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Sun 23/06/02 at 01:28
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Ok this is a rant.
I haven't done one in an age and I've had enough of the multitude of crap we men take from women.
This isn't connected to anything else other than 2 weeks of realising what an utter wa##er I've been putting up with almost 3 years of subserviant crap for the sake of "a relationship".

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Women. Suck.
Really, they are emotionally immature, insecure, games playing, confused creatures.
And I've had enough of it.
I've had enough of not saying "No, I'm not happy about that" in case it upsets her.
I'm sick of the games they play and the little wounded routine when they know they're in the wrong but wont admit it.
I'm sick of them avoiding straight questions and saying "You don't understand" or "It doesn't matter"
IT DOES BLOODY MATTER
Don't just sit there and say "Nothing" when we ask you what's wrong.
Tell us. We are not f###ing psychics, we are not channels for your mind-messages.
T-E-L-L U-S.
That's all you have to do, it will save hours of frosty looks and it will save us wondering what we've done wrong.
That is childish.

I'm sick of seeing nice blokes, blokes that would go to the other end of the world if you asked, getting ignored/dumped/mistreated because you decide we must take a part in whatever sshite little emotional play you want to stage this week.

Get this for an example of why I have had enough of "being considerate" and "being understanding" and "being a nice guy".
I got dumped after 3 years.
She tells me, one Sunday afternoon that "this isn't working anymore"
Isn't it? Since when? How about letting me f###ing know at the time?
Eh?
So I,stupid boy that I am, spend days being upset and depressed and miserable, trying to convince her she's made a bad mistake and to please reconsider.
"It took me ages to reach this decision, I can't just change my mind like that".
Ok.
So I deal with it.
But because I'm such a nice f###ing guy, I dont get angry at her. I dont shout and scream, I dont tell her exactly what I think of how she's treated me.
Becuase all the while I'm still being "Mr Considerate"

Until it hits me:
You know what, this was your choice "babe", and I've got nothing to feel guilty about. I've not done anything or decided it's over.
You did.
And I let it go, I stopped hurling myself against her indifference in an attempt to get her to take me back.
I even agree with that whole "We'll still be friends" lie you both tell at the end.
And what happens?
I get a phone call, tearful, saying "I made a mistake"
Well guess what baby?
You made the biggest f####ing mistake of your life, because I dont want to come back.
Not after this.
How do I know you wouldn't decide to do that again and place me in the same emotional state on a whim?

F### that, I've got too much self respect to allow myself to be treated like that.
Take your "mistake" and your "This isnt working anymore" and jam it up your backside.

Because there was a time when I would drive over at 3am because you were upset about something, even though it meant I got no sleep and had to leave at 7am to get to work.
But that was before you decided "It wasn't working"
And when you told me you had to take a pay-cut because work was slow, I didnt offer to rush over and comfort you did I?
No
And do you know why? Because "It wasn't working"
Except when you get down and you need someone to tell you it'll be ok?
It seems to work pretty well just then eh?

Well let's take a long cold hard look at this world:
You dump a guy that worshipped the ground you walked on. A guy that would have done anything you asked.
And you act surprised when he doesn't say "Awww that's terrible" when you have woes.
Because where the f### were you when he needed comforting?
He always had to ask you to hold him?

Yeah, like I'll put myself in that position again.
No more Mr Sensitive.
No more Mr Do-anything-you-ask

I'm going to do exactly what I want, when I want.
Because I tried it the other way and I got f###ed.

Jokes on you woman, because now I tell you "You're right, this isn't working", you change your mind?
Tough.
You feel scared and want to be held because you approach financial difficulty?
Tough.
Phone someone that cares "baby"
Talk to someone you didn't destroy 2 weeks ago.

I gave you the chance to have what you now miss, and you didnt want it because you thought "it was best".
Well it was your choice, deal with it like a grown-up.
I've shed my last tear for women.
I've spent my last effort trying to reason with a species that plays games, leads you on, doesn't say what it means.

"We are a generation of men raised by women, I'm thinking is another woman really what we need?" - Fight Club.
Mon 24/06/02 at 10:20
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"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
Hell yes.
Had a top weekend being "I'm not listening to your words, take your top off"
Mon 24/06/02 at 10:19
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"bearded n dangerous"
Posts: 754
Meka Dragon wrote:
> He's right though, you can't have a relationship if you have to bite
> your tongue the whole time.
>
> Plus it's got to be a two way thing the whole time, if you're going to
> be there for her all the time, she's got to be there for you too, else
> it just won't work.


Hear, hear.

Been there, got the T-shirt. Unfortunately, it was me that had to do the dumping when I came to my senses, which was the most hideous thing I've ever had to do. And even then, I was trying to spare her feelings.

