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PS2.
Now what has the PS2 really and truly going for it now?
Metal Gear Substance Hmm?
Well possibly, that's if you don't have the truly excellent MGS2 though.
But then there is Devil May Cry 2, all those pointless Mario Clones that will never succeed in Bettering Mario Sunshine such as Ratchet and Clank, because lets face it Mario Sunshine WILL be good, great in fact, Miyamoto is on Full Time with this one.
But really, think about it now of any other release that is a genuine buy will also be on Gamecube and Xbox. And when that happens we get better visuals with the GC and Xbox so why bother with PS2 versions?
And its been done before- Burnout it is Visually Better on GC than it is on PS2. Like- oooh so many others.......
Which brings me onto the PS2 graphics, they are sub standard!
The Majority of Games are very washed out looking- GTA3 for one and most have Jagged Edges too, plus the Flickering is appalling in some games.
Face it Sonyphiles, out of the three consoles that is out there the PS2 is the worst in terms of Visuals. The best in Visuals has to be the Gamecube followed by the Xbox. Im not being biased either, but its what I have seen and witnessed and played on EACH system to form that opinion, I own each system and take a very un-biased approach to each, if a game looks crap or plays crap ill not be afraid to say to others that it is crap, full stop.
Then we have the PS2 Controller, which is quite frankly against the other three consoles ranking Number two next to the Mighty Comfortable Gamecube effort. Having Nintendo ideas welded onto the Dual Shock (And inside the Plastic thing) it still gets a little too un-comfortable, which is shocking given where the ideas come from, the left analogue stick is awkwardly placed- fidgety and a pain. And the Analogue buttons are useless.
But lets ask one thing...A beloved machine? yes by countless millions, is the mightey PS2!.
It is only in the position it is now due to its older brother and its older brother was only successful because of Nintendo.
It is loved and cherished for all the wrong reasons, many people out there who stick by it are just too biased, too darn built up with their own mystic fantasies of it that they refuse to sample the delights of any other system. These same people, which the majority are teens, not the Teens that Sony claim to be aiming for but Children! Little children and older children. They have all got it into their head that the PS2 is the best thing ever created, they are the same people who's first console was the PS and never owned a non-Sony console in their life, which makes them blinkered even further.
Nintendo on the other hand have an average age group of 23 who own Gamecube's, consider that. And the Nintendo players have a long history with the company.
Sonyphiles, open your eyes. Sample the delights that is out there that hasn't a Sony Logo on it. You see, what I think is that Sonyphiles are afraid to do that, afraid to sample other machines to spend hours and nights and days on the greats of the XBox and GC in case they are drawn from the Sickly Beloved PS2's and realising there is better out there...by a mile!.
Am I right?
Now what has the PS2 really and truly going for it now?
Metal Gear Substance Hmm?
Well possibly, that's if you don't have the truly excellent MGS2 though.
But then there is Devil May Cry 2, all those pointless Mario Clones that will never succeed in Bettering Mario Sunshine such as Ratchet and Clank, because lets face it Mario Sunshine WILL be good, great in fact, Miyamoto is on Full Time with this one.
But really, think about it now of any other release that is a genuine buy will also be on Gamecube and Xbox. And when that happens we get better visuals with the GC and Xbox so why bother with PS2 versions?
And its been done before- Burnout it is Visually Better on GC than it is on PS2. Like- oooh so many others.......
Which brings me onto the PS2 graphics, they are sub standard!
The Majority of Games are very washed out looking- GTA3 for one and most have Jagged Edges too, plus the Flickering is appalling in some games.
Face it Sonyphiles, out of the three consoles that is out there the PS2 is the worst in terms of Visuals. The best in Visuals has to be the Gamecube followed by the Xbox. Im not being biased either, but its what I have seen and witnessed and played on EACH system to form that opinion, I own each system and take a very un-biased approach to each, if a game looks crap or plays crap ill not be afraid to say to others that it is crap, full stop.
Then we have the PS2 Controller, which is quite frankly against the other three consoles ranking Number two next to the Mighty Comfortable Gamecube effort. Having Nintendo ideas welded onto the Dual Shock (And inside the Plastic thing) it still gets a little too un-comfortable, which is shocking given where the ideas come from, the left analogue stick is awkwardly placed- fidgety and a pain. And the Analogue buttons are useless.
But lets ask one thing...A beloved machine? yes by countless millions, is the mightey PS2!.
It is only in the position it is now due to its older brother and its older brother was only successful because of Nintendo.
It is loved and cherished for all the wrong reasons, many people out there who stick by it are just too biased, too darn built up with their own mystic fantasies of it that they refuse to sample the delights of any other system. These same people, which the majority are teens, not the Teens that Sony claim to be aiming for but Children! Little children and older children. They have all got it into their head that the PS2 is the best thing ever created, they are the same people who's first console was the PS and never owned a non-Sony console in their life, which makes them blinkered even further.
