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Update2.01 (and Top Score), why do you seem to think you have to constantly preach about the PS2 so much? I just don't get it.
Yeah I own a PS2, and yeah there are some great games around for it, but at the end of the day, *it's a games machine*. You know? In three or four years you'll be playing on a PS3 or some other new console and I’ve no doubt that then, you'll be extolling the virtues of that machine over all others. Well, anyone crazy enough to listen to you.
Anyone would think you had shares in Sony.
You own a PS2. You like playing it. You think it's brilliant. Fair enough, but why do you feel that everyone else has to agree with you. It seems that in your mind, if you don't worship the ground your PS2 sits on that you aren't a real gamer.
By not playing PC games you are missing out on some of the greatest games of all time. Fact!
Conversely, if you *only* play PC games, then you are missing out on some truly amazing games on the three main consoles. Fact!
Surely a *true gamer* is open to all games, regardless of what they run on. After all, if you're a true gamer, the most important thing is games. If you spent half as much energy enjoying your games as you did trying to preach the PS2 gospel, you'd have lots more fun.
To be honest people like you aren't real gamers at all. In fact you are the type of people who give gamers a bad name.
Real gamers just want to play good games and enjoy doing so. And if that happens to mean playing it on a PC, PS2, GameCube, Xbox, Dreamcast, GBA, Amiga or Vectrx, then that’s what they’ll do.
Good games rule, regardless of the format.
You're just a petty fanboy. You need to just grow up.
Yeah I own a PS2, and yeah there are some great games around for it, but at the end of the day, *it's a games machine*. You know? In three or four years you'll be playing on a PS3 or some other new console and I’ve no doubt that then, you'll be extolling the virtues of that machine over all others. Well, anyone crazy enough to listen to you.
Anyone would think you had shares in Sony.
You own a PS2. You like playing it. You think it's brilliant. Fair enough, but why do you feel that everyone else has to agree with you. It seems that in your mind, if you don't worship the ground your PS2 sits on that you aren't a real gamer.
By not playing PC games you are missing out on some of the greatest games of all time. Fact!
Conversely, if you *only* play PC games, then you are missing out on some truly amazing games on the three main consoles. Fact!
Surely a *true gamer* is open to all games, regardless of what they run on. After all, if you're a true gamer, the most important thing is games. If you spent half as much energy enjoying your games as you did trying to preach the PS2 gospel, you'd have lots more fun.
To be honest people like you aren't real gamers at all. In fact you are the type of people who give gamers a bad name.
Real gamers just want to play good games and enjoy doing so. And if that happens to mean playing it on a PC, PS2, GameCube, Xbox, Dreamcast, GBA, Amiga or Vectrx, then that’s what they’ll do.
Good games rule, regardless of the format.
You're just a petty fanboy. You need to just grow up.
I guess asking for a little courtesy from people who didn't have a clue what they are talking about was asking that little too much...
Update2.01 wrote:
> You got a pc for games. No console. Over time, you will acquire a
> number of pc games. Got em all running, good. 3 years later you decide
> to upgrade or you are forced to upgrade because you want to run newer
> software. Whichever, you do the upgrade. Often a combination of
> software and hardware. What happens if some of your 3 year games don't
> run on the upgraded system? Get a patch from the net, right? Fine,
> provided there is one! If there is not, tough luck - you can't play
> that game any more.
I thought this was a problem, but it isn't. There are two solutions:
1) retention of previous versions of windows.
This allows you to use the drivers that older games rely on to work, and also have a more recent version of windows for everything else. Sure, an old version of windows might take up a Gig, but that equates to less than £1 at todays harddrive prices.
I would love to see you PS2 owners get a Gig of memory card for the same price.
2) emulation.
Emulators exist that allow you to play older games on newer systems. They aren't hard to find, and are free to download. I can play games 15 years old on my PC today.
Can you play 15 year old Sony games on your PS2? No? Unlucky.
> You got a pc for games. No console. Over time, you will acquire a
> number of pc games. Got em all running, good. 3 years later you decide
> to upgrade or you are forced to upgrade because you want to run newer
> software. Whichever, you do the upgrade. Often a combination of
> software and hardware. What happens if some of your 3 year games don't
> run on the upgraded system? Get a patch from the net, right? Fine,
> provided there is one! If there is not, tough luck - you can't play
> that game any more.
I thought this was a problem, but it isn't. There are two solutions:
1) retention of previous versions of windows.
This allows you to use the drivers that older games rely on to work, and also have a more recent version of windows for everything else. Sure, an old version of windows might take up a Gig, but that equates to less than £1 at todays harddrive prices.
