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See if any of you can answer these.
1. Terry, a great chocoholic goes to Tesco and selects £9.50 worth of mars bars from the confectionary display. He queues at the checkout, however the queues are huge and he decides he is in a hurry, walks to the front of the queue, leaves £10 on the till and walks out of the shop. He does not speak to the checkout operator who only notices him as he leaves the building. In these circumstances is Terry guilty of theft?
A) Yes – even the willingness to pay for the chocolate does not negate liability for the offence.
B) Yes – he dishonestly appropriates the chocolate when he walks past the checkout.
C) No – he has not appropriated the chocolate within the meaning of the theft Act 1968
D) No – he has not acted dishonestly in these circumstances.
2. Belldandy, a local mischievous miscreant decides to go for an afternoon shoplifting session. He walks into his local supermarket with the intention of stealing a bottle of Toilet Duck to go with his dinner. He locates said item, removes it from the shelf and discreetly slips it into his purple flairs. He then quietly struts out whilst combing his quaff.
At what point does Bell commit theft?
A) When he enters the supermarket.
B) When he lifts the bottle off the shelf.
C) When he hides the bottle.
D) When he struts out of the shop without paying.
Go on, give em a go.
1. Terry, a great chocoholic goes to Tesco and selects £9.50 worth of mars bars from the confectionary display. He queues at the checkout, however the queues are huge and he decides he is in a hurry, walks to the front of the queue, leaves £10 on the till and walks out of the shop. He does not speak to the checkout operator who only notices him as he leaves the building. In these circumstances is Terry guilty of theft?
A) Yes – even the willingness to pay for the chocolate does not negate liability for the offence.
B) Yes – he dishonestly appropriates the chocolate when he walks past the checkout.
C) No – he has not appropriated the chocolate within the meaning of the theft Act 1968
D) No – he has not acted dishonestly in these circumstances.
2. Belldandy, a local mischievous miscreant decides to go for an afternoon shoplifting session. He walks into his local supermarket with the intention of stealing a bottle of Toilet Duck to go with his dinner. He locates said item, removes it from the shelf and discreetly slips it into his purple flairs. He then quietly struts out whilst combing his quaff.
At what point does Bell commit theft?
A) When he enters the supermarket.
B) When he lifts the bottle off the shelf.
C) When he hides the bottle.
D) When he struts out of the shop without paying.
Go on, give em a go.
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Yeah, the main aim of these 15 weeks is to give us some basic knowledge of law, how to fill in paperwork correctly, how to shout and hit people and when we can do so.
Then we have another 3 weeks of training back at force where we learn how to actually apply law practically and hit people with sticks and spray people with CS.
Then 10 weeks on the street with a tutor, we do stuff, he tells us if we do it wrong and so on.
Another few courses at our local HQ.
18 months probation and then, the thing I'm really looking forward to. A 3 weeks driving course.
Then we have another 3 weeks of training back at force where we learn how to actually apply law practically and hit people with sticks and spray people with CS.
Then 10 weeks on the street with a tutor, we do stuff, he tells us if we do it wrong and so on.
Another few courses at our local HQ.
18 months probation and then, the thing I'm really looking forward to. A 3 weeks driving course.
So they teach you stuff which has little practical application :P ?
Joking, I know what you mean.
They may as well take a bunch of you to a supermarket, stuff you all in the security room and do it that way.
Joking, I know what you mean.
They may as well take a bunch of you to a supermarket, stuff you all in the security room and do it that way.
Yes the questions do suck. They are based on knowing the definitions word for word, the correct answer is not necessarily the practical one.
Belldandy wrote:
> But I stole Toilet Duck,
I'm ringing the feds
> But I stole Toilet Duck,
I'm ringing the feds
even better, cctv footage was so dodgy they couldn't even tell that it was infact chocolate not toilet duck, your gonna get away with this one.
Ashley wrote:
> If belldandy had however been in his local boozer and told
> "bob" an undercover policeman who spends an unsurprisingly
> large quantity of his time in the said establishment; that:
>
> "today it is my intention to go down the supermarket and nick
> some chocolate, cos i'm skint"
But I stole Toilet Duck, not chocolate, hence no intent could be proven :P
> If belldandy had however been in his local boozer and told
> "bob" an undercover policeman who spends an unsurprisingly
> large quantity of his time in the said establishment; that:
>
> "today it is my intention to go down the supermarket and nick
> some chocolate, cos i'm skint"
But I stole Toilet Duck, not chocolate, hence no intent could be proven :P
i 2 he can only be arrested at point D though if he hasn't already stated his intention.
If belldandy had however been in his local boozer and told "bob" an undercover policeman who spends an unsurprisingly large quantity of his time in the said establishment; that:
"today it is my intention to go down the supermarket and nick some chocolate, cos i'm skint"
you might have some grounds for apprehending him at point B, You couldn't arrest him at point B unless there is actually proper grounds for you to suspect his intention. And that is usually confirmed by his action of walking out of the store.
If belldandy had however been in his local boozer and told "bob" an undercover policeman who spends an unsurprisingly large quantity of his time in the said establishment; that:
"today it is my intention to go down the supermarket and nick some chocolate, cos i'm skint"
you might have some grounds for apprehending him at point B, You couldn't arrest him at point B unless there is actually proper grounds for you to suspect his intention. And that is usually confirmed by his action of walking out of the store.
English_Bloke wrote:
> Black Glove wrote:
> English_Bloke wrote:
> For number 2 the answer is B.
>
> But what if he's only checking the price?
>
> No, if you read the question he has gone in with the intent to steal
> it. When he picks it up he dishonestly appropriates it.
How do you prove it ? Does he have a big glowing sign light up over his head saying "Intent" or something ? Until he's left the store with it no one would knick him. Even if B is the right answer, then your training sucks, when I worked in a store the police would never come out until a person actually left the store, even if they'd put something in a bag/pocket. Until they've left teh store, if you lift them they can just say they forgot to pay, absent minded etc.
> Black Glove wrote:
> English_Bloke wrote:
> For number 2 the answer is B.
>
> But what if he's only checking the price?
>
> No, if you read the question he has gone in with the intent to steal
> it. When he picks it up he dishonestly appropriates it.
How do you prove it ? Does he have a big glowing sign light up over his head saying "Intent" or something ? Until he's left the store with it no one would knick him. Even if B is the right answer, then your training sucks, when I worked in a store the police would never come out until a person actually left the store, even if they'd put something in a bag/pocket. Until they've left teh store, if you lift them they can just say they forgot to pay, absent minded etc.
1 - c
2 - c
2 - c
Mystique wrote:
> Yo momma
Yo Mystique. I haven't used that greeting in ages.
> Yo momma
Yo Mystique. I haven't used that greeting in ages.
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