I've come to the conclusion that having compassion and a conscience is a double edged sword, and the edge facing me is bloody sharp. Life would be so much easier if I was a complete b*stard.
Sun 23/06/02 at 17:10
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Mouldy Cheese wrote:
> *Is amazed by the sheer...crapness of all the non-meka, non-schroeder
> replys*

Crawler
Sun 23/06/02 at 16:50
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"I am Bumf Ucked"
Posts: 3,669
*Is amazed by the sheer...crapness of all the non-meka, non-schroeder replys*
Sun 23/06/02 at 16:41
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"not dead"
Posts: 11,145
He's right though, you can't have a relationship if you have to bite your tongue the whole time.

Plus it's got to be a two way thing the whole time, if you're going to be there for her all the time, she's got to be there for you too, else it just won't work.
Sun 23/06/02 at 13:27
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"Being Ignorant"
Posts: 2,574
You go, girlfriend!

:-)
Sun 23/06/02 at 12:41
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schroeder wrote:
> NO!
>
> No your wrong. Don't give up being who you are, if your lucky enough
> to have compassion and kindness, don't change.
>
> I know where you're coming from, I've been treated like dirt, and
> everytime I'm like "right, from now on I'm going to be tough,
> stand up for myself yada yada"
>
> But you can't. You can't change these wonderful qualities you have
> just because someone took advantage of them, because someone took them
> for granted. As far as I'm concerned, relationships shouldn't be hard.
> People always make things so complicated, but it's so simple. Stay
> What you are (one of my favourite albums incidently- Saves the Day)
>
> Mind you, my love life has never been very sucessful, so maybe you
> should just ignore me.

Join the club LOL ;0) but i have found that I like being my own person without ties or strings. I guess I just like my freedom to much and dont like to be tied down. Maybe it is selfish but then with what i have been through I have the right to be selfish. I also think to to push or force the issue when the right person comes a long you will know ;0)
Sun 23/06/02 at 12:30
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"waiting for 1950DA."
Posts: 143
NO!

No your wrong. Don't give up being who you are, if your lucky enough to have compassion and kindness, don't change.

I know where you're coming from, I've been treated like dirt, and everytime I'm like "right, from now on I'm going to be tough, stand up for myself yada yada"

But you can't. You can't change these wonderful qualities you have just because someone took advantage of them, because someone took them for granted. As far as I'm concerned, relationships shouldn't be hard. People always make things so complicated, but it's so simple. Stay What you are (one of my favourite albums incidently- Saves the Day)

Mind you, my love life has never been very sucessful, so maybe you should just ignore me.
Sun 23/06/02 at 12:14
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"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
schroeder wrote:

> Women have survived for generations doing what we are told, treated as
> second class citizens, and okay, I'm no feminist, but we have always
> deserved to be treated better.
>
> Now we are treated better, and it's great, but this new found freedom
> is unnerving at times. We get frightened, we get cold feet. We don't
> mean to play games, we're just misunderstood. Sorry.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about (not personally to schroeder).

A bloke stands up and says "No. You treat us badly. You ignore the poets and prophets and go for the mongols that won't phone when they say they will, won't give a monkeys and agree with your "this isn't working" thing" and what happens?

It turns into a "how hard women have had it" story.
Well I'm sorry but I've had it with that rubbish.
No matter what a bloke says, a woman always come back with "Well try and see how hard I've had it".
Balls to that.

I was understanding. I was sympathetic. I didn't scream at her and tell her what an idiot she was for throwing it away.
I agreed with her.
And what happens?
The moment I say "you're right, let's end it", *then* I get the phone call saying "I made a mistake".
Not when I'm in tears at 2am begging her to reconsider, oh no.
It's when I turn away and walk off that I get "I'm sorry, I've made a mistake"

*spits on the floor*
Enough.
Enough of being Mr Nice. Enough of being Mr Considerate. Enough of being Mr F####ng Compassion.
It gets you nowhere.

This isn't anything personally to you schroeder, please dont think that.
This is a bloke that is soooo sick of being understanding and pleasant.
Sun 23/06/02 at 11:24
Regular
"waiting for 1950DA."
Posts: 143
Thats not fair.

We're not all bad, we ARE human beings too. Seriously, the girl/boy divide is so exagerated. There's no difference, it's just what we are brought up to be.

Do you know what? Men have hurt me, emotionally, physically, you name it, but I don't hate the bloody lot of you. There are good and bad human beings, gender is meaningless.

I'm sorry you got hurt Goaty, but it happens, I know, I've been there. Women have survived for generations doing what we are told, treated as second class citizens, and okay, I'm no feminist, but we have always deserved to be treated better.

Now we are treated better, and it's great, but this new found freedom is unnerving at times. We get frightened, we get cold feet. We don't mean to play games, we're just misunderstood. Sorry.

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