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A while ago I read about a group of Iraqi asylum seekers who had attacked four royal marines whilst they were returning to their barracks.
One of the iraqis pulled out a knife and stabbed one of the marines, so the another marines obviously try to defend their mate who had just been stabbed.
The marines were holding a *kit sale* that day and this was to auction off for charity their dead mates stuff (he had died in a copter crash in Iraq).
Anyways one of the Asylum seekers has put in a complaint against a marine because the marine had assaulted him - even though he was part of the group that had ambushed the marines and he had been arrested two days before for carrying a knife.
What SHOULD happened is the Iraqis should be kicked out the country straight away and the complaint against the marine dropped. What WILL happen is the Iraqi will get a few grand for all the distress that has occured to him and the marine will proberbly be up for a court Martial.
We will have to wait and see what happens.
One of the iraqis pulled out a knife and stabbed one of the marines, so the another marines obviously try to defend their mate who had just been stabbed.
The marines were holding a *kit sale* that day and this was to auction off for charity their dead mates stuff (he had died in a copter crash in Iraq).
Anyways one of the Asylum seekers has put in a complaint against a marine because the marine had assaulted him - even though he was part of the group that had ambushed the marines and he had been arrested two days before for carrying a knife.
What SHOULD happened is the Iraqis should be kicked out the country straight away and the complaint against the marine dropped. What WILL happen is the Iraqi will get a few grand for all the distress that has occured to him and the marine will proberbly be up for a court Martial.
We will have to wait and see what happens.
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Cubist wrote:
They weren't
> collecting weapons of mass destruction, chemicals etc for display
> purposes only.
They weren't collecting any at all as far as I'm concerned. Has one shred of evidence been found anywhere that links Iraq and Husseins regime to procurement or manufactor of WoMD?
They weren't
> collecting weapons of mass destruction, chemicals etc for display
> purposes only.
They weren't collecting any at all as far as I'm concerned. Has one shred of evidence been found anywhere that links Iraq and Husseins regime to procurement or manufactor of WoMD?
Cubist wrote:
Hitler murdered people... when they were defencless and had done nothing
> wrong.
Which is exactly would happen to thousands of Iraqis if we "Levelled their cities from a distance and with no soldiers killed". What you're saying is that British and American blood is more important than Iraqi blood. And that's what makes you an imbecile.
>The Iraqis have already bombed us, shot us etc etc .
Do you have *ANY* evidence of this *AT ALL*?
Hitler murdered people... when they were defencless and had done nothing
> wrong.
Which is exactly would happen to thousands of Iraqis if we "Levelled their cities from a distance and with no soldiers killed". What you're saying is that British and American blood is more important than Iraqi blood. And that's what makes you an imbecile.
>The Iraqis have already bombed us, shot us etc etc .
Do you have *ANY* evidence of this *AT ALL*?
My point exactly! They aren't appreciating what we've done and they start riots in the streets with soldiers and terrorists still do bombings etc. If they don't wont help then don't give it. Bomb them and be done with it. Much simpler less casualties on our side and DON'T! say that the Iraqis wouldn't do that to us. They weren't collecting weapons of mass destruction, chemicals etc for display purposes only. They didn't find any whole weapons to my knowledge but that doesn't mean they aren't there or where there.
Cubist wrote:
> The Iraqis have already bombed us, shot us etc etc . We have to
> accept that they aren't going to play nice so we are going to have to
> play hard ball too.
The Iraquis have NOT done anything. You are making a mass generalisation. It is like sating that because the jews persecuted Jesus, then the holocaust is justified. Saddam Hussain is the evil one- not the Iraqi people.
Reports have shown that the Iraqis feel that Iraq is LESS safe now than under the dictatorship of Hussain and that they believe that the USA is just after oil. Wow, they are not ignorant after all, are they?
> The Iraqis have already bombed us, shot us etc etc . We have to
> accept that they aren't going to play nice so we are going to have to
> play hard ball too.
The Iraquis have NOT done anything. You are making a mass generalisation. It is like sating that because the jews persecuted Jesus, then the holocaust is justified. Saddam Hussain is the evil one- not the Iraqi people.
Reports have shown that the Iraqis feel that Iraq is LESS safe now than under the dictatorship of Hussain and that they believe that the USA is just after oil. Wow, they are not ignorant after all, are they?
America and Britain Vs Iraq and whatever they can muster... Ohhhh 2 super powers against a severely weakened army.
