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Wed 19/06/02 at 23:31
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I'm a Nintendo fan... always will be, but I'm also a big SEGA fan.

When the news that SEGA would ditch the Dreamcast and become a third party developer surfaced, I for one was absolutely gutted. Having devoted my life to SEGA in the past (the Mega Drive and Dreamcast in particular), the thought of games like Sonic, Jet Set Radio etc appearing on the PlayStation 2 and XBox (I love Nintendo and Gamecube so I'm not bothered about that) was almost insufferable.

But, how do SEGA decide which games to release on which consoles?

As far as I know, the following SEGA games have appeared on these consoles:

PlayStation 2:
- Headhunter
- Rez
- Virtua Fighter 4

XBox:
- Jet Set Radio Future
- Shenmue series (dunno if it's been released yet)

Gamecube:
- 18 Wheeler: Pro American Trucker (also on PS2, I think)
- Crazy Taxi (also on PS2)
- Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
- Super Monkey Ball
- Virtua Striker 3 ver 2002 (at least I think it's called ver 2002)

OK... so how did SEGA decide which games should make their way to which consoles? First of all, which games are classified as "good"?

- 18 Wheeler: American Pro Trucker (bad)
- Crazy Taxi (said to be dodgy, but good in my opinion)
- Headhunter (good)
- Jet Set Radio Future (good)
- Rez (good)
- Shenmue (said to be good, but crap in my opinion)
- Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (said to be dodgy, but good in my opinion)
- Super Monkey Ball (good)
- Virtua Fighter 4 (good)
- Virtua Striker 3 (bad)

So Gamecube owners get the only original concept (with the other games having had previous versions on SEGA consoles), which is great... and Super Monkey Ball is indeed a fantastic game. But then what do we get? SA2: Battle, which has been deemed as average, ditto Crazy Taxi and the apparently abysmal Virtua Striker 3.

But what I would have loved to have seen would be Jet Set Radio Future, Headhunter, Virtua Fighter 4 (the versions of those on the Dreamcast are amazing!) and Rez (which looks like a fun game) on the Gamecube. So why didn't we see those games on the Gamecube?

My theory is that Sony and Microsoft have experienced problems shifting enough consoles to make the amount of money that they'd like. Indeed, with Microsoft being the most money-hungry company ever plonked down on this Earth, this is probably true... and that theory is backed up by the X-Box's crap launch day, and the fact that the X-Box is fairing pretty abysmally over in Japan as well. So Microsoft probably threw an ocean full of money SEGA's way in order to secure JSR Future and Shenmue (being big over in Japan and being Japanese in origin) on the x-Box in an attempt to shift more than 5 units over in Japan over the next 6 months. Admittedly, Shenmue is dodgy in my opinion, but nevertheless it is an EXTREMELY popular series and deemed as the best game ever by a lot of people. As for Sony... well, the PS2 launch day wasn't particularly amazing either... and although franchises like Metal Gear Solid 2 and Tekken saw the "light" of PS2, well... who cares? By securing big SEGA titles like Headhunter and Virtua Fighter, Sony have made a business move that will allow the PS2 to remain the console to own if you want to be "with it".

And what do Gamecube owners / fans get lumbered with? Well, apart from Super Monkey Ball and SA2: Battle, we get crap such as 18 Wheeler and Virtua Striker... along with Crazy Taxi, which is a good game but it's 4 years old for God's sake!

As a Nintendo fan, I also own a GBA... but the games we've seen on it have mostly been puzzle games (apart from Sonic):

- ChuChu Rocket!
- Columns Crown
- Puyo Pop
- Sonic Advance

I've played ChuChu Rocket, which was brilliant on the Dreamcast... but the GBA version was just too small and it was too hard to follow what was going on. Admittedly my somewhat limited vision doesn't help, but it's good enough to usually allow me to play on a GBA with no problems. But ChuChu Rocket was just too small and not as suited to the GBA as the Dreamcast. Columns Crown and Puyo Pop are just rehashes of Colums and Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine (on the Mega Drive) and Sonic Advance, although brilliant, was just easy.

In my opinion, Nintendo fans have gotten dumped on when it comes to what SEGA games we've recieved. I'm glad I've got a Dreamcast, that's all I can say.
Wed 03/07/02 at 19:10
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Posts: 15,681
Not often you're wrong about SEGA is it? :)

