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Mon 17/06/02 at 18:40
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A while back somebody created a thread for people to give their site address for people to view, comment upon, etc..

Which I thought was a pretty cool thread, I enjoyed visiting members sites, seeing what they had done...

Unfortunately, I seem to remember that thread kinda degenerated into an argument about whether people were web designers or not?? ... I dunno...

Recently, I’ve seen a few 'criticise my site' threads about, which seemed to be doing pretty much the same thing, but on an more individual scale...

I was thinking that maybe we people could stick links to sites thy have created in this thread so people could compare, and discuss what we had done, how to improve, get some new ideas and some fresh perspectives?
Thu 20/06/02 at 09:50
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"Eric The Half A Bee"
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I should probably stick up my two site as well...

They were constructed using WòókieeMøn§†€®'s rules for amateur site creation...

WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> a) I don't claim to be a website designer!
> b) It was created using DreamWeaver
> c) I was not paid for it
> d) I'm not a graphic artist, so logos are very basic
> e) It was put together in spare time between work and playing games!

Their not very good, I know....

I stuck up both sites for a bit of fun... to see if I could create a non-FrontPage created site. Using Dreamweaver V1.? (I picked up off the cover of .Net a year or two back), and a trial copy of PSP

The results are... well, at best dubious :) ... There are a lot of very obvious cracks and flaws... So as long as you dont look too closely, you should be cool (myopic friendly web site?)

Just to explain 'the-quill'... (because it is that bad that it need explaining :) )... I was playing around with Pop-Ups at the time... and although Ive started changing it to a non-pop-up version, its a long way until its finally finished...

...

www.the-quill.com
www.cazbo.co.uk
Tue 18/06/02 at 22:17
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Try drinkfosters.com

It's really a site for me and my mates but any ideas about how I've designed it would be appreciated.

P.S. I know there are some dead links but I can't be bothered at the moment.
Tue 18/06/02 at 20:22
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"Eric The Half A Bee"
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Whooo! wrote:
> That was my "Show Us Your Portfolio" thread, that went
> slightly off topic toward the end...

Thats the one!... I thought it was a shame things took a turn for the worse... people were putting up some really interesting stuff!

I'm off to see what people have put together...
Tue 18/06/02 at 20:16
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"l33t cs50r"
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Nimco wrote:
> Tyla wrote:
> http://www.tyla.org.uk/babytyla/journal.html
> (Had to get this in really)

Cheers for the feedback on this but I forgot to mewntion that this is fed From Blogger.com so the content is fed from an XML source in the states into my site template. All the content is entered using IE and a Word GUI probably equalling the extra tags here and there and the wrong unicode...

Cheers again
Tue 18/06/02 at 16:48
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Tyla wrote:
> http://www.tyla.org.uk/babytyla/journal.html
> (Had to get this in really)

OK, I've had a look at this site as well... Well as far as I can tell, your links simply link to smaller pages breaking the 'updates' down by month. Rather than going through every monthly page individually, I will simply do the home page for you. So here goes....

First thing I came across in your code was the Character Encoding again. You have specified:
-
when you actually need to specify:
-

Secondly, was your usage of non-html characters without using the correct entity codes. The first was found in your June 10th 2002 entry, where you had written "£420" instead of "£420". The second was in the May 30th 2002 entry, where you had writen: "and to say it’s going to be tight". This looks OK, but actually the apostrophe you have used is an HTML entity, and looks as though it originated in MS Word or similar. To correct, replace with:
- "and to say it's going to be tight" [just a normal apostrophe].

Elsewhere in the code there are not too many errors. I will simply go through the ones detected by the W3C Validator. Firstly, you have tried to use the 'name' attribute for a . Simply replace with 'id' or 'summary' depending on what you were going to use it for.

Secondly, there is no 'height' attribute for
, and the height is determined by the 'size' attribute which you have also used.

Secondly, remove all
tags from between
    and
  • tags.

    Finally, move the

    tag from in front of the

  • tag, since the
  • tag overides the

    tag, making it appear as though the closing

    tag has no

    start tag... phew, that was confusing....!

    Other than that, the page is a bit long, though not excessive in size (about 21Kb HTML + 6Kb external files). Obviously I would suggest breaking it down (as you have done with the monthly archives), but perhaps removing previous months' entries from the home page, and simply provide a text link to each monthly archive page....

    Otherwise, as with your other site, very nice indeed...

