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I’m just interested in finding out peoples thoughts on the subject. Not just surgery but “beauty” on the whole.
I was thinking about it the other day, (don’t know why), and there is a program on channel 5 at the moment called, “Drastic Plastic”, which reminded me to write a post about it.
I’m not talking about plastic surgery for those that have been disfigured in such a way as it was out of their control. I’m talking about cosmetic surgery for personal gain.
A while back it was frowned on a little by society and it would be rare to come across someone who had, had it, and even rarer to come across someone that would admit to having had it. So, as society finds these things more and more, “acceptable”, and access to different levels of “self improvement” becomes more widely available, where do you all see it going?
You don’t even have to go under the knife these days what with botox and the likes. People seem to be undergoing medical procedures more and more often in search of the unattainable perfection that is thrust at them every day on TV and in magazines.
People will say, “I’m doing it for myself not anyone else, I’m doing it because I’m not happy when I look in the mirror”. Why aren’t they happy? Is their unhappiness not due to everyone else?
I personally dislike cosmetic surgery with a real passion. I like my women natural and unaltered, even heavy make-up is enough to put me off.
I know what I’m about to say is focusing on women and I know men tart themselves up too, but women have more tricks up their sleeves. Push-up bras, stomach and buttock holding in pants…it’s not fair, it’s false advertising; you just don’t know what you’re getting anymore. It’s like that Christmas when you were a kid. You see your present under the tree and it all looks so promising, but when you unwrap it you find yourself filled only with disappointment.
So in a world of nips, tucks, lifts and reshapings, what are your views on all of this?
Oh, I would like to add one more thing though. Cliff Richard has botox treatment; you don’t want to be like Cliff, do you?
I was thinking about it the other day, (don’t know why), and there is a program on channel 5 at the moment called, “Drastic Plastic”, which reminded me to write a post about it.
I’m not talking about plastic surgery for those that have been disfigured in such a way as it was out of their control. I’m talking about cosmetic surgery for personal gain.
A while back it was frowned on a little by society and it would be rare to come across someone who had, had it, and even rarer to come across someone that would admit to having had it. So, as society finds these things more and more, “acceptable”, and access to different levels of “self improvement” becomes more widely available, where do you all see it going?
You don’t even have to go under the knife these days what with botox and the likes. People seem to be undergoing medical procedures more and more often in search of the unattainable perfection that is thrust at them every day on TV and in magazines.
People will say, “I’m doing it for myself not anyone else, I’m doing it because I’m not happy when I look in the mirror”. Why aren’t they happy? Is their unhappiness not due to everyone else?
I personally dislike cosmetic surgery with a real passion. I like my women natural and unaltered, even heavy make-up is enough to put me off.
I know what I’m about to say is focusing on women and I know men tart themselves up too, but women have more tricks up their sleeves. Push-up bras, stomach and buttock holding in pants…it’s not fair, it’s false advertising; you just don’t know what you’re getting anymore. It’s like that Christmas when you were a kid. You see your present under the tree and it all looks so promising, but when you unwrap it you find yourself filled only with disappointment.
So in a world of nips, tucks, lifts and reshapings, what are your views on all of this?
Oh, I would like to add one more thing though. Cliff Richard has botox treatment; you don’t want to be like Cliff, do you?
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Well once you get to the age of about 20 your body, instead of growing , starts dying. Ok it has many regenerative properties that keep you alive and looking healthy through the years but all those changes are happening as you are dying after you've reached full maturity. Naturally your body goes down hill, wrinkles and so on. Cosmetic surgery can keep your body looking younger well best your prime which is obviously around 20-25. I'm not saying after that age you're ugly and will never find love or anything I'm just saying that if they can make any small improvement then why not let them? I wouldn't mind.
No I don't, please do explain.
You can say what you want things like that make people look good long past their sell by dates if you know what I mean.
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I wouldn't go under the knife but I would do less intrussive cosmetic surgeries such as cosmetic dentistry and botox. Oh definitely that laser hair regrowth stuff too if that counts. I fear I may be bald by time I'm 30.
