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Ok now the X-box has arrived and had a little time to pick up speed. Unfortunately despite alot of talk about shifting consoles the X-box is not selling paticulary well, especially in the UK.
In my personal opinion there are a number of reasons for this which i feel Mr. Bill Gates needs to address before the X-box can turn into the success that he has hoped for.
The Price
Ok This has got to be the biggest problem with the microsoft bad boy. I am not putting anything against the console because i think it has possibly the most potential of all of the next generation consoles. It is the fasted the most powerful and has a top notch DVD player not to mention the memory meaning no memory cards are needed as there is next to an infinite amount of save space. However despite the excellent potential it posesses the console itself is still not worth the £300 price mark they gave on release, even after the drop to £200 it is still struggling because basically who is going to pay that kind of money for something that does not blow away the competition. The games are not too expensive, about average however with the need of a dvd remote to use the dvd feature the cost of the original price soon rises. The competition is too strong for such a price.
The Games
Lets face it this is what you buy a console. Sure you can get 84 controller ports, a 67 dvd disc changer, puker cd player and more tools than a swiss army knife but if you havent got the games to back it up what is the point in being able to even cook ya toast in ya console eh?
It is unfortunate that in the most important factor of the console the X-box fails miserably at present. The only 3 big sellers they had on launch day were
Dead or Alive 3
Project Gotham Racing
and Halo
and lets be honest Gotham Racing while a good game is not on the same level as GT3.. Dead of Alive 3 another classic beat em up but with virtua Fighter 4 now out and Tekken 4 around the corner it just does not have the same appeal. And Halo the supposed best game of the year. While a fantastic first person shooter is heavily overated purely because it was the one major selling point of the X-box and the only "original" big hitting game they had.
I say "original" because the X-box's line up is not at all original now is it, i mean not only are the games they are bringing out not THAT impressive they are not even original. In fact 90% of microsofts games are ported from other consoles or originally planned for another console.
Halo ----> originally a PC game
Dead or Alive 3 ----> DoA2 on PS2
SSX Tricky ---> PS2
Crazy Taxi ----->PS2, DC
Champ Manager -----> PC
Munch's Odsesee(sp) ------ Oringally PS2
Am i making my point yet! the Xbox is relying heavily on the games they are bringing over from other formats. The lineup is just not strong enough and with games like
Return to castle wolfenstein
Unreal Championship
The 2 huge games coming out being pc games and first person shooters. The console needs some huge original games and alot more variety. They are getting killed on the market at the moment. They need more games like Halo and the likes of Panza Dragoon to stay in the console war.
Lets hope Bill pulls his socks up because the Xbox has the potential to be great and altho i still think gates is being greedy trying to conquer another world good luck to him hes got his work cut out.
Online?
Possibly another big selling point of the Xbox was the online gaming, well now E3 is over and the plans have been revealed the UK are getting a raw deal. The Xboxs online plans are being used with broadband and with alot of the UK not able to get broadband at the present time it means we are not all able to play online meaning less profit for microsoft and a lot of annoyed british gamers.
What are everyones views.
THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS AND I USUALLY TALK RUBBISH SO....
-Omega-
In my personal opinion there are a number of reasons for this which i feel Mr. Bill Gates needs to address before the X-box can turn into the success that he has hoped for.
The Price
Ok This has got to be the biggest problem with the microsoft bad boy. I am not putting anything against the console because i think it has possibly the most potential of all of the next generation consoles. It is the fasted the most powerful and has a top notch DVD player not to mention the memory meaning no memory cards are needed as there is next to an infinite amount of save space. However despite the excellent potential it posesses the console itself is still not worth the £300 price mark they gave on release, even after the drop to £200 it is still struggling because basically who is going to pay that kind of money for something that does not blow away the competition. The games are not too expensive, about average however with the need of a dvd remote to use the dvd feature the cost of the original price soon rises. The competition is too strong for such a price.
The Games
Lets face it this is what you buy a console. Sure you can get 84 controller ports, a 67 dvd disc changer, puker cd player and more tools than a swiss army knife but if you havent got the games to back it up what is the point in being able to even cook ya toast in ya console eh?
It is unfortunate that in the most important factor of the console the X-box fails miserably at present. The only 3 big sellers they had on launch day were
Dead or Alive 3
Project Gotham Racing
and Halo
and lets be honest Gotham Racing while a good game is not on the same level as GT3.. Dead of Alive 3 another classic beat em up but with virtua Fighter 4 now out and Tekken 4 around the corner it just does not have the same appeal. And Halo the supposed best game of the year. While a fantastic first person shooter is heavily overated purely because it was the one major selling point of the X-box and the only "original" big hitting game they had.