I would love to see you PS2 owners get a Gig of memory card for the same price.
2) emulation.
Emulators exist that allow you to play older games on newer systems. They aren't hard to find, and are free to download. I can play games 15 years old on my PC today.
Can you play 15 year old Sony games on your PS2? No? Unlucky.
Update2.01 wrote:
> You got a pc for games. No console. Over time, you will acquire a
> number of pc games. Got em all running, good. 3 years later you decide
> to upgrade or you are forced to upgrade because you want to run newer
> software. Whichever, you do the upgrade. Often a combination of
> software and hardware. What happens if some of your 3 year games don't
> run on the upgraded system? Get a patch from the net, right? Fine,
> provided there is one! If there is not, tough luck - you can't play
> that game any more.
I thought this was a problem, but it isn't. There are two solutions:
1) retention of previous versions of windows.
This allows you to use the drivers that older games rely on to work, and also have a more recent version of windows for everything else. Sure, an old version of windows might take up a Gig, but that equates to less than £1 at todays harddrive prices.
I would love to see you PS2 owners get a Gig of memory card for the same price.
2) emulation.
Emulators exist that allow you to play older games on newer systems. They aren't hard to find, and are free to download. I can play games 15 years old on my PC today.
Can you play 15 year old Sony games on your PS2? No? Unlucky.
>
> PS/PS1 was around for a long time. Upgrade to a PS2, not a problem.
> Also plays PS1 games.
>
> *Yep, a small selection of PS1 games dont work on PS2. But I expect
> there are many more pc games that have not been patched to run on new
> hardware & OS software over the same time period.
> You got a pc for games. No console. Over time, you will acquire a
> number of pc games. Got em all running, good. 3 years later you decide
> to upgrade or you are forced to upgrade because you want to run newer
> software. Whichever, you do the upgrade. Often a combination of
> software and hardware. What happens if some of your 3 year games don't
> run on the upgraded system? Get a patch from the net, right? Fine,
> provided there is one! If there is not, tough luck - you can't play
> that game any more.
I thought this was a problem, but it isn't. There are two solutions:
1) retention of previous versions of windows.
This allows you to use the drivers that older games rely on to work, and also have a more recent version of windows for everything else. Sure, an old version of windows might take up a Gig, but that equates to less than £1 at todays harddrive prices.
I would love to see you PS2 owners get a Gig of memory card for the same price.
2) emulation.
Emulators exist that allow you to play older games on newer systems. They aren't hard to find, and are free to download. I can play games 15 years old on my PC today.
Can you play 15 year old Sony games on your PS2? No? Unlucky.
>
> PS/PS1 was around for a long time. Upgrade to a PS2, not a problem.
> Also plays PS1 games.
>
> *Yep, a small selection of PS1 games dont work on PS2. But I expect
> there are many more pc games that have not been patched to run on new
> hardware & OS software over the same time period.
Update2.01 wrote:
> This is an insult to people who have bought software in good faith,
> and then found it to be buggy. Or, people who have bought a pc in good
> faith and find there are problems with it.
No, it's not. I've yet to buy a piece of software that caused my PC to reset due a software bug per sé. Usually it's because I haven't read the installation instructions properly. Yes, software can be released buggy, which isn't to say it's unplayable, it's just not 100% perfect. Cé la vié. I'm willing to play a 99% version of a good game, especially given that I can't get anything better anywhere else.
> I knew some one who had a
> brand new PC with internal modem. Yep, that's right the modem didn't
> work. Wasn't his fault. Think it took about 2 weeks to get it sorted.
I've known people to take home consoles from the shop, and wahoo, they didn't work. If you think anyone - I mean ANYONE - releases hardware that just plain doesn't work, then you are so very, very wrong.
> Point is, some people do screw up their software, delete system
> file's, etc. But a lot of people DON'T mess with it, only install new
> software - yet this group of people also suffer from bugs and faults.
> It's people like you which "put up with it" and "accept
> it" as it is that means they will keep making hardware and
> software which is below par and continue to get away with it.
Most people suffer from bugs and glitches for two reasons:
1) fiddling with settings without proper knowledge of what they are doing
2) installing/uninstalling/fiddling with software without knowledge of what they are doing, or having read the installation instructions.
Sure, some software has bugs, but nothing that can't be fixed with a patch from either the internet, or any half decent PC mag. There is no great problem. If every PC suffered from insolvable bugs and irrevocable glitches, then there would be uproar. I see no revolution. Mainly because there isn't a problem. I re-iterate - PCs are for people who know what they are doing. I'll keep saying it till it gets through the seeming impenetrably vast thickness of your unrelenting skull.
