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Well, maybe. I doubt it for some reason.
And part of me can't help but think it's all a ploy.
Well, maybe. I doubt it for some reason.
And part of me can't help but think it's all a ploy.
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Joking aside though, I'm absolutely disgusted that most reports have, if at all, mentioned the 14yr old kid that was killed as well.
Where's his picture over our newspaper?
Possibly not good PR though?
Mind you, taking 4 adults and a kid down with 200 troops, an attack helicopter and a humvee seems a little excessive, no?
Where's his picture over our newspaper?
Possibly not good PR though?
Mind you, taking 4 adults and a kid down with 200 troops, an attack helicopter and a humvee seems a little excessive, no?
Do you think they check who the guy who tipped them off is before giving him the cash.
"Thank you for your cash mr America. This will fund some more terroroism for a while"
Also if Hussein had so many so called dopplegangers who is to say his boys don't too?
"Thank you for your cash mr America. This will fund some more terroroism for a while"
Also if Hussein had so many so called dopplegangers who is to say his boys don't too?
I'm especially amused by the fact that this wasn't US intelligence that led them to this "victory for democracy", but instead was a multi-millon pound bribe resulting in a tip off.
Which is capitalism at it's finest.
"For justice, tell us where they are"
"No"
"For Yankee Dollars?"
"Sure thang!"
"Ayuh, West is best"
"Sure whatever, give me the green"
Which is capitalism at it's finest.
"For justice, tell us where they are"
"No"
"For Yankee Dollars?"
"Sure thang!"
"Ayuh, West is best"
"Sure whatever, give me the green"
Oh I dont know, seems a pretty realistic simulation of American military to me:
Spend ages planning carefully with little maps and arrows everywhere
Equip your team
Start the operation
Get bored with following the plan and proceed to shoot randomnly, even teamkilling when you're fidgety and waiting for the "delta-tangos" to make an appearance
Realise you've killed a team mate, say "Ah well" and go play something else.
Spend ages planning carefully with little maps and arrows everywhere
Equip your team
Start the operation
Get bored with following the plan and proceed to shoot randomnly, even teamkilling when you're fidgety and waiting for the "delta-tangos" to make an appearance
Realise you've killed a team mate, say "Ah well" and go play something else.
Goatboy wrote:
> What about Rainbow Six PC instruction booklets? They're cool as well.
But the game is unbelievably dire...
> What about Rainbow Six PC instruction booklets? They're cool as well.
But the game is unbelievably dire...
Practical Magic wrote:
> Kiriyama wrote:
> They're alive, I guarantee it.
>
> What have they actually done? :D
>
> Killed and ordered the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi's over
> their lives. Is that enough for you ?
Yep. Didn't know that.
> Kiriyama wrote:
> They're alive, I guarantee it.
>
> What have they actually done? :D
>
> Killed and ordered the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi's over
> their lives. Is that enough for you ?
Yep. Didn't know that.
What about Rainbow Six PC instruction booklets? They're cool as well.
Unbeliever wrote:
> Good god, man! I think I read the exact same passage in a Tom Clancy
> book once.
I doubt it, he concentrates more on wide scale conflict and politics behind it, or low level conflicts, only Rainbow Six really focused on operators.
Despite the ridicule of some here, Tom Clancy has actually written a series of factual books about the US Armed Services and has spent at least a year alongside members of each of them. None of this work has ever been shown as anything but truthful, and is indeed critical in many places. Other authors or reknown are Ralph Peters, Ken Connor, Peter Radcliffe, Bob Woodward, Stephen Dorril, David Shayler for his expose of the intelligence services in the UK, amongst many others. The least trustworthy accounts are those written by people such as Andy McNab, Chris Ryan et al which read more like fiction that real operations - notabloy "The Real Bravo Two Zero" book debunked many of their claims. One recommended book is Urgent Fury by Mark Adkin, a UK military advisor and observer during America's Grenada invasion, that details the failings, shortcomings, and general screw up that that operation was. For anyone that wants to find out about military operations there is a wealth of information freely available, obviously somethings are still secret.
> Good god, man! I think I read the exact same passage in a Tom Clancy
> book once.
