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what happens when we die something must happen not just so u can only see black so what does happen let hear your what u think
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Plant tongue firmly in cheek:
George Michael used to sing about having faith, and he turned out to be a homosexual. What does that say for your Gods?
George Michael used to sing about having faith, and he turned out to be a homosexual. What does that say for your Gods?
You die and that's it.
Until I see proof otherwise.
And it must be real proof, not just some quiet bloke in a dog collar going "Ahhh but that's faith".
Faith can lick my bung
Until I see proof otherwise.
And it must be real proof, not just some quiet bloke in a dog collar going "Ahhh but that's faith".
Faith can lick my bung
Brew wrote:
> Don't you see the most blatant piece of evidence that god exists? You
> yourself pointed it out earlier in your argument. Go and look in the
> mirror, what do you see? You see one of the most advanced, complex
> pieces of machinery that has ever been seen on this world. Every part
> of your body is a work of art. Your eyes are instant cameras, but far
> more powerful. Your ears are complex positional listening devices.
> Your tongue which just happens to be placed in your mouth where it can
> savour the food that you eat. Your brain which analyzes all the data
> thrown at it and can give us the best thing we could ever ask for -
> happiness.
All of our senses are greatly surpassed by creatures in the animal kingdom. We are an inferior creation. The only thing we have going for us is our brains. A massively complex piece of biological machinery. As for eyes being instant cameras... You look in the mirror, just a glance. Now recall everything you saw, to the finest detail. Not just your face, but everything in the background. Can you do it? No. Your eyes do only one thing, make the visual sense available for your brain to interpret. It's not divine in any sense.
As for "happiness", it's just a combination of endorphines and chemical reactions in the brain, again, no mystery there, just complexity. We can also feel sadness, depression, stress, hate, fear. All of these typified by chemical reactions.
We can also feel pain - physical pain - from electrical signalling. This is not divine, in fact, it's little more than an information system for your brain.
> Why would all these incredibly complicated devices happen to appear on
> living matter. Why are we designed in such a way that we can enjoy
> life? Why aren't we just rolling blobs of fat that absorb nutrition
> from the soil and have no emotions or feelings?
These incredibly complex biologies exist because our natural environment dictates that we need them. As predators (which we are in essence) we need eyes to see, and we need our eyes in front of our head, to judge distances to prey. We need ears, to hear movement we can't see, to seek that which would evade us. We have a sense of smell, so we can sense those who would hunt us, and so that we can sense those we cannot see or hear. All our senses exist because they are necessary for our survival, not as some gift from the heavens. Even if you don't believe in evolution, you have to recognise that every creature on this earth is designed for its specific environment. That isn't devine influence, it's natural order. And who's to say we are designed to enjoy life? So we have thoughts and feelings. What is the most prominent of these in all human life?
Greed.
We are designed to carve out what we need, and to take what we want, when we can. We are designed to evaluate goals, and circumvent any obstacles in our path. We are six foot omeabas. This is why some live in the lap of luxury, while others suffer. This is why we war with one another. This is why we hate, why we love, why we destroy and conquer. We are the result of tens of thousands of years of greed.
> Why? It's because we were created, and created with the capability to
> enjoy life to the full, created by a loving god who cares. Anyone who
> cannot realise this most blatant piece of evidence of god's existence
> really hasn't given this matter much thought.
Cares? I hate this about religious folk. Even if by some "miracle" we were created by some God. But he doesn't care, he abandonded his creation thousands of years ago.
lots of people have pets, a caring pet owner ensures that his pet is never without, well looked after, and healthy.
Are we? Half the worlds population live in fear, poverty, disease. Surrounded by failure, death, destruction, war and famine. We live on the brink, despite what people think, incurable diseases are everywhere - ebola, aids, cancer. Tyrants rule over people who hate them, and deprive those people for their on glory. People cut down forests killing off hundreds of other species, just so that other people can have paper, or wooden ornaments, or just some landspace.
Not only are we killing off the world, we are killing off ourselves, and have been for millennia. If your God exists, be under no impression other than that he does not give a damn about you.
> Don't you see the most blatant piece of evidence that god exists? You
> yourself pointed it out earlier in your argument. Go and look in the
> mirror, what do you see? You see one of the most advanced, complex
> pieces of machinery that has ever been seen on this world. Every part
> of your body is a work of art. Your eyes are instant cameras, but far
> more powerful. Your ears are complex positional listening devices.