I say "original" because the X-box's line up is not at all original now is it, i mean not only are the games they are bringing out not THAT impressive they are not even original. In fact 90% of microsofts games are ported from other consoles or originally planned for another console.
Halo ----> originally a PC game
Dead or Alive 3 ----> DoA2 on PS2
SSX Tricky ---> PS2
Crazy Taxi ----->PS2, DC
Champ Manager -----> PC
Munch's Odsesee(sp) ------ Oringally PS2
Am i making my point yet! the Xbox is relying heavily on the games they are bringing over from other formats. The lineup is just not strong enough and with games like
Return to castle wolfenstein
Unreal Championship
The 2 huge games coming out being pc games and first person shooters. The console needs some huge original games and alot more variety. They are getting killed on the market at the moment. They need more games like Halo and the likes of Panza Dragoon to stay in the console war.
Lets hope Bill pulls his socks up because the Xbox has the potential to be great and altho i still think gates is being greedy trying to conquer another world good luck to him hes got his work cut out.
Online?
Possibly another big selling point of the Xbox was the online gaming, well now E3 is over and the plans have been revealed the UK are getting a raw deal. The Xboxs online plans are being used with broadband and with alot of the UK not able to get broadband at the present time it means we are not all able to play online meaning less profit for microsoft and a lot of annoyed british gamers.
What are everyones views.
THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS AND I USUALLY TALK RUBBISH SO....
-Omega-
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Nomad_Soul wrote:
> Seeing that you brushed over the list of XBOX games with a feather of
> indifference, could you list these forthcoming PS2 games you are
> interested in so we can compare?
I doubt I can remember them all off the top of my head!
As I said, it's just because the ones I've seen don't give me that 'buzz', as even Halo did. I bought the machine just for that game, you know.
Anyway, what I can remember... (and yes, I know *some* of them may also be coming out on Xbox...)
The Getaway
GTA: Vice City/Miami
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Ratchet & Clank (remember I also said I might get Xbox Blinx)
Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkeness
Onimusha 2
Stuntman
Driver 3
Terminator (also on Xbox, I know)
Primal
Vexx (also on Xbox I believe)
Timesplitters 2 (multiplatform)
Devil May Cry 2
Reign of Fire (possibly)
Red Faction 2
Prisoner of War
Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
> Seeing that you brushed over the list of XBOX games with a feather of
> indifference, could you list these forthcoming PS2 games you are
> interested in so we can compare?
I doubt I can remember them all off the top of my head!
As I said, it's just because the ones I've seen don't give me that 'buzz', as even Halo did. I bought the machine just for that game, you know.
Anyway, what I can remember... (and yes, I know *some* of them may also be coming out on Xbox...)
The Getaway
GTA: Vice City/Miami
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Ratchet & Clank (remember I also said I might get Xbox Blinx)
Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkeness
Onimusha 2
Stuntman
Driver 3
Terminator (also on Xbox, I know)
Primal
Vexx (also on Xbox I believe)
Timesplitters 2 (multiplatform)
Devil May Cry 2
Reign of Fire (possibly)
Red Faction 2
Prisoner of War
Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
I have to side with Tiltawhirl as Omega did a good topic and is one of the first non biased ones and people just turn around and say oh yea you talk rubbish as you insult my console!
You moron Garbe, you said you have a list of games that haven't been released yet and you called them rubbish. Then you went to have a go at people for criticising games that haven't come out yet. Jezuz mate, I can understand you sticking up for your console but you really can't take any criticism can you? as far as you're concerned you're right and everyone else is wrong.
It's not even worth trying to have a decent discussion with you, as Omega has found out. He wrote a decent topic as non-biased as possible on why he doesn't like the X-Box and all he gets back for you is a list of games and "shutup you're talking crap" or something along those lines.
It's not even worth trying to have a decent discussion with you, as Omega has found out. He wrote a decent topic as non-biased as possible on why he doesn't like the X-Box and all he gets back for you is a list of games and "shutup you're talking crap" or something along those lines.
What are you talking about Tiltawhirl? Have you considered a word that I have said. I have a list of GameCube games that are out and ones that I have played and they are in my opinion rubbish. I have had the release list since last November and I have been playing GameCube games since last December! A bit longer than you I suspect! Don't come at me with your rubbish as I have played more GameCube games than you will play this year in the past 7 months! I maybe should have stated that I have had the list a long time but it is a release list of games out and ones that are coming out! Do you understand me now?
The only problem with FFX Omega, Seymour the third, lol (personal joke)
garbe123 wrote:
>
> How can you say a game is poor if you haven't played it? The answer is
> you can't! Don't come back with a stupid answer because it is simple,
> you can not comment on games that are not even out yet and that was a
> release calendar. I could go over the GC but I won't becuase no-one is
> interested and it is my opinion, but one thing I wouldn't do is
> comment on the games before I had even played them so what the hell
> makes you think you can do the same?
