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Don or†ega wrote:
> Methinks you need a lesson in maths!
A simple typo, that's all!
> Oh yeah, united currently hold the record for reaching the most
> amount of consecutive 1/4 finals.
And that's a record to be proud of? What use is a record like that? What does it mean? Absolutely nothing! Like I said, however you slice it... whether you go out in the first round or lose in the final, at the end of the day your still a loser. You might pocket more cash, but you still have no trophy to show for it, and people only remember who wins, not who got the the second round, quarter final, semi final... even the losers in the final.
People say "oh, Arsenal should have the experience to do better in this competition by now". Yes, even as an Arsenal fan I have to say that is very true.
So what does that mean for ManYoo? Simple fact is, you've had almost double the experience, yet still fail repeatedly, and the one you did win was largely thanks to an immense slice of luck, rather than any outstanding quality of play.
We've at least been there consistently under Wenger for each of the first six seasons he's been in charge, which in itself is more of an acheivment than Ferguson's United managed in the first six years of his management.
So yes, it's a hard learning curve for us. But we're already doing a better job than ManYoo managed!
True comparisons can't be made until such time as Wenger has been with Arsenal for the same amount of time as Ferguson's been at United. But it's certainly looking as though United's acheivments will be surpassed. The CL will come in time, just as it did for United. And when it does, it'll be more deserved than lucky!
> Methinks you need a lesson in maths!
A simple typo, that's all!
> Oh yeah, united currently hold the record for reaching the most
> amount of consecutive 1/4 finals.
And that's a record to be proud of? What use is a record like that? What does it mean? Absolutely nothing! Like I said, however you slice it... whether you go out in the first round or lose in the final, at the end of the day your still a loser. You might pocket more cash, but you still have no trophy to show for it, and people only remember who wins, not who got the the second round, quarter final, semi final... even the losers in the final.
People say "oh, Arsenal should have the experience to do better in this competition by now". Yes, even as an Arsenal fan I have to say that is very true.
So what does that mean for ManYoo? Simple fact is, you've had almost double the experience, yet still fail repeatedly, and the one you did win was largely thanks to an immense slice of luck, rather than any outstanding quality of play.
We've at least been there consistently under Wenger for each of the first six seasons he's been in charge, which in itself is more of an acheivment than Ferguson's United managed in the first six years of his management.
So yes, it's a hard learning curve for us. But we're already doing a better job than ManYoo managed!
True comparisons can't be made until such time as Wenger has been with Arsenal for the same amount of time as Ferguson's been at United. But it's certainly looking as though United's acheivments will be surpassed. The CL will come in time, just as it did for United. And when it does, it'll be more deserved than lucky!
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> ManYoo have been in the CL almost constantly for around 15 years -
> far longer than Arsenal - and have still only won it ONCE (and how
> flukey was THAT? No injury time, no win). So you actually have a
> WORSE success rate than Arsenal. However you slice it, you're still
> the bigger failures!
Methinks you need a lesson in maths!
However you slice it? One victory is a lot more than ZERO victories! CL for almost 15 years? United have only been in it since 1993....which equals...slowly now...10 years. And we all know we can blame the scousers for our early europeon stutters back in those days. None of us knew how to play europeon football becasue of the ban! Not to mention the fact that limit on foriegn players was like playing with one hand tied behind your back.
Oh yeah, united currently hold the record for reaching the most amount of consecutive 1/4 finals. While i think Arsenal probably hold the record for getting knocked out in the group stage in consecutive seasons ;)
> ManYoo have been in the CL almost constantly for around 15 years -
> far longer than Arsenal - and have still only won it ONCE (and how
> flukey was THAT? No injury time, no win). So you actually have a
> WORSE success rate than Arsenal. However you slice it, you're still
> the bigger failures!
Methinks you need a lesson in maths!
However you slice it? One victory is a lot more than ZERO victories! CL for almost 15 years? United have only been in it since 1993....which equals...slowly now...10 years. And we all know we can blame the scousers for our early europeon stutters back in those days. None of us knew how to play europeon football becasue of the ban! Not to mention the fact that limit on foriegn players was like playing with one hand tied behind your back.
Oh yeah, united currently hold the record for reaching the most amount of consecutive 1/4 finals. While i think Arsenal probably hold the record for getting knocked out in the group stage in consecutive seasons ;)
At least we won Afro!