Nintendo on the other hand have an average age group of 23 who own Gamecube's, consider that. And the Nintendo players have a long history with the company.
Sonyphiles, open your eyes. Sample the delights that is out there that hasn't a Sony Logo on it. You see, what I think is that Sonyphiles are afraid to do that, afraid to sample other machines to spend hours and nights and days on the greats of the XBox and GC in case they are drawn from the Sickly Beloved PS2's and realising there is better out there...by a mile!.
Am I right?
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Wookiee was talking about games being FIRST on the PS2...
And there are many games that are identical, graphically.
And there are many games that are identical, graphically.
Turbonutter wrote:
> SMÉAGOL wrote:
> Er, what "many" cases is that exactly?
>
> Jesus there's hundreds, are you blind?
>
> Think of every multiformat game - EVERY SINGLE ONE has been on PS2
> first.
I think you have mis-understood me, I 'Meant' PS2 games that are on GC that is graphically superior. Which there is none, isn't there?
> SMÉAGOL wrote:
> Er, what "many" cases is that exactly?
>
> Jesus there's hundreds, are you blind?
>
> Think of every multiformat game - EVERY SINGLE ONE has been on PS2
> first.
I think you have mis-understood me, I 'Meant' PS2 games that are on GC that is graphically superior. Which there is none, isn't there?
SMÉAGOL wrote:
> WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Because it's not always the case. And in many cases, the PS2
> version
> is there first.
>
> Er, what "many" cases is that exactly?
Jesus there's hundreds, are you blind?
Think of every multiformat game - EVERY SINGLE ONE has been on PS2 first.
> WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Because it's not always the case. And in many cases, the PS2
> version
> is there first.
>
> Er, what "many" cases is that exactly?
Jesus there's hundreds, are you blind?
Think of every multiformat game - EVERY SINGLE ONE has been on PS2 first.
SMEAGOL, I've already said this, the GC's is graphically superior but it's the same game.
Oh, and it's not smoother, the PS2 version hadly ever drops framerate. And yes, I've played the sodding GameCube version...
Oh, and it's not smoother, the PS2 version hadly ever drops framerate. And yes, I've played the sodding GameCube version...
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Because it's not always the case. And in many cases, the PS2 version
> is there first.
Er, what "many" cases is that exactly?
> Because it's not always the case. And in many cases, the PS2 version
> is there first.
Er, what "many" cases is that exactly?
Turbonutter wrote:
> Anyway, Wookiee is right, Burnout is still a damn good game, and it's
> exactly the same on both formats.
Oh but there is where you are wrong. The GC version looks better and indeed is a lot smoother which is very noticable up against the PS2 version. Go play it for yourself.
> Anyway, Wookiee is right, Burnout is still a damn good game, and it's
> exactly the same on both formats.
Oh but there is where you are wrong. The GC version looks better and indeed is a lot smoother which is very noticable up against the PS2 version. Go play it for yourself.
It's called Irony. And it does have bump mapping. I shall take my camera upstairs later and prove this.
Anyway, Wookiee is right, Burnout is still a damn good game, and it's exactly the same on both formats.
Anyway, Wookiee is right, Burnout is still a damn good game, and it's exactly the same on both formats.
TBN - The PS2 did have a 60hz option, perhaps, but no bump mapping. And don't steal my words. I criticised you with them in your post and now you're using them against me.
Anyway, Wookie's reply was true - graphics are not the main issue. But then again, it is true that the GC version was graphically superior.
Anyway, Wookie's reply was true - graphics are not the main issue. But then again, it is true that the GC version was graphically superior.
½pint, get your facts right before you be biased and small-minded, the PS2 version does have a 60hz option and bump mapping. At least I play the games before I rubbish them.
½pint wrote:
> That's not true. The PS2 version was appalingly jagged - the cars,
> all of them had terrible jagged edges. It was probably the worst case
> of jagged edges seen in a PS2 game.
There are far worse looking games than Burnout on the PS2.
Ridge Racer V was far worse, for a start.
But - be perfectly honest - when a game is in full flow, especially something as fast as Burnout, do you ever *really* notice the edges of the graphics? I don't - not even on RRV. The only time I ever notice is when a game is paused.
I can even see jaggies on Rogue Squadron on the 'cube (very much so in the cutscenes), and Halo on the Xbox!
> That's not true. The PS2 version was appalingly jagged - the cars,
> all of them had terrible jagged edges. It was probably the worst case
> of jagged edges seen in a PS2 game.
There are far worse looking games than Burnout on the PS2.
Ridge Racer V was far worse, for a start.
But - be perfectly honest - when a game is in full flow, especially something as fast as Burnout, do you ever *really* notice the edges of the graphics? I don't - not even on RRV. The only time I ever notice is when a game is paused.
I can even see jaggies on Rogue Squadron on the 'cube (very much so in the cutscenes), and Halo on the Xbox!
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