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Did you know that after 50 years the goverment has to release all information about major events that happened 50 years ago?
So what will we find out in the next decade or so?
Did an alien spacecraft really crash at Roswell?
Do area 51 know more about UFO's and aliens then they like to admit?
The horrors of the Second World War.
Was the moon landing a hoax?
What about the things we will find out about in about 50 years?
Exactly what info did the Americans get before September 11?
Have the goverment already foiled a major terrorist plot in the UK?
Is Bin Laden still alive or have the US caught him?
So what will we find out in the next decade or so?
Did an alien spacecraft really crash at Roswell?
Do area 51 know more about UFO's and aliens then they like to admit?
The horrors of the Second World War.
Was the moon landing a hoax?
What about the things we will find out about in about 50 years?
Exactly what info did the Americans get before September 11?
Have the goverment already foiled a major terrorist plot in the UK?
Is Bin Laden still alive or have the US caught him?
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Shouldn't we find out about what exactly happened at the shooting of JFK round about now? Second gunman, no second gunman blah blah blah. Anyone remember the date for that I can't remember myself.
Belldandy wrote:
> for example; in the aftermath of WW2 we
> ourselves ended up with a fair few Nazi scientists and officials in
> this country. They didn't walk here - people from our security
> services got them here, I think people involved in opearations like
> that deserve privacy.
Nazi scientists who carried out horrific experiments on Jews before sending them off to the gas chambers? You think that the people who helped those ***** get off scott free deserve PRIVACY?
> for example; in the aftermath of WW2 we
> ourselves ended up with a fair few Nazi scientists and officials in
> this country. They didn't walk here - people from our security
> services got them here, I think people involved in opearations like
> that deserve privacy.
Nazi scientists who carried out horrific experiments on Jews before sending them off to the gas chambers? You think that the people who helped those ***** get off scott free deserve PRIVACY?
LL Cool TT wrote:
> True story. It's a shame that while this may be a crime, the public
> won't know the real truth, and so cannot prosecute the government.
This assumes that whatever is kept classified actually hides a crime of some sort, there are many very valid reasons for classifying events and information. If for no other reason it protects those involved until after their death, for example; in the aftermath of WW2 we ourselves ended up with a fair few Nazi scientists and officials in this country. They didn't walk here - people from our security services got them here, I think people involved in opearations like that deserve privacy.
~~Belldandy~~
> True story. It's a shame that while this may be a crime, the public
> won't know the real truth, and so cannot prosecute the government.
This assumes that whatever is kept classified actually hides a crime of some sort, there are many very valid reasons for classifying events and information. If for no other reason it protects those involved until after their death, for example; in the aftermath of WW2 we ourselves ended up with a fair few Nazi scientists and officials in this country. They didn't walk here - people from our security services got them here, I think people involved in opearations like that deserve privacy.
~~Belldandy~~
Mr Lover Man wrote:
> As much as we hear that we will get to see sensitive documents, it's
> obvious that no matter how many years pass, you'll only be allowed to
> see what they want you to see, and even if you did see any documents
> they'd probably be written in a language worse than management talk!
True story. It's a shame that while this may be a crime, the public won't know the real truth, and so cannot prosecute the government.
> As much as we hear that we will get to see sensitive documents, it's
> obvious that no matter how many years pass, you'll only be allowed to
> see what they want you to see, and even if you did see any documents
> they'd probably be written in a language worse than management talk!
True story. It's a shame that while this may be a crime, the public won't know the real truth, and so cannot prosecute the government.
As much as we hear that we will get to see sensitive documents, it's obvious that no matter how many years pass, you'll only be allowed to see what they want you to see, and even if you did see any documents they'd probably be written in a language worse than management talk!
Azul²°°³ wrote:
> A couple of years ago, the Parliament passed an act, Freedom of
> Information I think it was (actually, I checked :-D) which creates a
> statutory right for people to obtain internal documents held by public
> authorities.
Don't get too excited.
With Freedom of Information legislation, the government puts in exceptions to the general rule of access, which keep some stuff under wraps.
With the alternative, Official Secrets legislation, everything is witheld except stuff within set exceptions.
Thus by being careful with the exceptions, governments can, and will, pretty much give the same amount of access with either system.
It's just Freedom of Information sounds better to the voter.
> A couple of years ago, the Parliament passed an act, Freedom of
> Information I think it was (actually, I checked :-D) which creates a
> statutory right for people to obtain internal documents held by public
> authorities.
Don't get too excited.
With Freedom of Information legislation, the government puts in exceptions to the general rule of access, which keep some stuff under wraps.
With the alternative, Official Secrets legislation, everything is witheld except stuff within set exceptions.
Thus by being careful with the exceptions, governments can, and will, pretty much give the same amount of access with either system.
It's just Freedom of Information sounds better to the voter.
After 100 years, the files are regarded as "undisclosed" aren't they?
I think in 2000, the most awaited file was the letter from King Henry-don't-ask-me-his-number's abdication.
It wasn't released though, and was put back.
Reasons were thought to be because it may harm the Royal Family.
I think in 2000, the most awaited file was the letter from King Henry-don't-ask-me-his-number's abdication.
It wasn't released though, and was put back.
Reasons were thought to be because it may harm the Royal Family.
Firstly, as already pointed out, our government can extend the time up to 100 years.
Secondly, even when documents are released they will only - if you're talking about looking for evidence of conspiracy theories like Roswell e.t.c - support the official version of events anyway because there would either be no paperwork, or it would be held by a private company so as to avoid disclosure or being traced.
Sure, there will be the odd thing about WW2 - but mainly intelligence operations and the like, it's been quite a while, and with so many books released on the subject then I don't think there is much we haven't heard.
Still, I'd love to know if the events described in the book OPJB by Christopher Creighton are true. For anyone wh hasn't read, or heard of it, the author alleges he was part of a secret operation that went into Germany in the final days of the war, inflitrated Berlin, destroyed deocuments relating a member of the Royal family to the Nazis, and extracted Martin Bormann from Berlin back into England, where he lived under a false name until his death. Fascinating read, but I don't know if it's ever going to be proved.
~~Belldandy~~
Secondly, even when documents are released they will only - if you're talking about looking for evidence of conspiracy theories like Roswell e.t.c - support the official version of events anyway because there would either be no paperwork, or it would be held by a private company so as to avoid disclosure or being traced.
Sure, there will be the odd thing about WW2 - but mainly intelligence operations and the like, it's been quite a while, and with so many books released on the subject then I don't think there is much we haven't heard.
Still, I'd love to know if the events described in the book OPJB by Christopher Creighton are true. For anyone wh hasn't read, or heard of it, the author alleges he was part of a secret operation that went into Germany in the final days of the war, inflitrated Berlin, destroyed deocuments relating a member of the Royal family to the Nazis, and extracted Martin Bormann from Berlin back into England, where he lived under a false name until his death. Fascinating read, but I don't know if it's ever going to be proved.
~~Belldandy~~
Ah, sorry mate, just scrolled down and realised what you were on about.
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