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Warning to all Kazaa users... a young girl from America's parents were fined $150,000 for each song downloaded by the girl. She issued a statement claiming she was "sorry" and "didn't wish to hurt the artists she loves so much".
In the end the case was settled out of court for a mere $2,000...
Mere? This is crap... I know some artists are dead against downloading music but I also know many bands don't give a s**t and offer downloadable songs from their very own website...
If more bands did that the better I'd say... beat the money obsessed system!
In the end the case was settled out of court for a mere $2,000...
Mere? This is crap... I know some artists are dead against downloading music but I also know many bands don't give a s**t and offer downloadable songs from their very own website...
If more bands did that the better I'd say... beat the money obsessed system!
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Off topic (again), but I don't reckon songs have to be long to be classics. Minor Threat (80's punk/hardcore band) have many of their songs under a minute long, and I don't think any got longer than 4 mins. Still, their songs ('Straight Edge' especially) kick started a whole movement...
But getting back to the MP3s thing, it really does sicken me how they used a 12 year old girl to try and create anti-MP3 propaganda.
But getting back to the MP3s thing, it really does sicken me how they used a 12 year old girl to try and create anti-MP3 propaganda.
Hang on, Maiden appearing in a discussion on SR? Blimey, not something I've seen a lot. The TOTP performance was disappointing, to the point of cutting out a whole verse, and the solo at least certainly wasn't played live - a shame, as they were the band to break TOTP's policy of not having live performances in 1980..Yet to buy the new album - well, I've ordered it, but Play are taking bloody ages..
Lots of complaints I've read about copy protection on the new CD, and if it's having an effect on the quality of the release. Most of it seems to be put down to production and poor sound quality compared even to some of their older recordings, but the protection EMI used seems to have involved intentionally inserting error bits on to the CD so as to confuse lasers trying to copy them. Even if this doesn't directly affect the sound quality, the CD is far less likely to survive a scratch with errors already on the disc.
I have to agree with Bruce's comment on the situation, I was going to quote that myself :D It's exactly what I do. I've got in to a lot of artists following passing recommendations from various people by grabbing a few tracks off the net - for example, Thunder, Maiden, Matchbox 20, Lifehouse, Levellers, Satriani..many, many more, and I've now bought CDs, been to concerts and got T-shirts from all the above. Wouldn't have done any of that without the mp3s to get a bit of a taste for the music - the people who recommened them to me even found out via the net and mp3s.
The industry left it far too late to try to deal with the problem, they were offered use of the mp3 codec long before it was released in to the public domain, but dismissed it. Even when the popularity of P2P rose, they tried to attack networks and close them rather than offering a superior service themselves - if it's priced reasonably, many people would be happy to get the tracks officially and support their favourite artists.
Oh well, roll on Earl's Court in December :D
Lots of complaints I've read about copy protection on the new CD, and if it's having an effect on the quality of the release. Most of it seems to be put down to production and poor sound quality compared even to some of their older recordings, but the protection EMI used seems to have involved intentionally inserting error bits on to the CD so as to confuse lasers trying to copy them. Even if this doesn't directly affect the sound quality, the CD is far less likely to survive a scratch with errors already on the disc.
I have to agree with Bruce's comment on the situation, I was going to quote that myself :D It's exactly what I do. I've got in to a lot of artists following passing recommendations from various people by grabbing a few tracks off the net - for example, Thunder, Maiden, Matchbox 20, Lifehouse, Levellers, Satriani..many, many more, and I've now bought CDs, been to concerts and got T-shirts from all the above. Wouldn't have done any of that without the mp3s to get a bit of a taste for the music - the people who recommened them to me even found out via the net and mp3s.
The industry left it far too late to try to deal with the problem, they were offered use of the mp3 codec long before it was released in to the public domain, but dismissed it. Even when the popularity of P2P rose, they tried to attack networks and close them rather than offering a superior service themselves - if it's priced reasonably, many people would be happy to get the tracks officially and support their favourite artists.
Oh well, roll on Earl's Court in December :D
The press release was indeed suspicious,
Girls mum: "We understand now that file-sharing the music was illegal. You can be sure Brianna won't be doing it any more."
And Girl: "I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love."