> Your tongue which just happens to be placed in your mouth where it can
> savour the food that you eat. Your brain which analyzes all the data
> thrown at it and can give us the best thing we could ever ask for -
> happiness.
All of our senses are greatly surpassed by creatures in the animal kingdom. We are an inferior creation. The only thing we have going for us is our brains. A massively complex piece of biological machinery. As for eyes being instant cameras... You look in the mirror, just a glance. Now recall everything you saw, to the finest detail. Not just your face, but everything in the background. Can you do it? No. Your eyes do only one thing, make the visual sense available for your brain to interpret. It's not divine in any sense.
As for "happiness", it's just a combination of endorphines and chemical reactions in the brain, again, no mystery there, just complexity. We can also feel sadness, depression, stress, hate, fear. All of these typified by chemical reactions.
We can also feel pain - physical pain - from electrical signalling. This is not divine, in fact, it's little more than an information system for your brain.
> Why would all these incredibly complicated devices happen to appear on
> living matter. Why are we designed in such a way that we can enjoy
> life? Why aren't we just rolling blobs of fat that absorb nutrition
> from the soil and have no emotions or feelings?
These incredibly complex biologies exist because our natural environment dictates that we need them. As predators (which we are in essence) we need eyes to see, and we need our eyes in front of our head, to judge distances to prey. We need ears, to hear movement we can't see, to seek that which would evade us. We have a sense of smell, so we can sense those who would hunt us, and so that we can sense those we cannot see or hear. All our senses exist because they are necessary for our survival, not as some gift from the heavens. Even if you don't believe in evolution, you have to recognise that every creature on this earth is designed for its specific environment. That isn't devine influence, it's natural order. And who's to say we are designed to enjoy life? So we have thoughts and feelings. What is the most prominent of these in all human life?
Greed.
We are designed to carve out what we need, and to take what we want, when we can. We are designed to evaluate goals, and circumvent any obstacles in our path. We are six foot omeabas. This is why some live in the lap of luxury, while others suffer. This is why we war with one another. This is why we hate, why we love, why we destroy and conquer. We are the result of tens of thousands of years of greed.
> Why? It's because we were created, and created with the capability to
> enjoy life to the full, created by a loving god who cares. Anyone who
> cannot realise this most blatant piece of evidence of god's existence
> really hasn't given this matter much thought.
Cares? I hate this about religious folk. Even if by some "miracle" we were created by some God. But he doesn't care, he abandonded his creation thousands of years ago.
lots of people have pets, a caring pet owner ensures that his pet is never without, well looked after, and healthy.
Are we? Half the worlds population live in fear, poverty, disease. Surrounded by failure, death, destruction, war and famine. We live on the brink, despite what people think, incurable diseases are everywhere - ebola, aids, cancer. Tyrants rule over people who hate them, and deprive those people for their on glory. People cut down forests killing off hundreds of other species, just so that other people can have paper, or wooden ornaments, or just some landspace.
Not only are we killing off the world, we are killing off ourselves, and have been for millennia. If your God exists, be under no impression other than that he does not give a damn about you.
Insane Bartender wrote:
> The complexity of biology for one, why should any "all
> powerful" life form see fit to create such a complex system?
>
But no amount of time bending will
> ever make God a fact. Unless he/she/it decides to show him/her/itself.
> Which I don't see happening tbh.
Don't you see the most blatant piece of evidence that god exists? You yourself pointed it out earlier in your argument. Go and look in the mirror, what do you see? You see one of the most advanced, complex pieces of machinery that has ever been seen on this world. Every part of your body is a work of art. Your eyes are instant cameras, but far more powerful. Your ears are complex positional listening devices. Your tongue which just happens to be placed in your mouth where it can savour the food that you eat. Your brain which analyzes all the data thrown at it and can give us the best thing we could ever ask for - happiness.
Why would all these incredibly complicated devices happen to appear on living matter. Why are we designed in such a way that we can enjoy life? Why aren't we just rolling blobs of fat that absorb nutrition from the soil and have no emotions or feelings?
Why? It's because we were created, and created with the capability to enjoy life to the full, created by a loving god who cares. Anyone who cannot realise this most blatant piece of evidence of god's existence really hasn't given this matter much thought.
