiple questions to try and get
> an answer to that main one heh. Answer whenever, thanks :D
Nope, you do it all off your own back. But it's really easy, so don't worry about the fitness side of the force.
> Quick question for E_B: As I'm pretty sure I told you in another
> thread of mine I am considering a career in the police force myself
> once I am old enough which I believe is 18 and a half no? Anyway that
> wasn't the real question. The real question is you know how you said
> they police give you training? Well how much of that training is
> physical? I know you have to pass fitness tests but I was wondering
> if you got given any help to pass them? I don't know what answer I am
> expecting but just thought I'd ask multiple questions to try and get
> an answer to that main one heh. Answer whenever, thanks :D
Nope, you do it all off your own back. But it's really easy, so don't worry about the fitness side of the force.
Insane Bartender wrote:
> The problem I have with the police is a that they are human.
> Therefore, regardless of how much they may try to act without
> discrimination of any kind, their personal views and opinions will
> inevitably worm their way iinto their work. Further, policing is a
> career, a career that adheres to a system, and it is inevitable that
> many police employees will act more to further their careers than to
> bring about justice.
>
> I look forward to the days of batman and his army of law-enforcing
> droids.
That is one of the best posts I've read in a long time.
> The problem I have with the police is a that they are human.
> Therefore, regardless of how much they may try to act without
> discrimination of any kind, their personal views and opinions will
> inevitably worm their way iinto their work. Further, policing is a
> career, a career that adheres to a system, and it is inevitable that
> many police employees will act more to further their careers than to
> bring about justice.
>
> I look forward to the days of batman and his army of law-enforcing
> droids.
That is one of the best posts I've read in a long time.
"However there are of course certain members of the public that no matter how polite you are to them, and despite the fact that you’re trying to help them will treat you like crap. I’m just wondering what mindset it is that causes this level of hatred and animosity towards the police? It’s not all down to previous dealings; some of this is just in-built for seemingly no reason."
I work for the Inland Revenue. Those words instantly cause people to think "taxes". Working there last year and again this year, despite the fact that my job is to HELP these people get their benefits, many are extremely rude. Past dealings/problems, or just an ignorance about something they don't understand - either way, we take a fair bit of flak on the phone, so I know what you're feeling.
My own opinions of the police? How can they arrest me and my friend for allegedly stealing a bowling pin, while every *day* I know of dozens of teenagers breaking the law by smashing windows, drinking underage, smoking underage, drug dealing and taking, attacking innocent people, shop lifting, graffiti, destruction of property, trespassing - the list goes on. The police know who these people are, and what they do, but none of them have records.
How could the police arrest us for something as petty as stealing a bowling pin (which, by the way, I was innocent of) when they KNOW all these kids are out there doing everything I listed and more. Some kid forced his way into my mate's house when we were having a few drinks, smashed up some stuff, hit a load of us with a metal pole, threw a rock through my mate's dad's car window. At least 10 witnesses, fingerprints on the metal pole and on the rock, and probably on the mirror he smashed on us as we were crowded in the hallway trying to get him out. You know what happened? "Not enough evidence." God DAMN police, how can they say there's not enough evidence? Loads of eye witnesses who all gave accounts, others who saw what happened from their homes, fingerprints - and not enough evidence?
What did they need? A signed confession? And they knew who the kid was, he was notorious for being a radgie (and now he's dead - drug overdose - what a scumbag) That made me so angry. They can lock me up for a night with no evidence that *I* had done anything wrong (I there when it happened, and there with my mate when he got picked up, that was all) but they won't even bother convicting this kid when he was blatantly guilty?
KNOWING that they completely ignore hundreds of crimes (I've seen it first hand, I've even seen police talking and joking with kids who've just been taking drugs or stealing, then letting them get on with it) I just can't take them seriously. They don't want loads of paperwork, that's why they do it. Why fill in a bunch of forms and get a lot of hassle when they can simply give them a warning and hope they don't do it again? Hell, we got let off for the bowling pin thing so the police involved didn't have the hassle of a court case. All we had to do was have someone admit to stealing it.
Unlike most radgies, I'm scared of messing with the police because, quite simply, I don't WANT a criminal record. They're always friendly, and try to be helpful, but over the years we've had at least five or six attempted break ins, people stealing from our shed and our neighbour’s sheds, loads of attempts to steal our cars (once they pushed it half way up the road trying to start it, then realised it had no engine - my dad had taken it out that very day) and in once case, they stole a very expensive MP3 CD player from one of our Rovers by smashing the window - all that and the police have been over to my house once, twice at the most.
Your average police man is helpful and friendly, but as a whole, the police themselves are a joke. Oh, and I've always considered joining the force, as a backup plan, so although I say all this, I'd be happy working for them.