> Right now, console's are not suffering this. I will GUARANTEE you that
> if PS2 had a number of bugs or a PS2 game had a number of FATAL
> fault's, they would be forced to put it right. This is because the
> console buying public expect things to work as well as their TV or
> HIFI. And why shouldn't it!
Console games cannot be released with a number of bugs. It simply cannot happen. If it gets released, and maybe sells a few hundred thousand on launch day, these games have to be recalled and replaced with a corrected version. The cost of this sort of action is absolutely huge. Therefore, the developers have to get it right first time, a reason why you see far more console games suffering from delays than you do PC games. PC games can be released with a caviot promising an update to some known gaming flaws and issues. PC gamers - true PC gamers - know this, and accept it. After all, it means we get games when we expect them, and know that the developers are faithfully working on improvements to the game AT NO EXTRA CHARGE.
> Umm, well it looks like your PC spends a lot of time on defrag
> according to an earlier post of yours....
> “Oh, and I don't have to wait for my PC to boot up. It automatically
> defrags and reboots regularly while I'm sleeping.”
> Ok, so you set it to automatic, but here’s another task you don’t have
> to do on a console.
PCs only need defragging because of excessive file movements, something a good PC owner knows how to keep track of. You don't have it on consoles because consoles have far, far, far less functionality, and with the exception of the XBOX, don't have a harddrive to maintain anyway. I have spent absolutely no time in the last 2 years defragging my pc. My time meaning time I have to take away from doing something else to make sure it gets done.
I look forward to having this conversation again once the PS2 harddrive is available, and games for the PS2 start coming out for harddrive owners only.
> This is an insult to people who have bought software in good faith,
> and then found it to be buggy. Or, people who have bought a pc in good
> faith and find there are problems with it.
No, it's not. I've yet to buy a piece of software that caused my PC to reset due a software bug per sé. Usually it's because I haven't read the installation instructions properly. Yes, software can be released buggy, which isn't to say it's unplayable, it's just not 100% perfect. Cé la vié. I'm willing to play a 99% version of a good game, especially given that I can't get anything better anywhere else.
> I knew some one who had a
> brand new PC with internal modem. Yep, that's right the modem didn't
> work. Wasn't his fault. Think it took about 2 weeks to get it sorted.
I've known people to take home consoles from the shop, and wahoo, they didn't work. If you think anyone - I mean ANYONE - releases hardware that just plain doesn't work, then you are so very, very wrong.
> Point is, some people do screw up their software, delete system
> file's, etc. But a lot of people DON'T mess with it, only install new
> software - yet this group of people also suffer from bugs and faults.
> It's people like you which "put up with it" and "accept
> it" as it is that means they will keep making hardware and
> software which is below par and continue to get away with it.
Most people suffer from bugs and glitches for two reasons:
1) fiddling with settings without proper knowledge of what they are doing
2) installing/uninstalling/fiddling with software without knowledge of what they are doing, or having read the installation instructions.
Sure, some software has bugs, but nothing that can't be fixed with a patch from either the internet, or any half decent PC mag. There is no great problem. If every PC suffered from insolvable bugs and irrevocable glitches, then there would be uproar. I see no revolution. Mainly because there isn't a problem. I re-iterate - PCs are for people who know what they are doing. I'll keep saying it till it gets through the seeming impenetrably vast thickness of your unrelenting skull.
> Right now, console's are not suffering this. I will GUARANTEE you that
> if PS2 had a number of bugs or a PS2 game had a number of FATAL
> fault's, they would be forced to put it right. This is because the
> console buying public expect things to work as well as their TV or
> HIFI. And why shouldn't it!
Console games cannot be released with a number of bugs. It simply cannot happen. If it gets released, and maybe sells a few hundred thousand on launch day, these games have to be recalled and replaced with a corrected version. The cost of this sort of action is absolutely huge. Therefore, the developers have to get it right first time, a reason why you see far more console games suffering from delays than you do PC games. PC games can be released with a caviot promising an update to some known gaming flaws and issues. PC gamers - true PC gamers - know this, and accept it. After all, it means we get games when we expect them, and know that the developers are faithfully working on improvements to the game AT NO EXTRA CHARGE.
> Umm, well it looks like your PC spends a lot of time on defrag
> according to an earlier post of yours....
> “Oh, and I don't have to wait for my PC to boot up. It automatically
> defrags and reboots regularly while I'm sleeping.”
> Ok, so you set it to automatic, but here’s another task you don’t have
> to do on a console.