> The complexity of biology for one, why should any "all
> powerful" life form see fit to create such a complex system?
>
But no amount of time bending will
> ever make God a fact. Unless he/she/it decides to show him/her/itself.
> Which I don't see happening tbh.
Don't you see the most blatant piece of evidence that god exists? You yourself pointed it out earlier in your argument. Go and look in the mirror, what do you see? You see one of the most advanced, complex pieces of machinery that has ever been seen on this world. Every part of your body is a work of art. Your eyes are instant cameras, but far more powerful. Your ears are complex positional listening devices. Your tongue which just happens to be placed in your mouth where it can savour the food that you eat. Your brain which analyzes all the data thrown at it and can give us the best thing we could ever ask for - happiness.
Why would all these incredibly complicated devices happen to appear on living matter. Why are we designed in such a way that we can enjoy life? Why aren't we just rolling blobs of fat that absorb nutrition from the soil and have no emotions or feelings?
Why? It's because we were created, and created with the capability to enjoy life to the full, created by a loving god who cares. Anyone who cannot realise this most blatant piece of evidence of god's existence really hasn't given this matter much thought.
Though slightly trailing away from the topic, I saw a program yesterday about parrallel universes. Now some scientists have come up with M-Theory.
This is that all universes are just membranes floating about in hyperspace. So maybe all these membranes make up a whole. Like a giant brain. And that brain is God in a sense and we are just part of this imagination to keep this entity entertained/happy/company.
Either that or I am mad...
This is that all universes are just membranes floating about in hyperspace. So maybe all these membranes make up a whole. Like a giant brain. And that brain is God in a sense and we are just part of this imagination to keep this entity entertained/happy/company.
Either that or I am mad...
When you die thats it.
When you die the many aspects of you are seperated in a number of different ways.
Through the memories of others your spirit lives on.
Depending upon your religious belief, your soul may move on to a better place, or get back in the queue to have another go.
And your body? Sooner or later it will be sold on for kebab meat.
Through the memories of others your spirit lives on.
Depending upon your religious belief, your soul may move on to a better place, or get back in the queue to have another go.
And your body? Sooner or later it will be sold on for kebab meat.
And before someone says it, no, you can't go back in time.
Oh, and there is only one way to find out if there is an afterlife...
The whole "half-evolved" argument is so stupid.
Why are there no half evolved humans? Well, they didn't adapt quick enough, and the fully evolved humans likely killed them all.
Why aren't monkeys evolving? Well, why should they? They have adapted well to their environment, and the only break in equilibrium is caused by us hacking down their trees.
As for the numerous arguments against evolution, sure, there are arguments against, but the evidence for the theory is equally strong. The complexity of biology for one, why should any "all powerful" life form see fit to create such a complex system? The answer is, they wouldn't. We would simply be shaped pieces of rock, or clay, capable of movement only because we have been gifted a soul.
Our appendix... Why is there?
Rats - master of adaptation, the species evolving with almost every generation to become immune to virus after virus, pesticide after pesticide.
Lungfish...
etc.
But it is still a theory, and until we learn to accelerate time in a controlled environment to observe species over prolongued time periods, it will never be fact. But no amount of time bending will ever make God a fact. Unless he/she/it decides to show him/her/itself. Which I don't see happening tbh.
Why are there no half evolved humans? Well, they didn't adapt quick enough, and the fully evolved humans likely killed them all.
Why aren't monkeys evolving? Well, why should they? They have adapted well to their environment, and the only break in equilibrium is caused by us hacking down their trees.
As for the numerous arguments against evolution, sure, there are arguments against, but the evidence for the theory is equally strong. The complexity of biology for one, why should any "all powerful" life form see fit to create such a complex system? The answer is, they wouldn't. We would simply be shaped pieces of rock, or clay, capable of movement only because we have been gifted a soul.
Our appendix... Why is there?
Rats - master of adaptation, the species evolving with almost every generation to become immune to virus after virus, pesticide after pesticide.
Lungfish...
etc.
But it is still a theory, and until we learn to accelerate time in a controlled environment to observe species over prolongued time periods, it will never be fact. But no amount of time bending will ever make God a fact. Unless he/she/it decides to show him/her/itself. Which I don't see happening tbh.
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