I work for the Inland Revenue. Those words instantly cause people to think "taxes". Working there last year and again this year, despite the fact that my job is to HELP these people get their benefits, many are extremely rude. Past dealings/problems, or just an ignorance about something they don't understand - either way, we take a fair bit of flak on the phone, so I know what you're feeling.
My own opinions of the police? How can they arrest me and my friend for allegedly stealing a bowling pin, while every *day* I know of dozens of teenagers breaking the law by smashing windows, drinking underage, smoking underage, drug dealing and taking, attacking innocent people, shop lifting, graffiti, destruction of property, trespassing - the list goes on. The police know who these people are, and what they do, but none of them have records.
How could the police arrest us for something as petty as stealing a bowling pin (which, by the way, I was innocent of) when they KNOW all these kids are out there doing everything I listed and more. Some kid forced his way into my mate's house when we were having a few drinks, smashed up some stuff, hit a load of us with a metal pole, threw a rock through my mate's dad's car window. At least 10 witnesses, fingerprints on the metal pole and on the rock, and probably on the mirror he smashed on us as we were crowded in the hallway trying to get him out. You know what happened? "Not enough evidence." God DAMN police, how can they say there's not enough evidence? Loads of eye witnesses who all gave accounts, others who saw what happened from their homes, fingerprints - and not enough evidence?
What did they need? A signed confession? And they knew who the kid was, he was notorious for being a radgie (and now he's dead - drug overdose - what a scumbag) That made me so angry. They can lock me up for a night with no evidence that *I* had done anything wrong (I there when it happened, and there with my mate when he got picked up, that was all) but they won't even bother convicting this kid when he was blatantly guilty?
KNOWING that they completely ignore hundreds of crimes (I've seen it first hand, I've even seen police talking and joking with kids who've just been taking drugs or stealing, then letting them get on with it) I just can't take them seriously. They don't want loads of paperwork, that's why they do it. Why fill in a bunch of forms and get a lot of hassle when they can simply give them a warning and hope they don't do it again? Hell, we got let off for the bowling pin thing so the police involved didn't have the hassle of a court case. All we had to do was have someone admit to stealing it.
Unlike most radgies, I'm scared of messing with the police because, quite simply, I don't WANT a criminal record. They're always friendly, and try to be helpful, but over the years we've had at least five or six attempted break ins, people stealing from our shed and our neighbour’s sheds, loads of attempts to steal our cars (once they pushed it half way up the road trying to start it, then realised it had no engine - my dad had taken it out that very day) and in once case, they stole a very expensive MP3 CD player from one of our Rovers by smashing the window - all that and the police have been over to my house once, twice at the most.
Your average police man is helpful and friendly, but as a whole, the police themselves are a joke. Oh, and I've always considered joining the force, as a backup plan, so although I say all this, I'd be happy working for them.
Ack it's too tedious, I'll just give you the details below. There is one big uk site for the police, then you say what part of the uk you live in and get redirected, then what your local police force is and then you get recruitment details. Far easier to just use the link from my Favourites although this is for scotland. Don't know if you're in England or wherever though? Anyway enjoy :
Guidelines on Eyesight Standards
Unaided vision: not less than 6/24 in each eye and 6/6 binocularly.
Aided vision (spectacles or contact lenses): not less than6/12 in each eye and 6/6 binocularly.
Applicant’s colour vision must be normal.
Aided and unaided vision should be tested using the Snellens Formula. Colour vision should be tested using the Ishihara Method.
Guidelines on Eyesight Standards
Unaided vision: not less than 6/24 in each eye and 6/6 binocularly.
Aided vision (spectacles or contact lenses): not less than6/12 in each eye and 6/6 binocularly.
Applicant’s colour vision must be normal.
Aided and unaided vision should be tested using the Snellens Formula. Colour vision should be tested using the Ishihara Method.
I know there is, I can't remember what it is as I have perfect eyesight so I skipped that section. I shall find a link to the police website though so you can see for yourself.
Thanks (so as not to seem rude :^) ), by the way
Another question:
What about eyesight?
Is there a quality of vision restriction? If so what is it?
What about eyesight?
Is there a quality of vision restriction? If so what is it?
Quick question for E_B: As I'm pretty sure I told you in another thread of mine I am considering a career in the police force myself once I am old enough which I believe is 18 and a half no? Anyway that wasn't the real question. The real question is you know how you said they police give you training? Well how much of that training is physical? I know you have to pass fitness tests but I was wondering if you got given any help to pass them? I don't know what answer I am expecting but just thought I'd ask multiple questions to try and get an answer to that main one heh. Answer whenever, thanks :D
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