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I’m just interested in finding out peoples thoughts on the subject. Not just surgery but “beauty” on the whole.
I was thinking about it the other day, (don’t know why), and there is a program on channel 5 at the moment called, “Drastic Plastic”, which reminded me to write a post about it.
I’m not talking about plastic surgery for those that have been disfigured in such a way as it was out of their control. I’m talking about cosmetic surgery for personal gain.
A while back it was frowned on a little by society and it would be rare to come across someone who had, had it, and even rarer to come across someone that would admit to having had it. So, as society finds these things more and more, “acceptable”, and access to different levels of “self improvement” becomes more widely available, where do you all see it going?
You don’t even have to go under the knife these days what with botox and the likes. People seem to be undergoing medical procedures more and more often in search of the unattainable perfection that is thrust at them every day on TV and in magazines.
People will say, “I’m doing it for myself not anyone else, I’m doing it because I’m not happy when I look in the mirror”. Why aren’t they happy? Is their unhappiness not due to everyone else?
I personally dislike cosmetic surgery with a real passion. I like my women natural and unaltered, even heavy make-up is enough to put me off.
I know what I’m about to say is focusing on women and I know men tart themselves up too, but women have more tricks up their sleeves. Push-up bras, stomach and buttock holding in pants…it’s not fair, it’s false advertising; you just don’t know what you’re getting anymore. It’s like that Christmas when you were a kid. You see your present under the tree and it all looks so promising, but when you unwrap it you find yourself filled only with disappointment.
So in a world of nips, tucks, lifts and reshapings, what are your views on all of this?
Oh, I would like to add one more thing though. Cliff Richard has botox treatment; you don’t want to be like Cliff, do you?
I was thinking about it the other day, (don’t know why), and there is a program on channel 5 at the moment called, “Drastic Plastic”, which reminded me to write a post about it.
I’m not talking about plastic surgery for those that have been disfigured in such a way as it was out of their control. I’m talking about cosmetic surgery for personal gain.
A while back it was frowned on a little by society and it would be rare to come across someone who had, had it, and even rarer to come across someone that would admit to having had it. So, as society finds these things more and more, “acceptable”, and access to different levels of “self improvement” becomes more widely available, where do you all see it going?
You don’t even have to go under the knife these days what with botox and the likes. People seem to be undergoing medical procedures more and more often in search of the unattainable perfection that is thrust at them every day on TV and in magazines.
People will say, “I’m doing it for myself not anyone else, I’m doing it because I’m not happy when I look in the mirror”. Why aren’t they happy? Is their unhappiness not due to everyone else?
I personally dislike cosmetic surgery with a real passion. I like my women natural and unaltered, even heavy make-up is enough to put me off.
I know what I’m about to say is focusing on women and I know men tart themselves up too, but women have more tricks up their sleeves. Push-up bras, stomach and buttock holding in pants…it’s not fair, it’s false advertising; you just don’t know what you’re getting anymore. It’s like that Christmas when you were a kid. You see your present under the tree and it all looks so promising, but when you unwrap it you find yourself filled only with disappointment.
So in a world of nips, tucks, lifts and reshapings, what are your views on all of this?
Oh, I would like to add one more thing though. Cliff Richard has botox treatment; you don’t want to be like Cliff, do you?
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I have to go home now so I'll reply later.
Ineedsleep wrote:
> I never actually said 'only have a little bit', nor did I mean that
> exactly.
I know you didn't say that and I know my previous post sounded a bit arsey, but it wasn't intentional.
It was reading this bit that made me think that was vaguely what you meant.
> I'm not in favour of the women (and men) who will one day end up with their belly button at their throat but as a confidence builder for some people this type of work helps them alot
> I never actually said 'only have a little bit', nor did I mean that
> exactly.
I know you didn't say that and I know my previous post sounded a bit arsey, but it wasn't intentional.
It was reading this bit that made me think that was vaguely what you meant.
> I'm not in favour of the women (and men) who will one day end up with their belly button at their throat but as a confidence builder for some people this type of work helps them alot
Ineedsleep wrote:
> If you are born with a defect you have to face school for years,
> where children can be very cruel, or even cope with people pointing,
> whispering, staring and possibly laughing at you in public. Worst
> case scenario and I know that's really extreme but it happens. If
> this type of defect can be fixed with surgery and if you are someone
> who is not mentally strong enough to cope with facing society then in
> this case yes I'm for it. You can be from a strong loving family but
> still not have the confidence to face people.
>
> I'm sorry, I cannot put this fully into what I mean but there is a
> difference between having an op for vanitys' sake and having an op to
> help you face people.
yes, but this is a MENTAL problem, and needs to be treated as such. You cannot change who a person is simply by chopping up their face. They may feel better for a while, but those anxieties and deep emotional problems are still there. Psychiatry and counselling in my view is the best way to go, not surgery. Plastic Surgery is a relatively new science, people in the past have had to learn to cope in other ways. It is a very drastic and perhaps unreliable way to 'treat' the persons problem.
> If you are born with a defect you have to face school for years,
> where children can be very cruel, or even cope with people pointing,
> whispering, staring and possibly laughing at you in public. Worst
> case scenario and I know that's really extreme but it happens. If
> this type of defect can be fixed with surgery and if you are someone
> who is not mentally strong enough to cope with facing society then in
> this case yes I'm for it. You can be from a strong loving family but
> still not have the confidence to face people.
