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There doesn't seem to be a topic anywhere in these forums where we can discuss that michael jackson program last night :0(
So here it is :-D
I'll start the ball rolling with this comment;
Jackson's a freak. Simple as that, the program hasn't done him any favour at all and contrary to the point of it has destroyed his reputation as a person. However, undeniably, as an artist he's still amazing...
Comments?
So here it is :-D
I'll start the ball rolling with this comment;
Jackson's a freak. Simple as that, the program hasn't done him any favour at all and contrary to the point of it has destroyed his reputation as a person. However, undeniably, as an artist he's still amazing...
Comments?
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LOL Dr. Gonzo, You bit about the kids and halloween cracked me up. I'd take my hat off if I was wearing one, but I'm not so erm. . . eat some eggs.
WoRd.
Anyhoo, I like him, always have done always will do...well only his old stuff.
*Moonwalks*
Anyhoo, I like him, always have done always will do...well only his old stuff.
*Moonwalks*
If any legal action is taken, he can no doubt defend it all with the line...
"I am Peter Pan"
"I am Peter Pan"
I liked the Thriller album
Firstly, Bashir is a fool who can never be called a journalist. Much like the current fad for entertainment journalism with Michael Moore and Mark Thomas - they start out with a point to prove and then simply ignore everything that goes against what they're saying and exaggerate or make leaps of logic to connect other facts to their point.
Secondly, thousands of people lye about plastic surgery - this does not make them insane.
Thirdly, no, social services would never be conserned about his kids. The defining factors are health and money. They ARE healthy and well provided for therefore they wouldn't even bother looking deeper.
Fourthly, the masks which everyone is making such a big deal out of. Michael was beaten by a father than pushed him into the public eye, that's the parental experience he has to decied how he'll deal with his kids. Clearly, it was pretty awful for him so he tries to do the complete opposite i.e. protect the kids from the media and make himself a friend rather than agressor to them. Apparently the kids will be psychologically damaged by wearing the masks in public... has no one heard of Halloween?
Finally, the kids in his bed is very wierd... but Bashir has made the most out of it. There are guest houses in Neverland where the kids would normally stay with their parents. However, ONE SLEPT IN HIS BED!!! But he apparently wasn't there... and the kid didn't seem too fussed about it. Why would someone who's undergone serious child sex alligations in the past admit to this sort of thing is the real question? Well, because he doesn't understand that what he is doing in wrong. Much like many convicted paedophiles think that the kids want/like their interactions. They don't understand the taboo either and think they are just one of the kids. Granted, this by no means results in the conclusion that he did anything wrong, but some people seem to be using arguments for him that a criminal profiler would use against him.
At the end of the day, espically with the last point, Bashir's documentary was made to shock and get headlines, not give a fair and balanced view of the facts.
Secondly, thousands of people lye about plastic surgery - this does not make them insane.
Thirdly, no, social services would never be conserned about his kids. The defining factors are health and money. They ARE healthy and well provided for therefore they wouldn't even bother looking deeper.
Fourthly, the masks which everyone is making such a big deal out of. Michael was beaten by a father than pushed him into the public eye, that's the parental experience he has to decied how he'll deal with his kids. Clearly, it was pretty awful for him so he tries to do the complete opposite i.e. protect the kids from the media and make himself a friend rather than agressor to them. Apparently the kids will be psychologically damaged by wearing the masks in public... has no one heard of Halloween?
Finally, the kids in his bed is very wierd... but Bashir has made the most out of it. There are guest houses in Neverland where the kids would normally stay with their parents. However, ONE SLEPT IN HIS BED!!! But he apparently wasn't there... and the kid didn't seem too fussed about it. Why would someone who's undergone serious child sex alligations in the past admit to this sort of thing is the real question? Well, because he doesn't understand that what he is doing in wrong. Much like many convicted paedophiles think that the kids want/like their interactions. They don't understand the taboo either and think they are just one of the kids. Granted, this by no means results in the conclusion that he did anything wrong, but some people seem to be using arguments for him that a criminal profiler would use against him.
At the end of the day, espically with the last point, Bashir's documentary was made to shock and get headlines, not give a fair and balanced view of the facts.
I totally don't find anything wrong with what he's saying about the children, sure it's a bit wierd BUT there is no way he's a child molestor.
Mr Snuggly wrote:
I felt sorry for him to be honest, at the end when he
> almost started crying, he wanted the world to be a better place for
> everyone and couldn't understand why people thought it was strange for
> him to share his bed with kids.
HalloHowArtThou wrote:
> Anyway... as the day goes on I'm hearing more and more views on this. The
> way Michael is percieved on the program is not only the way he is but
> also the way Bashir and the program makers want to make him be. Bashir
> was quite harsh with the questioning.. especially at the end. His
> approach of 'if he's not going to answer this time ask him again' meant
> MJ was pushed up into a corner and made to answer the questions in a way > he wouldn't have normally
It was the way the questions were asked that made it sound as though he shared his bed with kids. The way the question is expressed makes the assumption that there is a "sexual" intention with him offering his bed to a child while he sleeps on the floor.
Bashir kept wanting to ask the question and get the answer that everyone wanted to hear but MJ wasn't going to do that and I think that annoyed the producers some bit...
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Can you really blame him from wanting to sheild his children from the tabloids and paparazzi. He wants them to lead a normal life as possible without being harrassed every time they go on a family trip to the zoo!
Some things he said near the end made total sense... No one sits at the table no more and has dinner with thier parents, or chats about the day in a normal conversation. Certainly you can understand that his childhood was made diificult with his father and the abuse etc. But the world today seems to have no "love", as MJ put it, and children would rather spend a good few hours on the internet or down their local fish shop with a few mates snorting some of the good stuff... ah hum...