PCs only need defragging because of excessive file movements, something a good PC owner knows how to keep track of. You don't have it on consoles because consoles have far, far, far less functionality, and with the exception of the XBOX, don't have a harddrive to maintain anyway. I have spent absolutely no time in the last 2 years defragging my pc. My time meaning time I have to take away from doing something else to make sure it gets done.
I look forward to having this conversation again once the PS2 harddrive is available, and games for the PS2 start coming out for harddrive owners only.
Note he say "PS2 Advantage" and not console. Ahh the fanboy blood runs deep through his veins, and still actually believes he knows what he’s talking about.
Here's another PS2 advantage.
You got a pc for games. No console. Over time, you will acquire a number of pc games. Got em all running, good. 3 years later you decide to upgrade or you are forced to upgrade because you want to run newer software. Whichever, you do the upgrade. Often a combination of software and hardware. What happens if some of your 3 year games don't run on the upgraded system? Get a patch from the net, right? Fine, provided there is one! If there is not, tough luck - you can't play that game any more.
PS/PS1 was around for a long time. Upgrade to a PS2, not a problem. Also plays PS1 games.
*Yep, a small selection of PS1 games dont work on PS2. But I expect there are many more pc games that have not been patched to run on new hardware & OS software over the same time period.
You got a pc for games. No console. Over time, you will acquire a number of pc games. Got em all running, good. 3 years later you decide to upgrade or you are forced to upgrade because you want to run newer software. Whichever, you do the upgrade. Often a combination of software and hardware. What happens if some of your 3 year games don't run on the upgraded system? Get a patch from the net, right? Fine, provided there is one! If there is not, tough luck - you can't play that game any more.
PS/PS1 was around for a long time. Upgrade to a PS2, not a problem. Also plays PS1 games.
*Yep, a small selection of PS1 games dont work on PS2. But I expect there are many more pc games that have not been patched to run on new hardware & OS software over the same time period.
Insane Bartender wrote:
> When my PC resets, or needs maintenance, it's because I've been
> screwing with the settings, not because of the games.
This is an insult to people who have bought software in good faith, and then found it to be buggy. Or, people who have bought a pc in good faith and find there are problems with it. I knew some one who had a brand new PC with internal modem. Yep, that's right the modem didn't work. Wasn't his fault. Think it took about 2 weeks to get it sorted. Point is, some people do screw up their software, delete system file's, etc. But a lot of people DON'T mess with it, only install new software - yet this group of people also suffer from bugs and faults. It's people like you which "put up with it" and "accept it" as it is that means they will keep making hardware and software which is below par and continue to get away with it.
Right now, console's are not suffering this. I will GUARANTEE you that if PS2 had a number of bugs or a PS2 game had a number of FATAL fault's, they would be forced to put it right. This is because the console buying public expect things to work as well as their TV or HIFI. And why shouldn't it!
> I don't spend half my evenings defragging hard drives. In fact, I
> spend NO TIME doing that.
Umm, well it looks like your PC spends a lot of time on defrag according to an earlier post of yours....
“Oh, and I don't have to wait for my PC to boot up. It automatically defrags and reboots regularly while I'm sleeping.”
Ok, so you set it to automatic, but here’s another task you don’t have to do on a console.
> When my PC resets, or needs maintenance, it's because I've been
> screwing with the settings, not because of the games.
This is an insult to people who have bought software in good faith, and then found it to be buggy. Or, people who have bought a pc in good faith and find there are problems with it. I knew some one who had a brand new PC with internal modem. Yep, that's right the modem didn't work. Wasn't his fault. Think it took about 2 weeks to get it sorted. Point is, some people do screw up their software, delete system file's, etc. But a lot of people DON'T mess with it, only install new software - yet this group of people also suffer from bugs and faults. It's people like you which "put up with it" and "accept it" as it is that means they will keep making hardware and software which is below par and continue to get away with it.
Right now, console's are not suffering this. I will GUARANTEE you that if PS2 had a number of bugs or a PS2 game had a number of FATAL fault's, they would be forced to put it right. This is because the console buying public expect things to work as well as their TV or HIFI. And why shouldn't it!
> I don't spend half my evenings defragging hard drives. In fact, I
> spend NO TIME doing that.
Umm, well it looks like your PC spends a lot of time on defrag according to an earlier post of yours....
“Oh, and I don't have to wait for my PC to boot up. It automatically defrags and reboots regularly while I'm sleeping.”
Ok, so you set it to automatic, but here’s another task you don’t have to do on a console.
Amen to that IB.
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