Reading INEEDSLEEP's post made me think.
You see, I had a mole removed a while back. Why? Because it was in an awkward place, I'd catch it while putting on or taking off a top. So I had it removed.
I didn't say it made me think in any real depth...it just made me think.
You see, I had a mole removed a while back. Why? Because it was in an awkward place, I'd catch it while putting on or taking off a top. So I had it removed.
I didn't say it made me think in any real depth...it just made me think.
I'd have plastic surgery to get rid of a scar on my hand if I was rich and could afford it without being out of pocket for other things. The scar really irritates me, especially when my hands are cold and it bulges quite a bit because the dead tissue doesn't react to the cold. People keep asking me what happened my hand and it gets annoying when I'm being asked for the hundreth time.
Okay I’ll see if I can try to change your minds or at least let you think some more about this and clarify where my thoughts came from. My original post was actually just in response to the plastic surgery part of the original post – not the whole ‘beauty’ aspect which I’m ignoring for the sake of this post.
> yes, but this is a MENTAL problem, and needs to be treated as such.
Ouch – no need to shout at me. I need surgery now to mend my eardrums :)
I think (and yes I could easily be wrong, I usually am) that you are over simplifying things but it’s hard to tell as you are envisaging scenarios when you post that I am not. However it is my understanding that you have to have a consultation before surgery is undertaken and there will be occasions when surgery is refused or turned down. I’m sorry but I’m supposed to be revising so I really can’t look further into this to check it in more depth so I’ll be honest and say that that is off the top of my head. I believe it is not so much a mental problem as a ‘state of mind’. You can go to all the therapy you want but when you look in the mirror the strongest words in the world will not detract you from hating whatever it is that caused the mental anguish in the first place. As I’ve already said this must happen even if you are surrounded by strong, supportive, people.
> You cannot change who a person is simply by chopping up their face.
No you cannot but it can change how someone feels about him / herself and how they respond to society as a whole. You would need to ask someone who’d had to make a choice between years of therapy or an couple of hours in surgery – which would they prefer? I know which I would choose.
> I personally don’t see much difference between having 1 op and having 14.
Having just 1 op would probably mean that you are having a problem fixed. I agree that the people who have 14+ operations do need therapy. They will never be satisfied and are addicted to going under the knife.
Okay – quick scenario for you. It is 10 years in the future, you now have a wife and three children. Your wife is back to her lovely shape but has more ridges, crags and lines on her stomach then the Alps. You absolutely hate them and find them a turn off but you still love you wife. She tells you that she is very depressed about her stomach and wants to wear short tops or a bikini again so she is going under the knife. Would you stop her?
Quick scenario for me. It is 15 years in the future and all of a sudden I have a great hairy mole on my face. Would I have it surgically removed? Yes, I have little going for me as it is and would not walk around like that. However I am not a vain person. I remember a great aunt who had a heart of gold who had a mole like this and she frightened the life out of me.
True story. I have a friend who had a boob job but she didn’t go up a couple of sizes, she had them reduced (did I hear someone sob then?). She used to work in the kitchen at the local pub and in the heat her bra straps cut into her shoulders. They were not fancy thin straps (not enough support) but were quite wide and they didn’t stay white as the blood soaked into them. We used to stick wads of tissue under the straps as extra padding when this happened and have to soak the tissues off her shoulders. She is in no way disfigured, she is actually quite tall and very attractive, and no amount of therapy would have helped her.
I am not saying that all plastic surgery is good, personally I would never have a face life or a ‘nip and tuck’ (unless the results were as good as Cher – joking, I think), but each to their own. Venombytes’ last paragraph says it all really.
Damn this ended up longer then some of the stories I post on here but way to go to boost word count against number of posts.
> yes, but this is a MENTAL problem, and needs to be treated as such.