And as for everyone saying that's as bad as Hitler and Saddam I just want to say what History class did they go to? Hitler murdered people in concentration camps when they were defencless and had done nothing wrong. The Iraqis have already bombed us, shot us etc etc . We have to accept that they aren't going to play nice so we are going to have to play hard ball too.
P.s. Saddam attacked us when we hadn't down anything to them so if we levelled there cities then okay it wouldn't be a proportionate response but a quick and effective one.
And as for everyone saying that's as bad as Hitler and Saddam I just want to say what History class did they go to? Hitler murdered people in concentration camps when they were defencless and had done nothing wrong. The Iraqis have already bombed us, shot us etc etc . We have to accept that they aren't going to play nice so we are going to have to play hard ball too.
P.s. Saddam attacked us when we hadn't down anything to them so if we levelled there cities then okay it wouldn't be a proportionate response but a quick and effective one.
Oh brilliance Cubist ! Level their cities from miles away ! Superb thinking... If anyone wants an example as to why I said public opinion means jack all in this country then here it is.
If we did as you suggest then we would be no better than Saddam himself, even Hitler. You cannot just flatten everything in your path.
Not to mention that doing so would precipitate a new regional conflict - and trust me, if a war starts in the middle east with more than two countries you'll bl**dy well care about it then.
If we did as you suggest then we would be no better than Saddam himself, even Hitler. You cannot just flatten everything in your path.
Not to mention that doing so would precipitate a new regional conflict - and trust me, if a war starts in the middle east with more than two countries you'll bl**dy well care about it then.
That's all well and good but sometimes actions speak louder than words and no matter how heartless it seems we would have lost no casualties and wouldn't even be thinking about Iraq if we had just stayed out of their business. Britain and America have their own problems to solve before the go and police the world. Yes they need revenge for September 11th but they should have done it with less p1$$1ng about. We still haven't got Osama but how did we kill Saddam? Oh yeah a missile. We could have fired that missile from miles away. Our troops were totally uneeded but went anyway. We should have just levelled their cities from a distance. We did anyway just lost the lives of many soldiers in the process.
Cubist wrote:
> or the Daily Mail etc
Ahem.
> or the Daily Mail etc
Ahem.
Cubist wrote:
I oppose dictatorship but as the bible says
> God helps he whom helps himself and if the Iraqis are going to follow
> their religion of killing us "white devils" then I think we
> should follow ours and leave them to help themselves.
Which Iraqis are killing us 'white devils?' You are getting Iraqis mixed up with 'Islamic extremists.' Islamic extremists twist the Koran (sp?) to their own evil motives and take only what suits them from their Holy Book (just as Christian fundamentalists/extremists do with the Bible) The religion of Islam promotes kindness and understanding and many of the claims that the extremists profess are taken well out of context.
P.S. Not sure if "God helps he whom helps himself" is said in the Bible, if it is then surely it would be "God helps he who helps himself" ;-) However, the Bible should not always be taken literally based one a single quote. As Ghandi said 'If we all lived by the rule "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" The whole world would be blind and toothless' (paraphrased!)
Some more Biblical thoughts for Cubist:
"Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good."
--Romans 12:21
"Don't forget to be kind to strangers. For some who have done this have entertained angels without realizing it."
--Hebrews 13:2
There are many more!
I oppose dictatorship but as the bible says
> God helps he whom helps himself and if the Iraqis are going to follow
> their religion of killing us "white devils" then I think we
> should follow ours and leave them to help themselves.
Which Iraqis are killing us 'white devils?' You are getting Iraqis mixed up with 'Islamic extremists.' Islamic extremists twist the Koran (sp?) to their own evil motives and take only what suits them from their Holy Book (just as Christian fundamentalists/extremists do with the Bible) The religion of Islam promotes kindness and understanding and many of the claims that the extremists profess are taken well out of context.
P.S. Not sure if "God helps he whom helps himself" is said in the Bible, if it is then surely it would be "God helps he who helps himself" ;-) However, the Bible should not always be taken literally based one a single quote. As Ghandi said 'If we all lived by the rule "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" The whole world would be blind and toothless' (paraphrased!)
Some more Biblical thoughts for Cubist:
"Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good."
--Romans 12:21
"Don't forget to be kind to strangers. For some who have done this have entertained angels without realizing it."
--Hebrews 13:2
There are many more!
What's funny about that? I'm sure they must have websites.
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