I doubt it, he concentrates more on wide scale conflict and politics behind it, or low level conflicts, only Rainbow Six really focused on operators.
Despite the ridicule of some here, Tom Clancy has actually written a series of factual books about the US Armed Services and has spent at least a year alongside members of each of them. None of this work has ever been shown as anything but truthful, and is indeed critical in many places. Other authors or reknown are Ralph Peters, Ken Connor, Peter Radcliffe, Bob Woodward, Stephen Dorril, David Shayler for his expose of the intelligence services in the UK, amongst many others. The least trustworthy accounts are those written by people such as Andy McNab, Chris Ryan et al which read more like fiction that real operations - notabloy "The Real Bravo Two Zero" book debunked many of their claims. One recommended book is Urgent Fury by Mark Adkin, a UK military advisor and observer during America's Grenada invasion, that details the failings, shortcomings, and general screw up that that operation was. For anyone that wants to find out about military operations there is a wealth of information freely available, obviously somethings are still secret.
Goatboy wrote:
> I can possibly understand why they showed them on Arabic tv in Iraq,
> to prove to the citizens they had been killed.
> However, what I cannot condone is seeing them splashed all over our
> newspapers. That is pure ghoulism and something I find sickening.
I agree. The usual double standards are being applied by the Government/media and the two brothers martyrs is going to provoke retalitory responses, not assuade them.
> I can possibly understand why they showed them on Arabic tv in Iraq,
> to prove to the citizens they had been killed.
> However, what I cannot condone is seeing them splashed all over our
> newspapers. That is pure ghoulism and something I find sickening.
I agree. The usual double standards are being applied by the Government/media and the two brothers martyrs is going to provoke retalitory responses, not assuade them.
Practical Magic wrote:
> Unbeliever wrote:
> Methink you've been watching too much Platoon and Full Metal Jacket!
>
> No, it's proven. In a situation which requires direct, rapid entry
> into a hostile target the best tactic, assuming possible resistance,
> is to move fast, make the presence of weapons clear, rapidly shout
> orders and intentions to any possible resistance etc - it all acts to
> disorientate and confuse those in the target for a mission such as
> this. Take flashbangs, whilsts the detonation of them throws out a
> blinding white light the prime function is the detonation sound which
> screws up hearing - except in those deploying them if they have
> experience of them and protective headgear.
>
> If they had met heavier resistance then tactics change, depending on
> the situation they'd have moved in, clearing room to room, if there
> was a danger of any hostage being executed, or secured a perimeter and
> called in C130 Spectres - Hercules transport planes outfitted with
> mortars and gatling guns linked by target control systems - to
> suppress resistance, or Humvee TOW launchers. There's many options
> available to meet the situation but ANY operation in enemy territory
> is extremely dangerous no matter what intelligence says.
>
> Intelligence is frequently wrong as history proves.
Good god, man! I think I read the exact same passage in a Tom Clancy book once.
> Unbeliever wrote:
> Methink you've been watching too much Platoon and Full Metal Jacket!
>
> No, it's proven. In a situation which requires direct, rapid entry
> into a hostile target the best tactic, assuming possible resistance,
> is to move fast, make the presence of weapons clear, rapidly shout
> orders and intentions to any possible resistance etc - it all acts to
> disorientate and confuse those in the target for a mission such as
> this. Take flashbangs, whilsts the detonation of them throws out a
> blinding white light the prime function is the detonation sound which
> screws up hearing - except in those deploying them if they have
> experience of them and protective headgear.
>
> If they had met heavier resistance then tactics change, depending on
> the situation they'd have moved in, clearing room to room, if there
> was a danger of any hostage being executed, or secured a perimeter and
> called in C130 Spectres - Hercules transport planes outfitted with
> mortars and gatling guns linked by target control systems - to
> suppress resistance, or Humvee TOW launchers. There's many options
> available to meet the situation but ANY operation in enemy territory
> is extremely dangerous no matter what intelligence says.
>
> Intelligence is frequently wrong as history proves.
Good god, man! I think I read the exact same passage in a Tom Clancy book once.
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