Ah well, we all make mistakes, and seeing as you honestly didn't know (neither did I to be honest) I'm sure you can be forgiven oh Sonic master. :D
Wed 03/07/02 at 19:04
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"---SOULJACKER---"
Posts: 5,448
Ah well, the coin ops (ie pinball thing) came after the merger! Doh!
Sat 29/06/02 at 22:47
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"Remember me?"
Posts: 6,124
Edgy wrote:
> Dark Mark wrote:
> ===SONICRAV---wrote:
> Your Honour wrote:
> HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA!
>
> That is THE funniest post I've read in ages. So wrong in so many
> ways.
> People have already listed all the sega games coming to Xbox, and
> Xbox
> is receiving the largest number of exclusive Sega games.
>
> Actually, this is nonsense. 50% of the games Sega are releasing will
> be on the PS2, with the rest equally spread about the XBox, GC and
> GBA.
>
> Of course, I'm sure that out of the games coming to the PS2 not all
> of
> them are exclusive, while most of the ones that Sega are taking to
> the
> Xbox are. But the fact remains that the PS2 is seeing more Sega
> games
> than any other console.
>
> So please, pull your head out of your @rse, or do some research at
> the
> very least, before you spout out this garbage.
>
> YH, shut up. Really. Dark Mark is one of the best posters in the
> Sega
> room and knows his stuff. Not only that, but his points about the
> Xbox's poor Japanese start and the possible link with Sega games
> appearing as exclusives on the console seem to be completely
> correct...
>
> Sega have developed the new Panzer Dragoon solely for the console,
> and
> it looks like MS did buy the rights to the game. DM never said that
> the Xbox was bad (actually, over in the Sega room we've been excited
> by Jet Set Future and Panzer Dragoon for a while), but what he did
> say
> was that, like Sony and Nintendo, they'd bought rights to games from
> some developers to boost sales... and with Japanese sales low at the
> moment a Panzer Dragoon games should go down well.
>
> So YH, what exactly did DM say to offend you so much to make you
> say:
> "pull your head out of your @rse"... the only thing I can
> think of is him not naming all the Sega games coming out. Appart
> from
> that, the rest of the post is 100% correct.
>
> Sonic
>
>
> *
>
> Thank you!
>
> Does that mean that I can officially chalk up another fan?
>
> If it does... I HAVE TWO!
>
> Ah the joys of being unpopular...
>
> Trying to boost your word count by unneccesarily quoting messages of
> this length Mark? :D


*

Um... no.

Sat 29/06/02 at 22:28
Regular
Posts: 15,681
Dark Mark wrote:
> ===SONICRAV---wrote:
> Your Honour wrote:
> HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA!
>
> That is THE funniest post I've read in ages. So wrong in so many
> ways.
> People have already listed all the sega games coming to Xbox, and
> Xbox
> is receiving the largest number of exclusive Sega games.
>
> Actually, this is nonsense. 50% of the games Sega are releasing will
> be on the PS2, with the rest equally spread about the XBox, GC and
> GBA.
>
> Of course, I'm sure that out of the games coming to the PS2 not all
> of
> them are exclusive, while most of the ones that Sega are taking to
> the
> Xbox are. But the fact remains that the PS2 is seeing more Sega
> games
> than any other console.
>
> So please, pull your head out of your @rse, or do some research at
> the
> very least, before you spout out this garbage.
>
> YH, shut up. Really. Dark Mark is one of the best posters in the
> Sega
> room and knows his stuff. Not only that, but his points about the
> Xbox's poor Japanese start and the possible link with Sega games
> appearing as exclusives on the console seem to be completely
> correct...
>
> Sega have developed the new Panzer Dragoon solely for the console,
> and
> it looks like MS did buy the rights to the game. DM never said that
> the Xbox was bad (actually, over in the Sega room we've been excited
> by Jet Set Future and Panzer Dragoon for a while), but what he did
> say
> was that, like Sony and Nintendo, they'd bought rights to games from
> some developers to boost sales... and with Japanese sales low at the
> moment a Panzer Dragoon games should go down well.
>
> So YH, what exactly did DM say to offend you so much to make you
> say:
> "pull your head out of your @rse"... the only thing I can
> think of is him not naming all the Sega games coming out. Appart
> from
> that, the rest of the post is 100% correct.
>
> Sonic
>
>
> *
>
> Thank you!
>
> Does that mean that I can officially chalk up another fan?
>
> If it does... I HAVE TWO!
>
> Ah the joys of being unpopular...

Trying to boost your word count by unneccesarily quoting messages of this length Mark? :D
Sat 29/06/02 at 20:52
Regular
"Remember me?"
Posts: 6,124
===SONICRAV---> wrote:
> Your Honour wrote:
> HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA!
>
> That is THE funniest post I've read in ages. So wrong in so many
> ways.
> People have already listed all the sega games coming to Xbox, and
> Xbox
> is receiving the largest number of exclusive Sega games.
>
> Actually, this is nonsense. 50% of the games Sega are releasing will
> be on the PS2, with the rest equally spread about the XBox, GC and
> GBA.
>
> Of course, I'm sure that out of the games coming to the PS2 not all of
> them are exclusive, while most of the ones that Sega are taking to the
> Xbox are. But the fact remains that the PS2 is seeing more Sega games
> than any other console.
>
> So please, pull your head out of your @rse, or do some research at
> the
> very least, before you spout out this garbage.
>
> YH, shut up. Really. Dark Mark is one of the best posters in the Sega
> room and knows his stuff. Not only that, but his points about the
> Xbox's poor Japanese start and the possible link with Sega games
> appearing as exclusives on the console seem to be completely
> correct...
>
> Sega have developed the new Panzer Dragoon solely for the console, and
> it looks like MS did buy the rights to the game. DM never said that
> the Xbox was bad (actually, over in the Sega room we've been excited
> by Jet Set Future and Panzer Dragoon for a while), but what he did say
> was that, like Sony and Nintendo, they'd bought rights to games from
> some developers to boost sales... and with Japanese sales low at the
> moment a Panzer Dragoon games should go down well.
>
> So YH, what exactly did DM say to offend you so much to make you say:
> "pull your head out of your @rse"... the only thing I can
> think of is him not naming all the Sega games coming out. Appart from
> that, the rest of the post is 100% correct.
>
> Sonic


*

Thank you!