To be honest, when I first read this, my only reaction was WTF?
Doing my best to put forward my opinion without inciting the usual fools to create conspiracy theories (Just kidding, make all the conspiracy theories you want), I think that maybe the RIAA had realised the had buggered up slightly more than usual, but being stubborn fools decided not to admit it, and try to cut their losses and get out as quietly as possible, by, not admitting defeat, but lessening their usual (and utterly stupid) 150,000 dollar fine to 2,000, on the condition she made a pro RIAA press release. In the hope that the weak minded 12 year old females of America will be influenced to not contribute to the downfall of society and to impending armageddon by downloading music.
Regarding FOTD, I really lurve the song (not to be taken literally. Perverts), you might be right that the final chorus is unnecesary, but I like these songs which last a long time, 6+ minutes.
I mean, FOTD, 7 mins I think(?), that's really a classic in my opinion, but for instance Wildest Dreams (new single - tonight on TOTP), while being a truly rocking song, 3:52, I don't think will ever get to a truly 'classic' state. That's only really my take on the matter though.
Girls mum: "We understand now that file-sharing the music was illegal. You can be sure Brianna won't be doing it any more."
And Girl: "I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love."
To be honest, when I first read this, my only reaction was WTF?
Doing my best to put forward my opinion without inciting the usual fools to create conspiracy theories (Just kidding, make all the conspiracy theories you want), I think that maybe the RIAA had realised the had buggered up slightly more than usual, but being stubborn fools decided not to admit it, and try to cut their losses and get out as quietly as possible, by, not admitting defeat, but lessening their usual (and utterly stupid) 150,000 dollar fine to 2,000, on the condition she made a pro RIAA press release. In the hope that the weak minded 12 year old females of America will be influenced to not contribute to the downfall of society and to impending armageddon by downloading music.
Regarding FOTD, I really lurve the song (not to be taken literally. Perverts), you might be right that the final chorus is unnecesary, but I like these songs which last a long time, 6+ minutes.
I mean, FOTD, 7 mins I think(?), that's really a classic in my opinion, but for instance Wildest Dreams (new single - tonight on TOTP), while being a truly rocking song, 3:52, I don't think will ever get to a truly 'classic' state. That's only really my take on the matter though.
I'll search for someones playlist with the songs on it...
And some of them are too long... Fear of the Dark for example is a fantastic song... but theres an extra chorus after the solo that really doesn't need to be there...
a bit shorter would be nice... Metallica has the same problem.
On a note harcking back to the topic... I'm not too sure if this case is real or a publicity stunt... did you read the little girls press release...
whatever.
And some of them are too long... Fear of the Dark for example is a fantastic song... but theres an extra chorus after the solo that really doesn't need to be there...
a bit shorter would be nice... Metallica has the same problem.
On a note harcking back to the topic... I'm not too sure if this case is real or a publicity stunt... did you read the little girls press release...
whatever.
Dringo wrote:
> Bruce and Maiden are legends in their own right... their songs are a
> tad long but I love them... All 3 maiden albums I have (2 live and
> Brave new world) are superb and I did download some tracks
> (originally dissapointed in Waisted Dreams... only to love it now)...
> and I love the songs and plan to buy the album when I get paid.
Long? Well, possibly, but if they can keep a song like Dream Of Mirrors going for 9 minutes and I don't get bored of it then long is fine by me.
To be honest when I bought Brave New World, it took a while for a lot of the tracks on there to grab me, The Wicker Man did straight away, must be the intro, but I don't really class that as being the best song on there anymore, as I did when I first bought it. I need to listen to most of them a few times at least for them to really sink in.
By the way, it's near impossible to get any Dance of Death tracks, EMI (presumably) seem to have flooded fasttrack at least with fakes. Doesn't really bother me, I ripped the mp3s from my CD anyway, for my own purposes you understand.
Why is my connection so slow today ? :@ Oh well.
> Bruce and Maiden are legends in their own right... their songs are a
> tad long but I love them... All 3 maiden albums I have (2 live and
> Brave new world) are superb and I did download some tracks
> (originally dissapointed in Waisted Dreams... only to love it now)...
> and I love the songs and plan to buy the album when I get paid.
