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Later today I see a specialist to find out what is wrong with me. At this point I'm getting rather nervous about what he is going to say to me. Its a shame that it isn't tomorrow, because by tomorrow I will know what he said to me. And I will know what he said to me for the rest of my life (providing I don't forget). If this evening my specialist tells me what is wrong with me then that fact will be the truth for the rest of my life.
Hold on though. If what he tells me is the truth tomorrow, then isn;t it also true that what he tells me was the truth today as well. And if that is true, then it was also true the day before that, and the day before that too. In fact, it must have been true the day before I was born. In which case, it has always been true and will always be true.
It doesn't take a great jump of reasoning from here for me to realise that this is true of any event. In which case, everything that is going to happen, was going to happen since the beginning of time. (if there was a beginning of time, something else that I'm struggling to get my head around).
Does that mean then, that everything then is predetermined. It must do surely. And this makes me very uncomfortable.
Hold on though. If what he tells me is the truth tomorrow, then isn;t it also true that what he tells me was the truth today as well. And if that is true, then it was also true the day before that, and the day before that too. In fact, it must have been true the day before I was born. In which case, it has always been true and will always be true.
It doesn't take a great jump of reasoning from here for me to realise that this is true of any event. In which case, everything that is going to happen, was going to happen since the beginning of time. (if there was a beginning of time, something else that I'm struggling to get my head around).
Does that mean then, that everything then is predetermined. It must do surely. And this makes me very uncomfortable.
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This is one of the things that I have most difficulty with.
* Oh ho - Flanders is going into religious mode *
Apparantley God knows everything that we will do - he knows if and when we will turn to him and like I did become a .. *Shout from the rafters * "Born again Christian" ( That term is vastly over and incorrectly used ) - it actually means being baptised in the Holy Spirit.
Yet we also apparantly have free will to choose ?
It does my head in time and time again - Am I making this choice or not ? - has the choice already been made for me ?
Arrghhh..
* need caffiene *
* Oh ho - Flanders is going into religious mode *
Apparantley God knows everything that we will do - he knows if and when we will turn to him and like I did become a .. *Shout from the rafters * "Born again Christian" ( That term is vastly over and incorrectly used ) - it actually means being baptised in the Holy Spirit.
Yet we also apparantly have free will to choose ?
It does my head in time and time again - Am I making this choice or not ? - has the choice already been made for me ?
Arrghhh..
* need caffiene *
Dr Duck wrote:
> Although, of course, just because your football team won yesterday, it
> doesn't mean they'll always win, or even that they'll win next
> saturday.
>
> Not sure, but I get the impression you may like to keep that in mind.
That isn't really releveant. I'm talking about one event. It could be any event really.
> Although, of course, just because your football team won yesterday, it
> doesn't mean they'll always win, or even that they'll win next
> saturday.
>
> Not sure, but I get the impression you may like to keep that in mind.
That isn't really releveant. I'm talking about one event. It could be any event really.
Although, of course, just because your football team won yesterday, it doesn't mean they'll always win, or even that they'll win next saturday.
Not sure, but I get the impression you may like to keep that in mind.
Not sure, but I get the impression you may like to keep that in mind.
I'm not saying I believe in fate or destiny.
But say that your favorite football team is playing a game tomorrow, and you really want them to win. At some point tomorrow they will either win or lose (or draw, or whatever). Lets say that they win.
At somepoint tomorrow your team winning becomes true. It will then always be true that they won that particular game. What I am trying to asertain is, if it is true at a cerain point tomorrow, and then true for ever more after that, is it true today. Why can't I know the outcome of the match today?
Today that outcome is in the future. The day after tomorrow it will be in the past. Is it just our experiance of that result that makes the futyre cahnge into the past.
I would like to compare to if you had recorded the match and watched it the day after tomorrow then you wouldn't know the result until you watched the video. But the result has still been decided and its true even though you don't know it. Is it just your experiance of watching the tape that makes that result true for you, or was it true before that?
I'm rambling, and I think I've lost the plot.
But say that your favorite football team is playing a game tomorrow, and you really want them to win. At some point tomorrow they will either win or lose (or draw, or whatever). Lets say that they win.
