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Asher D wrote:

> I am proud.

Of your ignorance of one of the best stories ever told?

I've never read a LOTR book and I've never seen a LOTR film.

I am proud.

Hobbits are resilient to its power because of their innocence, the ring works buy appealing to your sense of greed, hobbits are not naturally greedy, so the ring takes many years to start working. Furthermore hobbits are not easily corrupted, they have good hearts.

Because the Middle Saraphrodities clash swords with the good people of Auragon to decide who gets to control the great planes of Indineeka.

With hey ho, the wind and the rain..

Nerds.

Tom Bombadil is a Mari (sp?) and one of the most powerful people in Middle Earth, although really he is a complete mystery to us. And Goldberry, his wife, is a Varli (sp?) and possibly the most powerful person in Middle Earth.


Also, it's pretty clear that for some unknown reason Hobbits are quite resilient to the power of the ring. Smeagol was a hobbit of course, but he was rather an evil person anyway, and he did have it 500 years, which is far longer than what Bilbo had it for.

And, at the time of Bilbo having the ring, Sauron was not looking for it, as a result it was not using it's full power to try and get back to him, hence him not going 'funny' like Frodo does occasionally.

As much as I'm going to regret joining this, the book and the film do differ. Sauron has substantial form way before the events described in LotR. He was substantial in Dol Guldur, and said when it describes the White Council driving him out.

Yeah..geeks.

The sagacious one wrote:
> Cyclone wrote:
>
> And so he was not a wisp on the wind, but nearing his state at the
> opening of the LOTR.
>
> Indeed.
>
> I think that you may have your timescale confused. Sauron was defeated
> at the start of LOTR in an ancient battle, becoming insubstantial as a
> direct result of losing the ring. Then it found it's way to Isildur to
> Smeagol (Gollum), to Bilbo (in the Hobbit) and then to Frodo.

Actually I've just written a load of tripe, Sauron is indeed the eye of sorrow wreathed in flame, about 60 or so years after the Hobbit.

Cyclone wrote:

> And so he was not a wisp on the wind, but nearing his state at the
> opening of the LOTR.
>
> Indeed.

I think that you may have your timescale confused. Sauron was defeated at the start of LOTR in an ancient battle, becoming insubstantial as a direct result of losing the ring. Then it found it's way to Isildur to Smeagol (Gollum), to Bilbo (in the Hobbit) and then to Frodo.

Wasn't a higher power infuencing actions when Bilbo found the ring: Gandalf says that "Bilbo was meant to find the ring...and that is an encouraging thought don't you think?"

I think that the ring has the greatest influence over those who want to use it for a purpose. Therefore the Dwarves in the Hobbit were content with the prospect of a Dragon's hoards worth of gold and also blissfully unaware that the (still unidentified) ring of power was in their grasp. The Hobbits in the Shire likewise.

However Boromir wan't the ring to "save Gondor" thus he succumbed easily to it's power, Gandalf was tempted when Frodo offered it to him (he would try to "do good" with it as he says) and even Galadriel desired it.

Grishnak also desired the ring immediately, showing his weak will and bad manners: a fair exchange was in order and he should have fallen to his knees in submission and then given Merry and Pippin a Goblin, before trying to take the ring (which they didn't have).

Indeed.

The 'Necromancer' was in Dol Guldur then too. Wonderul how you hardly ever hear of him.....creepy.

Anyway, the Dwarves and co should have been after the ring a bit more, as Sauron was evidently in form, and only retreated to Barad Dur when the White Council banished him.

And so he was not a wisp on the wind, but nearing his state at the opening of the LOTR.

Indeed.