Long? Well, possibly, but if they can keep a song like Dream Of Mirrors going for 9 minutes and I don't get bored of it then long is fine by me.
To be honest when I bought Brave New World, it took a while for a lot of the tracks on there to grab me, The Wicker Man did straight away, must be the intro, but I don't really class that as being the best song on there anymore, as I did when I first bought it. I need to listen to most of them a few times at least for them to really sink in.
By the way, it's near impossible to get any Dance of Death tracks, EMI (presumably) seem to have flooded fasttrack at least with fakes. Doesn't really bother me, I ripped the mp3s from my CD anyway, for my own purposes you understand.
Why is my connection so slow today ? :@ Oh well.
The thing is, the girl didn't even know she was doing something wrong.
She was just downloading, like the program showed her how to.
I doubt she was even warned of whether it was leagal or not.
And then some tw@ts try to sue her for 150 grand, and call a 2 grand fine a "let off!".
It's like putting the CD in the street, and arresting anyone who picks it up for "stealing" it.
So much for justice.
She was just downloading, like the program showed her how to.
I doubt she was even warned of whether it was leagal or not.
And then some tw@ts try to sue her for 150 grand, and call a 2 grand fine a "let off!".
It's like putting the CD in the street, and arresting anyone who picks it up for "stealing" it.
So much for justice.
Bob_The_Moose wrote:
> The reason the industy's getting so worried now is that the sheer
> amount of rubbish they're putting onto shelves just isn't selling,
> they blame this on file sharing, I blame this on sub standard music.
The thing is... overall places like Sony are reporting a rise on sales in their products... I for one download songs and buy the album on the strength of the songs downloaded... I buy more albums now because I get the oppertunity to not judge on a dodgy single release or just one single release that I thought was okay.
> There's also an extremely strong correlation between the artists
> whinging (sp?) about it, putting out rubbish.
> Now to make myself unpopular by putting Metallica under that
> catergory. They were the ones suing napster.
Metallica's worst mistake was getting angry with a file sharing system... Linkin Park is the same just they don't sue. Sum 41 I think mocked Metallica in their video for the "hell song".
> The artists creating listenable music don't seem to mind file sharing
> at all, and Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden delivered this speach
> before playing an unreleased song live
>
> "The album is not out yet, but please pull out your small
> digital recorders, MP3 players, cell phones or whatever you have. Put
> it on the Internet, spread it all over the world. But on one
> condition: When you hear the new album, if you like it, pay the
> equivalent of three beers to buy the record in the store. That is
> what keeps us alive. If you don't like the album, just forget it, we
> are not like Metallica."
Bruce and Maiden are legends in their own right... their songs are a tad long but I love them... All 3 maiden albums I have (2 live and Brave new world) are superb and I did download some tracks (originally dissapointed in Waisted Dreams... only to love it now)... and I love the songs and plan to buy the album when I get paid. Muse' album was leaked as well and I'm listening to it now... and it rules so I'll buy it.. I never originally planned to buy it. The consumer still loves the product... the companies should use file-sharing systems as a form of advertisement.
> My point being that he was for file sharing because he knew fans want
> to hear things before they buy them, no point paying out my hard
> earned 10 earth pounds to get an album with one decent track on with
> the rest fillers. He also knew that even after 25 years Maiden are
> still creating good music.
Maiden also don't need to make any more money and are now in it for the pure love of making music (they always were but money was always and issue too...).. Metallica still make millions each time... surly if you want to be the biggest band in the world you persuade people to download your tracks just for more recognition...
If Metallica had many a person downloading their songs they'd be fine... the album sales will still be strong with the massive metallica fan base plus they would have 10 times more fans as their music was more freely avalible... it means better ticket sales... more merchandise sales and overall more sales.
> Plus album prices are rediculous. £10 as an absolute maximum,
> and that should really have what someone suggested earlier, videos
> and other goodies on there.
if they can sell a single for 99p then they can sell an album for a fiver.
> This copy protections probably a bad idea too, as it's getting more
> complex, I hear more stories of people unable to actually play the
> CD's in their computers, and as this is the only CD player some
> people have, it's a discouragement. And it won't stop mp3's as it can
> be recorded directly through a sound card connected up to a cd
> player.