:)
:)
Oo, good results for Celtic and Rangers recently, eh AJ?
:D
:D
Virtuoso wrote:
> The only celebration Arsenal will have in Europe is getting as far as
> the knock-out stages. They ain't never going to win the Champions
> League.
Yet Liverpool continue to torment defenses in Europe?
0-0 at half time at home to Steaua Bucharest... ooh, guess not.
;-)
> The only celebration Arsenal will have in Europe is getting as far as
> the knock-out stages. They ain't never going to win the Champions
> League.
Yet Liverpool continue to torment defenses in Europe?
0-0 at half time at home to Steaua Bucharest... ooh, guess not.
;-)
ITV suck
Clazon wrote:
> the referee was a little quirky
Quirky, but fair.
He decided before the game that he was only going to award free-kicks to the team kicking to the right (as the TV cameras were situated).
In the first half, most decisions went to Inter, who on TV were kicking left to right.
Second half it was reversed, with Arsenal getting most of the decisions.
That's how it seemed to me, anyway.
> the referee was a little quirky
Quirky, but fair.
He decided before the game that he was only going to award free-kicks to the team kicking to the right (as the TV cameras were situated).
In the first half, most decisions went to Inter, who on TV were kicking left to right.
Second half it was reversed, with Arsenal getting most of the decisions.
That's how it seemed to me, anyway.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
Unsurprisingly, we can't do anything right as far as the United fans are concerned.
If we don't win, it's because we're too reliant on Henry.
If we do win, it's because we're too reliant on Henry.
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I agree with you there. In Manc eyes, you can't do right for doing wrong.
:)
Unsurprisingly, we can't do anything right as far as the United fans are concerned.
If we don't win, it's because we're too reliant on Henry.
If we do win, it's because we're too reliant on Henry.
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I agree with you there. In Manc eyes, you can't do right for doing wrong.
:)
well, i think im in quite a good position to comment. im an arsenal fan and im not as unrealistic as sniper.
basically:
anyone who says we only won 2 or 3 - 1, is on cookoo land. there was a lot still in that game at that point. arsenal have now reversed the goals scenario which puts us second and a win at home against a poor travelling side first.
the referee was a little quirky, but thats the troubles teams face with the disjointed refereeing standards in europe.
this game could seriously favour us. we are the best team in europe on our day no doubt, but quite often we have to grind a result. hopefully, we will hit the highs in the knockout stage more easily than another group stage.
im pretty sure this wont affect our premiership form, although there may not be a need to.
in summary it was a good result, showed that theres still a chance and that we can perform, but that doesnt mean were guaranteed to. if we get the win in highbury, we could hit the second phases quite well. to get 5 against an italian club is an achievement. i dont know whats going on with vieiri, but his goal had the most fluke of the night by a distance.
basically:
anyone who says we only won 2 or 3 - 1, is on cookoo land. there was a lot still in that game at that point. arsenal have now reversed the goals scenario which puts us second and a win at home against a poor travelling side first.
the referee was a little quirky, but thats the troubles teams face with the disjointed refereeing standards in europe.
this game could seriously favour us. we are the best team in europe on our day no doubt, but quite often we have to grind a result. hopefully, we will hit the highs in the knockout stage more easily than another group stage.
im pretty sure this wont affect our premiership form, although there may not be a need to.
in summary it was a good result, showed that theres still a chance and that we can perform, but that doesnt mean were guaranteed to. if we get the win in highbury, we could hit the second phases quite well. to get 5 against an italian club is an achievement. i dont know whats going on with vieiri, but his goal had the most fluke of the night by a distance.
Considering the players we had missing and the players they had back that didn't play in the first game, it was a great result.
I'm far from gloating, though, as we aren't through yet.
But there's reason enough for Arsenal fans to be happy about it. It was a very good performance, though still way off from our best.
Unsurprisingly, we can't do anything right as far as the United fans are concerned.
If we don't win, it's because we're too reliant on Henry.
If we do win, it's because we're too reliant on Henry.
Let's not forget that we scored five, and he only scored two.
Okay, so he made another two. At least that's more than RvN can do. Henry creates as well as scoring. RvN has little of the on-the-ball skill that Henry has, and none of the pace. Basically, unless there are few players to beat, or he is standing in front of the goal and someone plays a ball in to him, RvN doesn't score.
