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"Religion, Evolution, and other folly ridden topics of debate."

Religion
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Religion isn't going anywhere. Science is. Over time, science will either prove religion to be accurate or otherwise. Ipso Facto, the answers to the questions such as the origin of mankind can be suggested by either side today, but will only ever be PROVEN by science.


Evolution.
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Who cares? Even if the evolution theory is correct, you'll be long dead before anyone can show you evolution in motion. It's a process which takes millions of years. Tens of thousands of your life spans. Science can offer no more accurate answer, and religion's alternate is there if you want it. Take one or the other and shut up.

Miracles
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Any fool who's done statistics in maths can tell you that very few things are impossible, improbable perhaps, but not beyond the realms of possibility. Someone gets 2millions volts thrown through his body, falls down a cliff, only to be knocked down by a car, found rolling down a hill, over an edge into rocky, shark infested waters, and is then washed up three days later - alive. This isn't a miracle, it's just being magnificently lucky, since for each of those accidents, there is a chance of survival, so surely basic maths dictates that there is a chance that you can survive them all in succession. If anything that wasn't likely instantly became impossible, imagine what a foolish endeavor playing the national lottery would be - you know you can never win, but you play anyway. How stupid?

That's all for now, I shall continue my lessons in "common sense from given knowns to combat hysteria" later.

People arguing science is correct - you are wrong, since much of what science dictates is conjecture, hypothesis, and not proven.

People arguing that religion is correct - you are wrong, since much of what religion dictates i open to interpretation to offer answers to anything, offers little actual fact, on the basis you accept it's "truths" on faith, and were for the most part written up in an age where the only thing divine was the degree of human ignorance.

Have a nice day.

IB

I can't say for certain whether science or religion is the answer.

Because I lack faith for the religious choice
Because science is continually developing

But one thing I do know to be unequivicable fact:
Rock and Roll is the answer.

Believe me IB - when you know, you know.

I could sit and type lots of things that have happened over the last five years, things I have seen, done and experienced and there would be smart assed replies coming back saying I was hallucinating or I was on drugs etc.

I was "spoken to" five years ago - I churned it around in my head for about three weeks after that because it was an amazing experience - though I also wondered at the time if I was going mad. I then went to see a vicar as I didn't know who else to speak to about what had happened. I havn't looked back since.

without conclusive proof, how can you believe? Surely you can only suspect.

Personally, I don't know for certain that there is a "God", but I suspect that there is not. I don't know if science has all the answers, but i suspect that one day it will do.

Ant wrote:
I was lucky.

So was I... ;-)

The thing that you don't understand, and you can't understand until you have proof like I have and Ant has is that one day you will know.

I know you will say that that is a load of bull and 5 years ago I would have said the same.

As life goes on, things happen and at some stage in your life something will happen to you and you will know that all of this arguiung about wether God exists or not is folly.

I don't believe - I know - it's as simple as that.

Take the pee - I don't care.

I'm off to band practice soon - practicing for Sunday's gig.

Insane Bartender wrote:
> so it may be that science can never disprove God, but it doesn't need
> to. Should science obtain all the answers it seeks, and say those
> answers are contrary to religion. Who in their right mind would bother
> to still believe that God exists.

Because of his presence.

But then again, that sentence will only apply to people who are willing and will take time to experience it, which certainly isn't the easiest thing to do nowadays. I was lucky.

so it may be that science can never disprove God, but it doesn't need to. Should science obtain all the answers it seeks, and say those answers are contrary to religion. Who in their right mind would bother to still believe that God exists.

Science may never disprove God's existance, but by the same not, God will never confirm it.

Hooplah wrote:
> Interestingly, as a Scientist I would accept that God exists if it was
> proven to me. I wonder how many religious people would be the same if
> Science found 'the answer' a little less to their liking??

How can you be sure of that? You haven't believed in God all your life and then suddenly there is proof. In fact, there's proof around now. I would say just look around you and at the human race for proof, but you'd probably just ignore me. {:)

But don't be so sure that you'd just suddenly believe, and then say that Christians wouldn't...

Okay, I wouldn't, but that's because I already have all the proof I need, and science will never disprove God anyway. {:)

Grix Thraves wrote:
> And that is not a 'religious people don't know how to have fun'
> comment. :0) I'm just saying we worry about all the wrong things, and
> by the time we work that out, it'll probably be too late.

Are you insinuating that I don't have any fun!?


If so, then you're right.

Insane Bartender wrote:
> nh, meet Bill Gates. Bill, this is nh...

Lol...

Then I hand him the next lawsuit..