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I can onyl hope that the government somehow plans to balance the reduced number of people likely to be able to afford - or be willing to afford - a degree with a scheme to encourage part time courses, so people can qualify while earning the money to pay for their course.
Insane Bartender wrote:
> Which is all very well assuming you can afford to keep up with the
> debts. I had to drop out of university because I couldn't afford it.
> Now I'll never have a degree. I still have to pay for the loans and
> stuff though, despite having nothing to show for it.
Students should get larger loans at the same rates, even why I was student Top-up loans were available for thoses who had run out of money.
It seems you were unfornate, there are usually execeptions even to good policys.
> Which is all very well assuming you can afford to keep up with the
> debts. I had to drop out of university because I couldn't afford it.
> Now I'll never have a degree. I still have to pay for the loans and
> stuff though, despite having nothing to show for it.
Students should get larger loans at the same rates, even why I was student Top-up loans were available for thoses who had run out of money.
It seems you were unfornate, there are usually execeptions even to good policys.
Maybe, but the students have to have that money in the first place. If it wasnt for the government paying my tuition fees i wouldnt be at university. It would simply be too expensive. If the government want less people with degrees they are going the right way about it.
Rosalind wrote:
> Making students pay for themselves through university at least makes
> them value their education, instead of wasting it not working.
> Students are less likely to miss lectures and do no work, if they have
> to support themselves by borrowing money.
Which is all very well assuming you can afford to keep up with the debts. I had to drop out of university because I couldn't afford it. Now I'll never have a degree. I still have to pay for the loans and stuff though, despite having nothing to show for it.
> Making students pay for themselves through university at least makes
> them value their education, instead of wasting it not working.
> Students are less likely to miss lectures and do no work, if they have
> to support themselves by borrowing money.
Which is all very well assuming you can afford to keep up with the debts. I had to drop out of university because I couldn't afford it. Now I'll never have a degree. I still have to pay for the loans and stuff though, despite having nothing to show for it.
ludicrous.
Things like tuition fees should be weighted against family assets and income.
So, people from poor areas get cheap, or even free education, while people who's parents own several estates, or are just plain rich, pay through the nose for it.
Simple really.
Things like tuition fees should be weighted against family assets and income.
So, people from poor areas get cheap, or even free education, while people who's parents own several estates, or are just plain rich, pay through the nose for it.
Simple really.
Making students pay for themselves through university at least makes them value their education, instead of wasting it not working. Students are less likely to miss lectures and do no work, if they have to support themselves by borrowing money.
Do you think someone should take a hammer down to Downing Street, find hte new education minister, and hammer it into his head that the problem is not University fees, but the student loans ?
My family only have to pay 1/3 of the Univeristy fees and I live at home and the student loan pays for my car stuff - insurance, petrol e.t.c., books, and a few other bits, and there's usually about £200 odd left each term for other stuff. On top of my part time job I have enough money for games e.t.c. and can easily manage. But many friends find they need money from parents on top of the student loan, and when everyone does finish we're going to be paying it back for god knows how long....
Messing around with making some people pay more for fees is pointless - look at the area of student loans first ! The fees situation should stay the same as it is - the kind of income needed to make a family have to pay the full tuition fees is so high that its not an unreasonable amount to ask for. As it is, many univerisites subsidise other activites for the courses as well - for example our foreign field trip next year is subsidised to the tune of around £250 per stuident - regardless of the fees they have paid. That's how it should stay - benefits for all students.
Even the NUS campaigns are stupid - they too obsess over tuition fees when they aren't a problem - loans are.
~~Belldandy~~
My family only have to pay 1/3 of the Univeristy fees and I live at home and the student loan pays for my car stuff - insurance, petrol e.t.c., books, and a few other bits, and there's usually about £200 odd left each term for other stuff. On top of my part time job I have enough money for games e.t.c. and can easily manage. But many friends find they need money from parents on top of the student loan, and when everyone does finish we're going to be paying it back for god knows how long....
Messing around with making some people pay more for fees is pointless - look at the area of student loans first ! The fees situation should stay the same as it is - the kind of income needed to make a family have to pay the full tuition fees is so high that its not an unreasonable amount to ask for. As it is, many univerisites subsidise other activites for the courses as well - for example our foreign field trip next year is subsidised to the tune of around £250 per stuident - regardless of the fees they have paid. That's how it should stay - benefits for all students.
Even the NUS campaigns are stupid - they too obsess over tuition fees when they aren't a problem - loans are.
~~Belldandy~~
People who go to university should pay more tuition fees - to help "top-up" the shortfall.
I think it's utter crap.
We already pay £1000 a year - and the education that I've got is not worth anywhere near £1000 a year so far. What the hell do they spend that money on?
Anyway, all this crap about "People with a degree earn ON AVERAGE £400,000 more than someone without - over their entire working life. Therefore they shouldpay more" is utter crap as well.
Ok, so over around 40 years someone with a degree will earn £400,000 more than someone with out. Then minsu the tax on that (around £150,000) and you're left with £250,000 - over 40 years.
Which isn't really that much more, per year.
So, not only do the government want uni students to pay £1000 a year tuition fees (Which we already do), but they also get around £250,000 more in taxes from them, but they ALSO want to hike up the tuition fees.
It's ludicrous, and it will mean that richer people will be able to afford a better education - which is wrong.
I feel that the money should come from elsewhere. Quite where I'm not sure, as the issue is a difficult one to solve. Perhaps business should have more of an involvement, with sponsoring students etc.
I think it's utter crap.
We already pay £1000 a year - and the education that I've got is not worth anywhere near £1000 a year so far. What the hell do they spend that money on?
Anyway, all this crap about "People with a degree earn ON AVERAGE £400,000 more than someone without - over their entire working life. Therefore they shouldpay more" is utter crap as well.
Ok, so over around 40 years someone with a degree will earn £400,000 more than someone with out. Then minsu the tax on that (around £150,000) and you're left with £250,000 - over 40 years.
Which isn't really that much more, per year.
So, not only do the government want uni students to pay £1000 a year tuition fees (Which we already do), but they also get around £250,000 more in taxes from them, but they ALSO want to hike up the tuition fees.
It's ludicrous, and it will mean that richer people will be able to afford a better education - which is wrong.
I feel that the money should come from elsewhere. Quite where I'm not sure, as the issue is a difficult one to solve. Perhaps business should have more of an involvement, with sponsoring students etc.
The Government wants to introduce more fees to students who already have enough debt on their plate. First the abolition of grants and now this. What next - a big anchor tied around our necks until we pay off our loans!? Hey, I just used a metaphor!
Top-up fees?
Explain.
Explain.
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