>
> I'm sorry, I cannot put this fully into what I mean but there is a
> difference between having an op for vanitys' sake and having an op to
> help you face people.
yes, but this is a MENTAL problem, and needs to be treated as such. You cannot change who a person is simply by chopping up their face. They may feel better for a while, but those anxieties and deep emotional problems are still there. Psychiatry and counselling in my view is the best way to go, not surgery. Plastic Surgery is a relatively new science, people in the past have had to learn to cope in other ways. It is a very drastic and perhaps unreliable way to 'treat' the persons problem.
English_Bloke wrote:
> But how can you say, “I’m for plastic surgery to boost confidence as
> long as they only have a little bit”?
I never actually said 'only have a little bit', nor did I mean that exactly. Someone has already mentioned nose jobs earlier in the thread. If a person has any facial defects that really upset them then yes I am all for plastic surgery to help.
If you are born with a defect you have to face school for years, where children can be very cruel, or even cope with people pointing, whispering, staring and possibly laughing at you in public. Worst case scenario and I know that's really extreme but it happens. If this type of defect can be fixed with surgery and if you are someone who is not mentally strong enough to cope with facing society then in this case yes I'm for it. You can be from a strong loving family but still not have the confidence to face people.
I'm sorry, I cannot put this fully into what I mean but there is a difference between having an op for vanitys' sake and having an op to help you face people.
> But how can you say, “I’m for plastic surgery to boost confidence as
> long as they only have a little bit”?
I never actually said 'only have a little bit', nor did I mean that exactly. Someone has already mentioned nose jobs earlier in the thread. If a person has any facial defects that really upset them then yes I am all for plastic surgery to help.
If you are born with a defect you have to face school for years, where children can be very cruel, or even cope with people pointing, whispering, staring and possibly laughing at you in public. Worst case scenario and I know that's really extreme but it happens. If this type of defect can be fixed with surgery and if you are someone who is not mentally strong enough to cope with facing society then in this case yes I'm for it. You can be from a strong loving family but still not have the confidence to face people.
I'm sorry, I cannot put this fully into what I mean but there is a difference between having an op for vanitys' sake and having an op to help you face people.
Ineedsleep wrote:
> I'm all for plastic surgery and have even considered it as a boost
> when I have felt really low. Fortunately I rarely get the blues and
> they never last long anyway.
Yeah, but surely that's completely the wrong reason to do it. You need to be of sound mind when you do something like that - it's permanent and you don't want to do something on impulse because you may regret it for the rest of your life.
> I'm all for plastic surgery and have even considered it as a boost
> when I have felt really low. Fortunately I rarely get the blues and
> they never last long anyway.
Yeah, but surely that's completely the wrong reason to do it. You need to be of sound mind when you do something like that - it's permanent and you don't want to do something on impulse because you may regret it for the rest of your life.
But how can you say, “I’m for plastic surgery to boost confidence as long as they only have a little bit”?
The people that have dozens of operations thereby not being “acceptable” may say that they are doing it for their confidence.
I personally don’t see much difference between having 1 op and having 14.
The people that have dozens of operations thereby not being “acceptable” may say that they are doing it for their confidence.
I personally don’t see much difference between having 1 op and having 14.
I'm all for plastic surgery and have even considered it as a boost when I have felt really low. Fortunately I rarely get the blues and they never last long anyway.
I'm not in favour of the women (and men) who will one day end up with their belly button at their throat but as a confidence builder for some people this type of work helps them alot. Especially to reshape something that no amount of exercise or good diet would help them with.
I'm not in favour of the women (and men) who will one day end up with their belly button at their throat but as a confidence builder for some people this type of work helps them alot. Especially to reshape something that no amount of exercise or good diet would help them with.
a desperate dan chin (a'la Jim Carrey in me, myself and irene) could be quite jolly also.
Mr Snuggly wrote:
> Of course, all this is from a very male point of view. And any males
> who have plastic surgery are out of the man club forever.
Unless they have a pair of comedy breats permanently welded to their torso. That would be cool wouldn't it? Let's imagine that one of us had this done when they were drunk on their 21st birthday, that'd be funny, surely? I mean the disfigurement is traumatic, I guess and having to expain why you have man breasts gets tiresome, I imagine.
Ok so I'm saggy DD cup, but the joke's still funny, people still laugh at me. I'm happy and that's all that counts.
Burn me.
> Of course, all this is from a very male point of view. And any males
> who have plastic surgery are out of the man club forever.
Unless they have a pair of comedy breats permanently welded to their torso. That would be cool wouldn't it? Let's imagine that one of us had this done when they were drunk on their 21st birthday, that'd be funny, surely? I mean the disfigurement is traumatic, I guess and having to expain why you have man breasts gets tiresome, I imagine.
Ok so I'm saggy DD cup, but the joke's still funny, people still laugh at me. I'm happy and that's all that counts.
Burn me.
Personally, I think there's no worse look on a woman than that permanently-fixed smile, like they've just walked straight out of the Stepford Wives or something. Eerie.
Boobs are another matter. Again, natural looks better and when your woman is pushing 40, she's not going to want a zeppelin race going on in her bra.
Of course, all this is from a very male point of view. And any males who have plastic surgery are out of the man club forever.
Boobs are another matter. Again, natural looks better and when your woman is pushing 40, she's not going to want a zeppelin race going on in her bra.
Of course, all this is from a very male point of view. And any males who have plastic surgery are out of the man club forever.
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