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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3190934.stm
Whoops. Looks like some administration is desperate to convince the sheeple that things are a-ok!!!!
And I even posted this close to 5pm, so Bell can show me just how wrong this report is.
Whoops. Looks like some administration is desperate to convince the sheeple that things are a-ok!!!!
And I even posted this close to 5pm, so Bell can show me just how wrong this report is.
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Yeah I read about this and found it stunning that pilots would refuse to continue carrying out orders.
I wonder if will have affect whatsoever in the long run? Can but hope.
I wonder if will have affect whatsoever in the long run? Can but hope.
Well, if they were UK/US troops, they'd be courtmartialed for insubordination, and summarily and "dishonourably" dismissed from the armed forces. What the Israeli's do, I don't know. Probably jailtime.
It should be noted that people like these probably sign up because they love their country, and want to have a hand in protecting it somehow. When they realise that they're only protecting the region's political instability, and indeed being used to persecute often innocent people, it's understandable that they might want out.
A somewhat radical view, but whatever.
It should be noted that people like these probably sign up because they love their country, and want to have a hand in protecting it somehow. When they realise that they're only protecting the region's political instability, and indeed being used to persecute often innocent people, it's understandable that they might want out.
A somewhat radical view, but whatever.
Interesting. 27 pilots. So it can/does happen. That's hearting to know. I wonder what punishment they will face.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3140032.stm
Interesting you should say that Black Glove, did you know that a number of Israeli pilots were recently condemned by ther country for refusing to fly missions bombing the Palestinians?
I'll get a link if I can find one.
I'll get a link if I can find one.
Emperor Xerxes wrote:
> I don't find it strange at all. If you do something bad but someone
> else takes responsibility or you can displace responsibility from
> yourself then you are more likely to take the action.
It doesn't surprise me either, it just disturbs me. As long as there are people willing to give their minds away and kill on say so of someone else, someone 'higher', war will be inevitable.
I can fully understand self-defence, but at what point does a trained solider/pilot say: "hold on, I don't agree with this?" It never seems to happen. If the order is there, it's just bombs-away. But I guess aggression is alway justified in the minds of the aggressors.
> I don't find it strange at all. If you do something bad but someone
> else takes responsibility or you can displace responsibility from
> yourself then you are more likely to take the action.
It doesn't surprise me either, it just disturbs me. As long as there are people willing to give their minds away and kill on say so of someone else, someone 'higher', war will be inevitable.
I can fully understand self-defence, but at what point does a trained solider/pilot say: "hold on, I don't agree with this?" It never seems to happen. If the order is there, it's just bombs-away. But I guess aggression is alway justified in the minds of the aggressors.
Black Glove, as long as there are differant societies there will be competition. As long as there is competition there is a need for defense or offense. Therefore the need for a bunch of heavilly armed men to do your bidding.
I don't find it strange at all. If you do something bad but someone else takes responsibility or you can displace responsibility from yourself then you are more likely to take the action.
Ever heard of the Milgram experiment. Its a classic example of how humans will even kill as long as it is on someone elses behalf.
I don't find it strange at all. If you do something bad but someone else takes responsibility or you can displace responsibility from yourself then you are more likely to take the action.
Ever heard of the Milgram experiment. Its a classic example of how humans will even kill as long as it is on someone elses behalf.
Belldandy wrote:
> I mean you'd have to be a pretty desperate news organisation to even
> try and use this as a story of anything other than the sending of
> letters back home...but I guess when a certain media organisation has
> had to admit one of it's 'journalists' essentially made up a story
> which led to an inquiry, which led to a suicide, then they have to
> try and carry on best they can...
Well well...Bell attempts to shift the focus onto something else entirely...but I thought you don't approve of changing the sucject in a thread Bell.
Why...you wouldn't be a rancid little cowardly hypocrite who is incapable of defending his own viewpoint by any means other than trying to goad someone into forgetting the original point...would you>
> I mean you'd have to be a pretty desperate news organisation to even
> try and use this as a story of anything other than the sending of
> letters back home...but I guess when a certain media organisation has
> had to admit one of it's 'journalists' essentially made up a story
> which led to an inquiry, which led to a suicide, then they have to
> try and carry on best they can...
Well well...Bell attempts to shift the focus onto something else entirely...but I thought you don't approve of changing the sucject in a thread Bell.
Why...you wouldn't be a rancid little cowardly hypocrite who is incapable of defending his own viewpoint by any means other than trying to goad someone into forgetting the original point...would you>
Subtle propaganda, but soliders, soliders. Something disturbs about soliders and military personnel in general. I can never understand why someone is willing to give their mind away to the command of another, especially when that command orders "kill". There's something seriously wrong with human nature in this respect.
Do the pilots who recently dropped the bombs on Iraq feel guilty for instance. When they see footage of the destruction they caused and images of dead civilians, do they feel like killers.
To kill without question on the say of a higher authority - a part of me thinks this is the dregs of human behaviour.
Do the pilots who recently dropped the bombs on Iraq feel guilty for instance. When they see footage of the destruction they caused and images of dead civilians, do they feel like killers.
To kill without question on the say of a higher authority - a part of me thinks this is the dregs of human behaviour.
Mr Snuggly wrote:
> "Dear Lt. Smith's Mom,
>
> I am still doing okay. Today I shot five Iraqis and only three
> Americans. It is hot.
>
> From Lt. Smith"
P.S. I also killed 4 British soldiers and accidentally fire bombed another. I lost my McDonald privileges because of that but its okay, I prefer Burger King.
> "Dear Lt. Smith's Mom,
>
> I am still doing okay. Today I shot five Iraqis and only three
> Americans. It is hot.
>
> From Lt. Smith"
P.S. I also killed 4 British soldiers and accidentally fire bombed another. I lost my McDonald privileges because of that but its okay, I prefer Burger King.
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