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"PS2 Going Down"

with the GameCube and the X-box to contend with
i think the Ps2 is heading for the bottom, as both the new ones have tones of quality games heading for the shops although GTA vice city is gonna be a block buster, and send the GC and the Brick, i mean Xbox packing for a while, although they will rise with other titles in the future !

WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Personally, I love them. The original was fantastic.

The original was definatly the best, I loved that game. The second was cool to, nothing great but still cool, the third, I forget.... what number is this next one going to be?

Belldandy wrote:
> Lol, you shall have to keep looking forward as well for the time
> being....

Yes indeedy.

Still, probably just as well with the other games due across all platforms this Xmas.

WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Personally, I love them. The original was fantastic. Granted the
> sequels brought very little new to the table, but I still enjoyed
> playing them - and I'm really looking forward to Angel of Darkness.

Lol, you shall have to keep looking forward as well for the time being....

~~Belldandy~~

Whitestripes wrote:
> Tomb Raider games are down right awful.

Personally, I love them. The original was fantastic. Granted the sequels brought very little new to the table, but I still enjoyed playing them - and I'm really looking forward to Angel of Darkness.

Belldandy wrote:
> Stuntman, Tekken 4, Hitman 2 and Onimusha 2 were all good games, but
> nowhere sold out did they ?

I've no idea as I only went into one shop. Others may well have been sold out - I don't make a habit of asking them all. Still, most places in Northampton DID sell out of Extermination when that came out, and that wasn't even considered a major title.

Besides, I'd be very surprised if a Mario game didn't sell out - especially being the first Mario game on a new console. Not *exactly* a fair comparison. But it also depends on the quantity available.

Just because something sells out doesn't mean it's sold in massive numbers. It's not unheard of for companies to deliberately restrict supply so that they can claim "sellout success" - a charge I recall being levelled at Sony when PS2 was launched! Sometimes an item being 'sold out' can do more for sales than being freely available.

Regardless - a console's success is still based on unit sales, and not games. And I bet Vice City is the Xmas Number 1 game! :-)

"Angel Of Darkness" is supposed to have taken a new look and changed the normal bemani Tomb Raider engine.

I myself did fall for the whole Lara buzz at the time (only for the storyline) but then I realised that the sequels had little new to offer and that all Tomb Raider games were practically all the same.

Won't mind giving Lara one though ...on Angel of Darkness of course.

Whitestripes wrote:
> Tomb Raider games are down right awful.
>
> I've never liked any of them.

Wow, something me and Whitestripes agree on. ;-))

I think the Lara Croft character is the only thing that sold Tomb Raider games. The games are so boring that it seems like a chore to finish them - for me anyway.

You're obviously a Gatesy bum-licker Smoothtarget, but I can tell you that the PS2 is going nowhere else but the top.

Xbox is most likely to fall seeing that it didn't receive as much attention as both the GameCube and PS2. Also, the PS2 has quite a number of top-notch games coming out this autumn/winter while the Xbox doesn't. Most of the games I've heard about or played for the Xbox have been of poor quality.

The PS2 may have competition with the GameCube, but not with the Xbox. Things may change in the future though, say if Gatesy got his head screwed on properly.

WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Very true. So based on console unit sales, which games will they make
> most profit from?
>
> And if they aren't interested in shifting the console units, it will
> stay that way for quite some time.

Retailers do not just blindly look at unit sales and say "yeah PS2 has sold the most so we'll support it more" - they look at their own sales figures for games, and how those sales have changed since other formats have entered the market. Stuntman, Tekken 4, Hitman 2 and Onimusha 2 were all good games, but nowhere sold out did they ? Mario Sunshine - when it came out that Friday Gamestation had sold out in Nottingham by midday, Game nearly had, so had Another World, Play.com, Woolworths and Virgin Megastore - that's the kind of thing retailers want.

I also think that, when retailers don't emphasise selling hardware over software then the games a system has become all important - you need a wide variety. This Christmas loads of consoles will sell, and a majority will be bought by parents for children this time. Now some parents do know whats what about consoles, but most of the ones I see where I work don't. Kid's may like GTA, but most parents who buy the consoles aren't too keen, especially if they ask anyone what the game involves :) Nintendo certainly have the better, varied lineup at the moment - though obviously its still a while to christmas yet. Microsoft ? I don't know, Xbox live is a nice idea but I think doing Broadband only excludes too many people, plus MS will hike up the cost after the first year because MS will have created it's own monopoly with Xbox online gamers.

Honestly, I think Nintendo will be the winners this Christmas, they've got quality, variety and the lowest price tag.

~~Belldandy~~

Belldandy wrote:
> Retailers are interested in shifting games though, not consoles which
> they make very little on.

Very true. So based on console unit sales, which games will they make most profit from?

And if they aren't interested in shifting the console units, it will stay that way for quite some time.