Does that mean that I can officially chalk up another fan?

If it does... I HAVE TWO!

Ah the joys of being unpopular...
Fri 28/06/02 at 11:03
Regular
"Eric The Half A Bee"
Posts: 5,347
===SONICRAV---> wrote:
> Jukeboxes? Sega, previously SErvice GAmes made Pinball machines for
> the many US army bases in Japan after the war. Soon the American
> owners of the company sold it to Japanese investors (like a majority
> of the then US owned companies), who turned it into Sega.
>
> Sonic

lol... I dunno man, (and, to be fair, don't really care either) I'm just cutting and pasting Google returned sites...

I'm sure they may be wrong... it depends on how pro/anti the interpretation is???

gamespot.com/gamespot/features/ video/sega/p2_01.html
'Things were going very well for Rosen Enterprises, which brought about the acquisition of a jukebox manufacturing company. Rosen Enterprises then merged with the newly acquired company. A rename was in order - a contraction of Service Games was the chosen title. In other words: Sega.'

www.theseganetwork.8k.com/history.html
'Rosen Enterprises Ltd. was a very famous entertainment company in Japan. With fame in Japan came fortune, Rosen Enterprises Ltd. bought a Japanese jukebox company, the merged together to form Sega Enterprises Ltd.'

saturnzer0.tripod.com/Saturn_Dominion/ Structuralpics/History.html
'The first, Rosen Enterprises, Ltd., was started by David Rosen in 1951. In 1954 Rosen began importing instant photograph booths from the United States to Japan. In 1957 he began importing coin-operated arcade machines. The other company, Service Games Company, was founded in 1951 by Raymond Lemaire and Richard Stewart. Their company began importing jukeboxes'
(Article from Microsoft Encarta 98 Encyclopedia.)

www.mobygames.com/company/ history/companyId,12/
'1951: Rosen Enterprises founded.
1957: Enters coin-op game business by importing machines to Japan.
1965: Merges with a US jukebox company to form Sega.'
Thu 27/06/02 at 15:53
Regular
"Well hit on me..."
Posts: 1,169
OK, im wrong, ill have to check my sources....

bah humbug flavour stick of rock
Thu 27/06/02 at 15:52
Regular
"---SOULJACKER---"
Posts: 5,448
Jukeboxes? Sega, previously SErvice GAmes made Pinball machines for the many US army bases in Japan after the war. Soon the American owners of the company sold it to Japanese investors (like a majority of the then US owned companies), who turned it into Sega.

Sonic
Thu 27/06/02 at 15:50
Regular
"---SOULJACKER---"
Posts: 5,448
Your Honour wrote:
> HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA!
>
> That is THE funniest post I've read in ages. So wrong in so many ways.
> People have already listed all the sega games coming to Xbox, and Xbox
> is receiving the largest number of exclusive Sega games.

Actually, this is nonsense. 50% of the games Sega are releasing will be on the PS2, with the rest equally spread about the XBox, GC and GBA.

Of course, I'm sure that out of the games coming to the PS2 not all of them are exclusive, while most of the ones that Sega are taking to the Xbox are. But the fact remains that the PS2 is seeing more Sega games than any other console.

> So please, pull your head out of your @rse, or do some research at the
> very least, before you spout out this garbage.

YH, shut up. Really. Dark Mark is one of the best posters in the Sega room and knows his stuff. Not only that, but his points about the Xbox's poor Japanese start and the possible link with Sega games appearing as exclusives on the console seem to be completely correct...

Sega have developed the new Panzer Dragoon solely for the console, and it looks like MS did buy the rights to the game. DM never said that the Xbox was bad (actually, over in the Sega room we've been excited by Jet Set Future and Panzer Dragoon for a while), but what he did say was that, like Sony and Nintendo, they'd bought rights to games from some developers to boost sales... and with Japanese sales low at the moment a Panzer Dragoon games should go down well.

So YH, what exactly did DM say to offend you so much to make you say: "pull your head out of your @rse"... the only thing I can think of is him not naming all the Sega games coming out. Appart from that, the rest of the post is 100% correct.

Sonic
Thu 27/06/02 at 12:09
Regular
"Eric The Half A Bee"
Posts: 5,347
P@st@ M@st@ wrote:
> Armatige Shanks wrote:
>
> lol... thats funny man
>
> And totally true!!!!!

lol.. no its not :)

That Rosen Enterprises Ltd. bought Service Games, and used the first two letters from the company's name to get Sega is true...

But Service Games was a large jukebox company,

They used their manufacturing plants to making 'electro-mechanical' (their words not mine) games which they exported to America and all over Japan.

Nothing to do with making 'arcade machines for the army during
the vietnam war.' :)

(also they are, and have always been based in Japan) :)

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