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"Eternal truths."

Later today I see a specialist to find out what is wrong with me. At this point I'm getting rather nervous about what he is going to say to me. Its a shame that it isn't tomorrow, because by tomorrow I will know what he said to me. And I will know what he said to me for the rest of my life (providing I don't forget). If this evening my specialist tells me what is wrong with me then that fact will be the truth for the rest of my life.

Hold on though. If what he tells me is the truth tomorrow, then isn;t it also true that what he tells me was the truth today as well. And if that is true, then it was also true the day before that, and the day before that too. In fact, it must have been true the day before I was born. In which case, it has always been true and will always be true.

It doesn't take a great jump of reasoning from here for me to realise that this is true of any event. In which case, everything that is going to happen, was going to happen since the beginning of time. (if there was a beginning of time, something else that I'm struggling to get my head around).

Does that mean then, that everything then is predetermined. It must do surely. And this makes me very uncomfortable.

Basically, my understanding of what you were saying was that something is true even before it has happened, because it is going to happen one day. I disagree; personally I believe in free will, not predestination. It is true that I broke my arm. It would not have been true had I not played football that day. It is true that you went to see the specialist, but there is no way of proving that you were always predestined to be in the situation that you felt the need to go and see that specialist. That event is the result of both choices you have made and events outside of your control.

Well...that's my theory anyway. And I still say it's very strong of you to have the courage to go and see him.

Light wrote:
> Your reasoning assumes that what you are told by the specialist
> carries the irrefutable weight of absolute truth. Truth is a relative
> term, and if we accept it's relativity then it is easy to accept free
> will.

What my specialist has told me may not be the truth. What is true however is that he did tell me the things that he did, which was the truth that I meant.

I guess its easier if you use the second example I posted, that of a football match result.

For example, it is true that I once broke my arm. 8 years ago,
> that was not true at all. The truth is relative to the person and to
> the situation.
>

I don't understand this sentance, could you explain please.

Your reasoning assumes that what you are told by the specialist carries the irrefutable weight of absolute truth. Truth is a relative term, and if we accept it's relativity then it is easy to accept free will. For example, it is true that I once broke my arm. 8 years ago, that was not true at all. The truth is relative to the person and to the situation.

Anyway, good luck at the specialists.

Ok, I give up. But in the future if your not feeling all that calm and you have some time too spare, go for a run...it will remind you of me:)

(do I win yet?)

English_Bloke wrote:
> Um...ok, you could...run to the specialist.

Its over an hours drive away.

Um...ok, you could...run to the specialist.

English_Bloke wrote:
> Well you don't have to go right now, you could go later...after work.

Um. After work I have to see the specilist, which is the reson that I'm not calm.....

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Well you don't have to go right now, you could go later...after work.