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Popularirty is exactly the right scale for measuring if things are "good" in this case. How can it not be?
We are not talking about things that can be measured (like fast food nutritional value) but art and entertainment. This is all personal preference.
I kind of just feel like your attitude is "Anyone who likes things I think are rubbish is below my intellect, or are grossly misinformed/mistaken", which is pretty much what most of these type of discussions desolve in to in public debate.
EDIT: Got through 50 seconds of that... I did good?
We are not talking about things that can be measured (like fast food nutritional value) but art and entertainment. This is all personal preference.
I kind of just feel like your attitude is "Anyone who likes things I think are rubbish is below my intellect, or are grossly misinformed/mistaken", which is pretty much what most of these type of discussions desolve in to in public debate.
EDIT: Got through 50 seconds of that... I did good?
Warhunt wrote:
And I think pb is right to be honest. Most people who despise him probably have not heard his stuff, and just hate because it's become "common" to do so.
You do decent people a disservice. I hate him because (and I'm going to try and do this without alerting the forum filter) he is a spoilt, prissy little b***h with a poor attitude and nowhere near enough talent to justify his planet sized ego. I'm generally against using violence against kids but I'd strangle him with his own vocal cords.
Oh and obviously I have to post this
And I think pb is right to be honest. Most people who despise him probably have not heard his stuff, and just hate because it's become "common" to do so.
You do decent people a disservice. I hate him because (and I'm going to try and do this without alerting the forum filter) he is a spoilt, prissy little b***h with a poor attitude and nowhere near enough talent to justify his planet sized ego. I'm generally against using violence against kids but I'd strangle him with his own vocal cords.
Oh and obviously I have to post this
OK, so we all seem to agree that Bieber sucks, he's popular but he still sucks.
pb, perhaps his fans are not just all teeny girls?, someone is buying his records, merch and went to see his 3D movie in the summer. Some people seem to think most metal fans are between 15-25, male & all white. I've been to many metal gigs and I can tell you that is totally not true, just like I doubt that all Steps & Kylie fans are gay.
pb, perhaps his fans are not just all teeny girls?, someone is buying his records, merch and went to see his 3D movie in the summer. Some people seem to think most metal fans are between 15-25, male & all white. I've been to many metal gigs and I can tell you that is totally not true, just like I doubt that all Steps & Kylie fans are gay.
Warhunt wrote:
My main point is at what point does something become widely accepted as good or bad? Millions of fans go mad for him. Is that not enough to make him good regardless of our views? It's subjective, but...
He wouldn't be as big as he is if he wasn't popular. Simple as.
The majority of people in this world are of average intelligence. I would never use popularity as indication of quality
Twilight
McDonald's
Apple products
The X Factor
I acknowledge that there's a high level of subjectivity when it comes to what is "good" and what isn't. However, people just use this an excuse to throw proverbial feces at me. Are Burnley a better team than Manchester United? They are worlds apart in terms of achievement but apparently everything's subjective so it could go either way. I wish people would just accept that there are some objective criteria you can use to compare things. I would go as far as saying for instance that McDonalds is an objectively bad food. Little nutritional value coupled with negative health effects are the exactly the opposite of what food is traditionally used for in nature and contrary to the very definition of the word food itself
My main point is at what point does something become widely accepted as good or bad? Millions of fans go mad for him. Is that not enough to make him good regardless of our views? It's subjective, but...
He wouldn't be as big as he is if he wasn't popular. Simple as.
The majority of people in this world are of average intelligence. I would never use popularity as indication of quality
Twilight
McDonald's
Apple products
The X Factor
I acknowledge that there's a high level of subjectivity when it comes to what is "good" and what isn't. However, people just use this an excuse to throw proverbial feces at me. Are Burnley a better team than Manchester United? They are worlds apart in terms of achievement but apparently everything's subjective so it could go either way. I wish people would just accept that there are some objective criteria you can use to compare things. I would go as far as saying for instance that McDonalds is an objectively bad food. Little nutritional value coupled with negative health effects are the exactly the opposite of what food is traditionally used for in nature and contrary to the very definition of the word food itself
His music is awful in my opinion. Just getting that clear.
And I think pb is right to be honest. Most people who despise him probably have not heard his stuff, and just hate because it's become "common" to do so.
My main point is at what point does something become widely accepted as good or bad? Millions of fans go mad for him. Is that not enough to make him good regardless of our views? It's subjective, but...
He wouldn't be as big as he is if he wasn't popular. Simple as.
And I think pb is right to be honest. Most people who despise him probably have not heard his stuff, and just hate because it's become "common" to do so.
My main point is at what point does something become widely accepted as good or bad? Millions of fans go mad for him. Is that not enough to make him good regardless of our views? It's subjective, but...
He wouldn't be as big as he is if he wasn't popular. Simple as.
I certainly don't want him dead. No-one's forcing me to listen to his songs but if they start coming on at the gym, I'll probably complain. The playlist is already awful
pete_21 wrote:
Warhunt wrote:
[i]How is having millions of fans not really being good? 0_o
Justin Bieber has millions of fans worldwide yet the general opinion is that he is rubbish. Even people who usually like his kind of music think he is rubbish. But he has millions of fans, so surely he must actually be very talented?.............. and not rubbish? :S[/i]
That's usually down to envy or 'going with the general consensus for fear of not fitting in'
Alternatively, the millions of fans are of a certain group that his music appeals to, something like...oh, I don't know...teenage girls.
Warhunt wrote:
[i]How is having millions of fans not really being good? 0_o
Justin Bieber has millions of fans worldwide yet the general opinion is that he is rubbish. Even people who usually like his kind of music think he is rubbish. But he has millions of fans, so surely he must actually be very talented?.............. and not rubbish? :S[/i]
That's usually down to envy or 'going with the general consensus for fear of not fitting in'
Alternatively, the millions of fans are of a certain group that his music appeals to, something like...oh, I don't know...teenage girls.
I would rather have 1000 people think I was brilliant than 100 million wanting me dead.
Such is the life of the worst canadian in existence.
Such is the life of the worst canadian in existence.
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