He made total sense and anyone could see that, and if your interlectual enough you could also see that. He's still a little 'wacko' and has a few screws loose, but if all you really listen to is the alleged abuse back in 1993 (or sometime) and the tabloid press then really people dont want to listen to anything else; they get one thing in their head and stick with it.
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Why?
I felt sorry for him to be honest, at the end when he
> almost started crying, he wanted the world to be a better place for
> everyone and couldn't understand why people thought it was strange for
> him to share his bed with kids.
HalloHowArtThou wrote:
> Anyway... as the day goes on I'm hearing more and more views on this. The
> way Michael is percieved on the program is not only the way he is but
> also the way Bashir and the program makers want to make him be. Bashir
> was quite harsh with the questioning.. especially at the end. His
> approach of 'if he's not going to answer this time ask him again' meant
> MJ was pushed up into a corner and made to answer the questions in a way > he wouldn't have normally
It was the way the questions were asked that made it sound as though he shared his bed with kids. The way the question is expressed makes the assumption that there is a "sexual" intention with him offering his bed to a child while he sleeps on the floor.
Bashir kept wanting to ask the question and get the answer that everyone wanted to hear but MJ wasn't going to do that and I think that annoyed the producers some bit...
-----
Can you really blame him from wanting to sheild his children from the tabloids and paparazzi. He wants them to lead a normal life as possible without being harrassed every time they go on a family trip to the zoo!
Some things he said near the end made total sense... No one sits at the table no more and has dinner with thier parents, or chats about the day in a normal conversation. Certainly you can understand that his childhood was made diificult with his father and the abuse etc. But the world today seems to have no "love", as MJ put it, and children would rather spend a good few hours on the internet or down their local fish shop with a few mates snorting some of the good stuff... ah hum...
He made total sense and anyone could see that, and if your interlectual enough you could also see that. He's still a little 'wacko' and has a few screws loose, but if all you really listen to is the alleged abuse back in 1993 (or sometime) and the tabloid press then really people dont want to listen to anything else; they get one thing in their head and stick with it.
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Why?
I think a lot of what he's now doing could be due to his childhood. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in the media's eyes for the whole of my life, which might be why he wants his children to be covered and not experience this.
Also, a lot of what he did (such as the scooter game and neverland) seemed to be making up for a lost childhood. As someone on the programme said, he's like a child at heart. Maybe this is because he never got the chance to be a child at heart when he was younger?
I honestly thought he looked like a great guy trying to make life as fun as possible for himself and others. He wants the best for people, even if he doesn't understand when he is actually making things worse.
I don't see why there is a problem with him liking kids so much. Maybe it *is* due to the fact he is a child at heart, and wants to stay young. This could mean he likes to be around young people. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as he doesn't go to far (although "too far" is open to interpretation). As he said himself, he doesn't know what he wants when he dies, because he doesn't want to die.
Michael Jackson is a great guy. You have to look further than the face. I also noticed how much he seemed to change when he was out infront of the media, rather than with the reporter in his house at the start of the programme.
Also, a lot of what he did (such as the scooter game and neverland) seemed to be making up for a lost childhood. As someone on the programme said, he's like a child at heart. Maybe this is because he never got the chance to be a child at heart when he was younger?
I honestly thought he looked like a great guy trying to make life as fun as possible for himself and others. He wants the best for people, even if he doesn't understand when he is actually making things worse.
I don't see why there is a problem with him liking kids so much. Maybe it *is* due to the fact he is a child at heart, and wants to stay young. This could mean he likes to be around young people. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as he doesn't go to far (although "too far" is open to interpretation). As he said himself, he doesn't know what he wants when he dies, because he doesn't want to die.
Michael Jackson is a great guy. You have to look further than the face. I also noticed how much he seemed to change when he was out infront of the media, rather than with the reporter in his house at the start of the programme.
I think a lot of what he's now doing could be due to his childhood. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in the media's eyes for the whole of my life, which might be why he wants his children to be covered and not experience this.
Also, a lot of what he did (such as the scooter game and neverland) seemed to be making up for a lost childhood. As someone on the programme said, he's like a child at heart. Maybe this is because he never got the chance to be a child at heart when he was younger?
I honestly thought he looked like a great guy trying to make life as fun as possible for himself and others. He wants the best for people, even if he doesn't understand when he is actually making things worse.
I don't see why there is a problem with him liking kids so much. Maybe it *is* due to the fact he is a child at heart, and wants to stay young. This could mean he likes to be around young people. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as he doesn't go to far (although "too far" is open to interpretation). As he said himself, he doesn't know what he wants when he dies, because he doesn't want to die.
Michael Jackson is a great guy. You have to look further than the face. I also noticed how much he seemed to change when he was out infront of the media, rather than with the reporter in his house at the start of the programme.
Also, a lot of what he did (such as the scooter game and neverland) seemed to be making up for a lost childhood. As someone on the programme said, he's like a child at heart. Maybe this is because he never got the chance to be a child at heart when he was younger?
I honestly thought he looked like a great guy trying to make life as fun as possible for himself and others. He wants the best for people, even if he doesn't understand when he is actually making things worse.
I don't see why there is a problem with him liking kids so much. Maybe it *is* due to the fact he is a child at heart, and wants to stay young. This could mean he likes to be around young people. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as he doesn't go to far (although "too far" is open to interpretation). As he said himself, he doesn't know what he wants when he dies, because he doesn't want to die.
Michael Jackson is a great guy. You have to look further than the face. I also noticed how much he seemed to change when he was out infront of the media, rather than with the reporter in his house at the start of the programme.
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