    Tue 18/06/02 at 16:34
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    "How Handy."
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    Nimco, thanks very much for all those points, that is the most informative and helpful post i've read for a while, and i'll take all those parts into consideration.

    The Flash intro is something that still does need some tweeking, it's the first real flash work I've done, so I'm proud of it so far, but it still does need a few changes made.

    I'd only so far checked the index2 and home pages for validation, so that's why those work. I'll make the changes you suggest to the CSS, thanks for pointing the button out too, I didn't notice that, so I'll change it later.

    The site's still not finished yet, so the Meta Tags and non-iframe content I'll add in later, when i've got the rest done (probably just a divert to another version all together or something).

    I'm kinda proud of the design, I think it's clean, user friendly and simple, which is the entire theme, so it kinda goes well and suits the target audience of people who aren't computer geniuses.

    Portfolio site I'll redo with both your and tyla's suggestions, i'll take some screenshots and take the Under Construction part out (must finish that site some time..).


    As for the services page, this is the one I'm working on at the moment. Eventual idea is that each Product Name will be a link that will open a small JS window that dispays more details of the package (number of pages, technologies used etc), and below the packages I'm going to add lots of little options so people who know what they're doing can pick and choose what they need.

    I am planning on some kind of form for the contact page, as well as e-mail and phone/postal etc etc.

    Thanks for all the comments, I understand that it might seem negative but it's exactly what you need when your doing a site, some good critism not just "looks good" or "looks crap" or whatever. Your points were excellent, really helpful. Thanks.
    Tue 18/06/02 at 16:04
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    "l33t cs50r"
    Posts: 2,956
    Nimco wrote:
    > Tyla wrote:
    > http://www.tyla.org.uk/new
    > (still being played with, may actually finish it one day)
    >
    > The first thing I thought when I visited your home page was:
    > "WOW!!". You have used a black background and it works -
    > well! And as for your green lighty thing in the middle - how cool is
    > that?

    Thanks... I love it too and can teach you in about 10mins...


    > This is when I noticed the first problem - the green lighty thing. I'm
    > using IE6, and when you hover over an image in IE6, it gives you an
    > Image Toolbar where you can opt to Save, Print, or Email the picture.

    I forgot about IE6 and it's irritations... will fix soon. As I said though, this is still being played with so none of the code is final of finished yet.

    >Confident that your graphical design capabilities far
    > exceed mine, I decided to venture into the code.

    Eeek!! My boss told me that i was dangerously creative and that she would rather emply that creativity than loose it:-)


    > You declare your DTD as HTML 4.01 Transitional.

    **See previous note on unfinished

    > I also noticed that your images (at least on my
    > PC), did not restore onMouseOut - you may wish to look at this.
    > Finally, as I said to Whooo!, always ensure that effects do not rely
    > upon mouse action - add an onFocus and onBlur to complement
    > onMouseOver and onMouseOut respectively.

    Excellent... will do. Still picking up JS but getting there.
    Ther are a lot of bugs still to be fixed, and it's been a great help having someone like you point them out. It's funny how after working in this job all day, I fail to notice these things in my own site!

    Thanks for the awsome and constructive feedback, it's nice to have someone whose capable of giving proper comments as opposed to something pointless. Hopefully I'll get around to finishing it soon, have loads of changes to do and some new additions...

    As for the email address, I should change it really as I have @tyla.org.uk now too.

    Anyway... I would have replied in more detail, but fingers hurt!! Cheers again...

    Tyla
    Tue 18/06/02 at 15:32
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    Tyla wrote:
    > http://www.tyla.org.uk/new
    > (still being played with, may actually finish it one day)

    The first thing I thought when I visited your home page was: "WOW!!". You have used a black background and it works - well! And as for your green lighty thing in the middle - how cool is that? I've been trying to make something like that for ages, but I dunno how - lol! So I started playing around with some of the things on the page, hovering on this and that.

    This is when I noticed the first problem - the green lighty thing. I'm using IE6, and when you hover over an image in IE6, it gives you an Image Toolbar where you can opt to Save, Print, or Email the picture. This spoils the image, so here's what to do. You can either add the following code to your :



    or change the to the following:



    Either way, this will prevent the Image Toolbar from showing on that image. Next I started playing around with your links. I think that white border effect and subtle colour change works really well on that background. Confident that your graphical design capabilities far exceed mine, I decided to venture into the code. I noticed some things here you may wish to take a look at.

    You declare your DTD as HTML 4.01 Transitional. I ran a W3C validation on your page, and it threw up some errors. The first most obvious one was with your

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