So many bands like the idea and so many bands get recognition this way that the idea that file-sharing can be stopped is ludicrous... with 99% of the public behind downloading music and the bands themselves conflicting...
You either unite or lose... Metallica and a handfull of others are fighting a losing battle.
> Feel free to flame me if you disagree with me.
Well I don't.
> The reason the industy's getting so worried now is that the sheer
> amount of rubbish they're putting onto shelves just isn't selling,
> they blame this on file sharing, I blame this on sub standard music.
The thing is... overall places like Sony are reporting a rise on sales in their products... I for one download songs and buy the album on the strength of the songs downloaded... I buy more albums now because I get the oppertunity to not judge on a dodgy single release or just one single release that I thought was okay.
> There's also an extremely strong correlation between the artists
> whinging (sp?) about it, putting out rubbish.
> Now to make myself unpopular by putting Metallica under that
> catergory. They were the ones suing napster.
Metallica's worst mistake was getting angry with a file sharing system... Linkin Park is the same just they don't sue. Sum 41 I think mocked Metallica in their video for the "hell song".
> The artists creating listenable music don't seem to mind file sharing
> at all, and Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden delivered this speach
> before playing an unreleased song live
>
> "The album is not out yet, but please pull out your small
> digital recorders, MP3 players, cell phones or whatever you have. Put
> it on the Internet, spread it all over the world. But on one
> condition: When you hear the new album, if you like it, pay the
> equivalent of three beers to buy the record in the store. That is
> what keeps us alive. If you don't like the album, just forget it, we
> are not like Metallica."
Bruce and Maiden are legends in their own right... their songs are a tad long but I love them... All 3 maiden albums I have (2 live and Brave new world) are superb and I did download some tracks (originally dissapointed in Waisted Dreams... only to love it now)... and I love the songs and plan to buy the album when I get paid. Muse' album was leaked as well and I'm listening to it now... and it rules so I'll buy it.. I never originally planned to buy it. The consumer still loves the product... the companies should use file-sharing systems as a form of advertisement.
> My point being that he was for file sharing because he knew fans want
> to hear things before they buy them, no point paying out my hard
> earned 10 earth pounds to get an album with one decent track on with
> the rest fillers. He also knew that even after 25 years Maiden are
> still creating good music.
Maiden also don't need to make any more money and are now in it for the pure love of making music (they always were but money was always and issue too...).. Metallica still make millions each time... surly if you want to be the biggest band in the world you persuade people to download your tracks just for more recognition...
If Metallica had many a person downloading their songs they'd be fine... the album sales will still be strong with the massive metallica fan base plus they would have 10 times more fans as their music was more freely avalible... it means better ticket sales... more merchandise sales and overall more sales.
> Plus album prices are rediculous. £10 as an absolute maximum,
> and that should really have what someone suggested earlier, videos
> and other goodies on there.
if they can sell a single for 99p then they can sell an album for a fiver.
> This copy protections probably a bad idea too, as it's getting more
> complex, I hear more stories of people unable to actually play the
> CD's in their computers, and as this is the only CD player some
> people have, it's a discouragement. And it won't stop mp3's as it can
> be recorded directly through a sound card connected up to a cd
> player.
So many bands like the idea and so many bands get recognition this way that the idea that file-sharing can be stopped is ludicrous... with 99% of the public behind downloading music and the bands themselves conflicting...
You either unite or lose... Metallica and a handfull of others are fighting a losing battle.
> Feel free to flame me if you disagree with me.
Well I don't.
On the plus side (for now anyway)...
http://zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/09112003g.php
http://zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/09112003g.php
Vincent Vega wrote:
> I mean legally download songs *ahem*
Naturally :)
> I mean legally download songs *ahem*
Naturally :)
Oh and I forgot to add that I did go out and buy the new Maiden album, day after it was releaed. (Went the first day but the guy in the shop said the shipment was late, and the only other place I could buy it from was HMV, and knowing them it'd be about £16 in there). And it rocks my socks. If anyone else likes them you'll be interested to learn they're gonna be on TOTP tommorow doing Wildest Dreams. Rumour has it they're going to be first, so hopefully we won't have to sit through half an hour of some unknown celebrity who thinks she's 'hip' introducing equally unknown bands.
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