At somepoint tomorrow your team winning becomes true. It will then always be true that they won that particular game. What I am trying to asertain is, if it is true at a cerain point tomorrow, and then true for ever more after that, is it true today. Why can't I know the outcome of the match today?
Today that outcome is in the future. The day after tomorrow it will be in the past. Is it just our experiance of that result that makes the futyre cahnge into the past.
I would like to compare to if you had recorded the match and watched it the day after tomorrow then you wouldn't know the result until you watched the video. But the result has still been decided and its true even though you don't know it. Is it just your experiance of watching the tape that makes that result true for you, or was it true before that?
I'm rambling, and I think I've lost the plot.
Our genes influence our abilities and potential, so in some respects fate [or whatever you want to call it] does play a part in who we are and the limitations of what we are capable of.
But truths change.
What is true today in some cases is not necessarily true tomorrow,
or was not necessarily true yesterday.
I don't believe in fate,
but more that that I don't believe there is any sense in arguing this argument.
Hypocritically, I shall now tell you why.
The idea of having a fate or a destiny is an irrefutable theory. It can tell us absolutely nothing about life, about the world we live in, because no matter what the outcome the answer is always "ahh, but that was fate." or "ahh, but you were destined to do that."
Either you can persue your wants and dreams, and you might get them, and that will be your destiny, or you can not persue them, and you might not get them, and that would also be your destiny.
No matter whether the whole of time is scripted you still have to live it. You might as well live it how you want to.
What is true today in some cases is not necessarily true tomorrow,
or was not necessarily true yesterday.
I don't believe in fate,
but more that that I don't believe there is any sense in arguing this argument.
Hypocritically, I shall now tell you why.
The idea of having a fate or a destiny is an irrefutable theory. It can tell us absolutely nothing about life, about the world we live in, because no matter what the outcome the answer is always "ahh, but that was fate." or "ahh, but you were destined to do that."
Either you can persue your wants and dreams, and you might get them, and that will be your destiny, or you can not persue them, and you might not get them, and that would also be your destiny.
No matter whether the whole of time is scripted you still have to live it. You might as well live it how you want to.
I personally dont believe in predetermination any more than I do a god.
That notion robs you of free will and independant actions. If your path is set from the beginning, then why bother to go to school/get a job etc, why not just simply sit back and let it all happen?
Another more cynical view is that those that go out and take what they want end up happy instead of just accepting their lot in life and thinking "It was meant to be".
The only 2 certainties are being born and dying.
The bits inbetween are absolutely, 100% up to you and the choices you make and take.
That notion robs you of free will and independant actions. If your path is set from the beginning, then why bother to go to school/get a job etc, why not just simply sit back and let it all happen?
Another more cynical view is that those that go out and take what they want end up happy instead of just accepting their lot in life and thinking "It was meant to be".
The only 2 certainties are being born and dying.
The bits inbetween are absolutely, 100% up to you and the choices you make and take.
Later today I see a specialist to find out what is wrong with me. At this point I'm getting rather nervous about what he is going to say to me. Its a shame that it isn't tomorrow, because by tomorrow I will know what he said to me. And I will know what he said to me for the rest of my life (providing I don't forget). If this evening my specialist tells me what is wrong with me then that fact will be the truth for the rest of my life.
Hold on though. If what he tells me is the truth tomorrow, then isn;t it also true that what he tells me was the truth today as well. And if that is true, then it was also true the day before that, and the day before that too. In fact, it must have been true the day before I was born. In which case, it has always been true and will always be true.
It doesn't take a great jump of reasoning from here for me to realise that this is true of any event. In which case, everything that is going to happen, was going to happen since the beginning of time. (if there was a beginning of time, something else that I'm struggling to get my head around).
Does that mean then, that everything then is predetermined. It must do surely. And this makes me very uncomfortable.
Hold on though. If what he tells me is the truth tomorrow, then isn;t it also true that what he tells me was the truth today as well. And if that is true, then it was also true the day before that, and the day before that too. In fact, it must have been true the day before I was born. In which case, it has always been true and will always be true.
It doesn't take a great jump of reasoning from here for me to realise that this is true of any event. In which case, everything that is going to happen, was going to happen since the beginning of time. (if there was a beginning of time, something else that I'm struggling to get my head around).
Does that mean then, that everything then is predetermined. It must do surely. And this makes me very uncomfortable.
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