Ouch – no need to shout at me. I need surgery now to mend my eardrums :)
I think (and yes I could easily be wrong, I usually am) that you are over simplifying things but it’s hard to tell as you are envisaging scenarios when you post that I am not. However it is my understanding that you have to have a consultation before surgery is undertaken and there will be occasions when surgery is refused or turned down. I’m sorry but I’m supposed to be revising so I really can’t look further into this to check it in more depth so I’ll be honest and say that that is off the top of my head. I believe it is not so much a mental problem as a ‘state of mind’. You can go to all the therapy you want but when you look in the mirror the strongest words in the world will not detract you from hating whatever it is that caused the mental anguish in the first place. As I’ve already said this must happen even if you are surrounded by strong, supportive, people.
> You cannot change who a person is simply by chopping up their face.
No you cannot but it can change how someone feels about him / herself and how they respond to society as a whole. You would need to ask someone who’d had to make a choice between years of therapy or an couple of hours in surgery – which would they prefer? I know which I would choose.
> I personally don’t see much difference between having 1 op and having 14.
Having just 1 op would probably mean that you are having a problem fixed. I agree that the people who have 14+ operations do need therapy. They will never be satisfied and are addicted to going under the knife.
Okay – quick scenario for you. It is 10 years in the future, you now have a wife and three children. Your wife is back to her lovely shape but has more ridges, crags and lines on her stomach then the Alps. You absolutely hate them and find them a turn off but you still love you wife. She tells you that she is very depressed about her stomach and wants to wear short tops or a bikini again so she is going under the knife. Would you stop her?
Quick scenario for me. It is 15 years in the future and all of a sudden I have a great hairy mole on my face. Would I have it surgically removed? Yes, I have little going for me as it is and would not walk around like that. However I am not a vain person. I remember a great aunt who had a heart of gold who had a mole like this and she frightened the life out of me.
True story. I have a friend who had a boob job but she didn’t go up a couple of sizes, she had them reduced (did I hear someone sob then?). She used to work in the kitchen at the local pub and in the heat her bra straps cut into her shoulders. They were not fancy thin straps (not enough support) but were quite wide and they didn’t stay white as the blood soaked into them. We used to stick wads of tissue under the straps as extra padding when this happened and have to soak the tissues off her shoulders. She is in no way disfigured, she is actually quite tall and very attractive, and no amount of therapy would have helped her.
I am not saying that all plastic surgery is good, personally I would never have a face life or a ‘nip and tuck’ (unless the results were as good as Cher – joking, I think), but each to their own. Venombytes’ last paragraph says it all really.
Damn this ended up longer then some of the stories I post on here but way to go to boost word count against number of posts.
ßora† SagdiyeV wrote:
> Ineedsleep wrote:
> I'm all for plastic surgery and have even considered it as a boost
> when I have felt really low. Fortunately I rarely get the blues and
> they never last long anyway.
>
> Yeah, but surely that's completely the wrong reason to do it. You
> need to be of sound mind when you do something like that - it's
> permanent and you don't want to do something on impulse because you
> may regret it for the rest of your life.
Like I said I'm rarely blue and when I am I don't happen to have a couple of grand just sitting in my purse doing nothing but dammit why can't I have a cleavage! My sisters have them, my mother had one, life is just so unfair sometimes!
:)
> Ineedsleep wrote:
> I'm all for plastic surgery and have even considered it as a boost
> when I have felt really low. Fortunately I rarely get the blues and
> they never last long anyway.
>
> Yeah, but surely that's completely the wrong reason to do it. You
> need to be of sound mind when you do something like that - it's
> permanent and you don't want to do something on impulse because you
> may regret it for the rest of your life.
Like I said I'm rarely blue and when I am I don't happen to have a couple of grand just sitting in my purse doing nothing but dammit why can't I have a cleavage! My sisters have them, my mother had one, life is just so unfair sometimes!
:)
Ineedsleep wrote:
> I have to go home now so I'll reply later.
catch ya lader
> I have to go home now so I'll reply later.
catch ya lader
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