So hang on you wouldn't coment on games you've never played yet you had a look at the NInty release list and you couldn't stop laughing at them cause they where either poor ports or games you'd played 100000 times before?
Ha ha Garb you contradict yourself in practically every sentence, oh how you make me laugh.
>
> How can you say a game is poor if you haven't played it? The answer is
> you can't! Don't come back with a stupid answer because it is simple,
> you can not comment on games that are not even out yet and that was a
> release calendar. I could go over the GC but I won't becuase no-one is
> interested and it is my opinion, but one thing I wouldn't do is
> comment on the games before I had even played them so what the hell
> makes you think you can do the same?
So hang on you wouldn't coment on games you've never played yet you had a look at the NInty release list and you couldn't stop laughing at them cause they where either poor ports or games you'd played 100000 times before?
Ha ha Garb you contradict yourself in practically every sentence, oh how you make me laugh.
garbe123 wrote:
> Omega you fool! How the hell can you comment on games that aren't even
> put yet! For 1 you have never heard of Project Ego which shows your
> level of interest, it is going to be one of if not the best game of
> next year!
*sniggers* that's the most hypocritical thing I ever did read.
> Omega you fool! How the hell can you comment on games that aren't even
> put yet! For 1 you have never heard of Project Ego which shows your
> level of interest, it is going to be one of if not the best game of
> next year!
*sniggers* that's the most hypocritical thing I ever did read.
Sir Auron wrote:
> Hey nice post, a first in this sort of topic, normally as many people
> have said people come on and say it is bad, but no reasons, nice one!
Thanx mate.. i didnt come in here to put down the Xbox i was merely pointing out the problems that need to be overcome.
And yes FFX does rule...
-Omega-
> Hey nice post, a first in this sort of topic, normally as many people
> have said people come on and say it is bad, but no reasons, nice one!
Thanx mate.. i didnt come in here to put down the Xbox i was merely pointing out the problems that need to be overcome.
And yes FFX does rule...
-Omega-
savatt1668 wrote:
> Just a quick message to Omega - trust me mate, I can definatly wait
> when it comes to playing Mario Sunshine. From the stuff and footage
> I've seen of it, its not looking very appealing to me personally.
>
> The only game of Nintendo's I want to really play is F-Zero when it
> comes out, otherwise there isn't a lot that really has me excited on
> the GC.
That is fair enuf now me personally i love epic games and it looks to be great. I am annoyed with the childish looks of Zelda but the gameplay will be there none the less. Metroid will be cool and there are some other classics i am deffinately looking forward to. I can understand where your coming from not everyone has the same taste in games...
And in reply to the Story about sony being the unbeatable kings i can totally see where your coming from and your right and upset may be in the cards... back then people took to games like Wipeout and destruction derby as well as tekken. So you never know the Xbox could pull it out of the bag and i would like to see them do well. However IN MY OPINION i do not seeing this happen... but i do believe PS2 will be getting weaker for a while the games in their lineup is not that impressive either. which is a shame but still a very valid point.
-Omega-
> Just a quick message to Omega - trust me mate, I can definatly wait
> when it comes to playing Mario Sunshine. From the stuff and footage
> I've seen of it, its not looking very appealing to me personally.
>
> The only game of Nintendo's I want to really play is F-Zero when it
> comes out, otherwise there isn't a lot that really has me excited on
> the GC.
That is fair enuf now me personally i love epic games and it looks to be great. I am annoyed with the childish looks of Zelda but the gameplay will be there none the less. Metroid will be cool and there are some other classics i am deffinately looking forward to. I can understand where your coming from not everyone has the same taste in games...
And in reply to the Story about sony being the unbeatable kings i can totally see where your coming from and your right and upset may be in the cards... back then people took to games like Wipeout and destruction derby as well as tekken. So you never know the Xbox could pull it out of the bag and i would like to see them do well. However IN MY OPINION i do not seeing this happen... but i do believe PS2 will be getting weaker for a while the games in their lineup is not that impressive either. which is a shame but still a very valid point.
-Omega-
Just a quick message to Omega - trust me mate, I can definatly wait when it comes to playing Mario Sunshine. From the stuff and footage I've seen of it, its not looking very appealing to me personally.
The only game of Nintendo's I want to really play is F-Zero when it comes out, otherwise there isn't a lot that really has me excited on the GC.
The only game of Nintendo's I want to really play is F-Zero when it comes out, otherwise there isn't a lot that really has me excited on the GC.
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