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Bit of Philosophy for you
The Bible claims God is:
All powerful (omnipotent)
All knowing (omniscient)
All loving
everywhere at once (omnipresent)
However because of the existence of pain the bibles version of god can only be three of the four things.
either Gods not all powerful (eg. can't stop pain)
not all knowing (doesn't know how to stop all pain)
not all loving (he couldn't care less)
not everywhere at once (cannot get to everywhere pain is)
What do you reckon? I don't exactly believe in God but its an interesting discussion.
The Bible claims God is:
All powerful (omnipotent)
All knowing (omniscient)
All loving
everywhere at once (omnipresent)
However because of the existence of pain the bibles version of god can only be three of the four things.
either Gods not all powerful (eg. can't stop pain)
not all knowing (doesn't know how to stop all pain)
not all loving (he couldn't care less)
not everywhere at once (cannot get to everywhere pain is)
What do you reckon? I don't exactly believe in God but its an interesting discussion.
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Untitled wrote:
> why does he have to stop pain to be all knowing and all
> powerfull????
>
>
> d1ck!
Read it all. Read it again. Understand. Digest. Realise what a moron you were. Then come back and discuss properly.
Oh and swear like a man and not a six yearold
> why does he have to stop pain to be all knowing and all
> powerfull????
>
>
> d1ck!
Read it all. Read it again. Understand. Digest. Realise what a moron you were. Then come back and discuss properly.
Oh and swear like a man and not a six yearold
Hedfix wrote:
> 'God is dead' Very Nietszchean.
"Nietszche is Dead" - God
> 'God is dead' Very Nietszchean.
"Nietszche is Dead" - God
why does he have to stop pain to be all knowing and all powerfull????
d1ck!
d1ck!
gerrid wrote:
> Do you not consider the idea that perhaps there is a greater purpoe to
> allowing us pain, that perhaps it is pain that allows us to love, or
> something similar.
> You take the assumption that pain = bad.
Yes the argument I presented did.
A philosopher suggested that something could be thought of as good if it does what it was intended to do. A lion which is supposed to kill antelope is good as it fulfils its purpose. Therefore something we understand as 'bad' may infact be good. SARS may be good if it is doing what is intended to do. Our perception of good and bad is based on how things affect us. Mankinds definition of 'good' and 'bad' is not necessarily the true definition.
However if there is one true purpose to things: What is mans true purpose or is there a different purpose for everyone. How do you make all the right choices to be truly 'good'.
Free will its a B*tch
> Do you not consider the idea that perhaps there is a greater purpoe to
> allowing us pain, that perhaps it is pain that allows us to love, or
> something similar.
> You take the assumption that pain = bad.
Yes the argument I presented did.
A philosopher suggested that something could be thought of as good if it does what it was intended to do. A lion which is supposed to kill antelope is good as it fulfils its purpose. Therefore something we understand as 'bad' may infact be good. SARS may be good if it is doing what is intended to do. Our perception of good and bad is based on how things affect us. Mankinds definition of 'good' and 'bad' is not necessarily the true definition.
However if there is one true purpose to things: What is mans true purpose or is there a different purpose for everyone. How do you make all the right choices to be truly 'good'.
Free will its a B*tch
God could be all four of those things, and love humans so much he respects them enough to give them free will, thus allowing violence to happen to them and reward them in the afterlife.
But I don't believe in God.
But I don't believe in God.
Do you not consider the idea that perhaps there is a greater purpoe to allowing us pain, that perhaps it is pain that allows us to love, or something similar.
You take the assumption that pain = bad.
You take the assumption that pain = bad.
'God is dead' Very Nietszchean.
I am the ubermeich!
I am the ubermeich!
Hedfix wrote:
> so he's not all-loving then? Makes sense.
How about this for a thought: within every act of cruelty [evil], God is present and suffers because of it. And with every act of evil, God becomes less and less powerful until one day He ceases to exist.
The wars and bloodshed of the 20th century have finished Him off. Humans are now forever on their own. God is dead. He died because of man's inhumanity to man. Satan is the king of the world.
Of course, I'm just messin' ;)
> so he's not all-loving then? Makes sense.
How about this for a thought: within every act of cruelty [evil], God is present and suffers because of it. And with every act of evil, God becomes less and less powerful until one day He ceases to exist.
The wars and bloodshed of the 20th century have finished Him off. Humans are now forever on their own. God is dead. He died because of man's inhumanity to man. Satan is the king of the world.
Of course, I'm just messin' ;)
The only thing that would make this conversation different is if it was properly debated. By that I mean that posts such as "it's rubbish" or "it's all true" don't count.
However, Goatboy's points are also valid, we will never know the answers for sure unless one of us comes back from the dead, even then there would be at least one person who wouldn't believe them.
"Hey I'm back from the dead and guess what, there isn't a heaven."
"Don't believe him, he's been sent from the devil."
"You'll all burn for this...what a world...what a world."
and so on...
However, Goatboy's points are also valid, we will never know the answers for sure unless one of us comes back from the dead, even then there would be at least one person who wouldn't believe them.
"Hey I'm back from the dead and guess what, there isn't a heaven."
"Don't believe him, he's been sent from the devil."
"You'll all burn for this...what a world...what a world."
and so on...
Rosalind wrote:
> I dunno Its a pretty good story as works of fiction go.
that true never thought that way
> I dunno Its a pretty good story as works of fiction go.
that true never thought that way
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