It was only because of his diving and the subsequent penalties that he won the Golden Boot last season. Take that away and he averages about a third less goals! (Even if he is capable of missing vital penalties! ;-)
I bet if Wenger was to phone Rosey-nose and say "fancy a straight swap - TH for RvN?", Rosey-nose would jump at the chance.
Also, much talk of Inter's collective head dropping after the third goal.
Well, so sorry! Whose fault is that? They're supposedly a world-class team - maybe they shouldn't be so defeatest?
Yes, they beat us 3-0 at Highbury, but Arsenal's head didn't drop, and we stopped them scoring any more. If anything, Inter's freak deflected goal should have given them a lift at 1-1. And the San Siro is reputedly a far more intimidating atmosphere than the "Highbury Library" will ever have, so they should have had all the lift they needed.
Are you saying we should have left it at 2-1 and at least allowed them to make a game of it? Did Chelsea do that against Lazio? Did ManYoo do that against Panathinaikos?
Presumably, the only reason ManYoo managed to beat Panathinaikos 5-0 was because "their heads dropped after the 3rd goal"?
Honestly, stop spouting such utter tripe!
Personally I don't believe Arsenal will win the CL this season. It would be nice to be proven wrong, but I can't see it happening. I will just be happy if this win gives us the confidence to get out of the group.
But before ManYoo fans gloat about our exit, just remember:
1. Arsene Wenger's Arsenal are so far a much more successful team than Ferguson's ManYoo were in the same time period. Remember, he won nothing for years and was almost sacked. But I know you all like to forget that side of it, so I'll let you off.
2. ManYoo have been in the CL almost constantly for around 15 years - far longer than Arsenal - and have still only won it ONCE (and how flukey was THAT? No injury time, no win). So you actually have a WORSE success rate than Arsenal. However you slice it, you're still the bigger failures!
I'm far from gloating, though, as we aren't through yet.
But there's reason enough for Arsenal fans to be happy about it. It was a very good performance, though still way off from our best.
Unsurprisingly, we can't do anything right as far as the United fans are concerned.
If we don't win, it's because we're too reliant on Henry.
If we do win, it's because we're too reliant on Henry.
Let's not forget that we scored five, and he only scored two.
Okay, so he made another two. At least that's more than RvN can do. Henry creates as well as scoring. RvN has little of the on-the-ball skill that Henry has, and none of the pace. Basically, unless there are few players to beat, or he is standing in front of the goal and someone plays a ball in to him, RvN doesn't score.
It was only because of his diving and the subsequent penalties that he won the Golden Boot last season. Take that away and he averages about a third less goals! (Even if he is capable of missing vital penalties! ;-)
I bet if Wenger was to phone Rosey-nose and say "fancy a straight swap - TH for RvN?", Rosey-nose would jump at the chance.
Also, much talk of Inter's collective head dropping after the third goal.
Well, so sorry! Whose fault is that? They're supposedly a world-class team - maybe they shouldn't be so defeatest?
Yes, they beat us 3-0 at Highbury, but Arsenal's head didn't drop, and we stopped them scoring any more. If anything, Inter's freak deflected goal should have given them a lift at 1-1. And the San Siro is reputedly a far more intimidating atmosphere than the "Highbury Library" will ever have, so they should have had all the lift they needed.
Are you saying we should have left it at 2-1 and at least allowed them to make a game of it? Did Chelsea do that against Lazio? Did ManYoo do that against Panathinaikos?
Presumably, the only reason ManYoo managed to beat Panathinaikos 5-0 was because "their heads dropped after the 3rd goal"?
Honestly, stop spouting such utter tripe!
Personally I don't believe Arsenal will win the CL this season. It would be nice to be proven wrong, but I can't see it happening. I will just be happy if this win gives us the confidence to get out of the group.
But before ManYoo fans gloat about our exit, just remember:
1. Arsene Wenger's Arsenal are so far a much more successful team than Ferguson's ManYoo were in the same time period. Remember, he won nothing for years and was almost sacked. But I know you all like to forget that side of it, so I'll let you off.
2. ManYoo have been in the CL almost constantly for around 15 years - far longer than Arsenal - and have still only won it ONCE (and how flukey was THAT? No injury time, no win). So you actually have a WORSE success rate than Arsenal. However you slice it, you're still the bigger failures!
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