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Anyone else think that America can be egotistical a lot of the time? I mean, I think that many Americans think that they're better than us, and that the 'good ol US of A' is any better than Britain. Is it just me, or do they have a different word for everything? Is it because they have to be better than us, or is it just for the sake of it, or something else? I'm stumped, so a little help here is appreciated.
How about ignorance of Americans in the media? A good example of this is Demolition Man. At an awards ceremony, Wesley Snipes and Sylvester Stallone ignored Nigel Hawthorne, a co-actor in the film. Did I mention that he was british?
Do Americans think of us as posh? In television, I see a helluva lot of prejudiced or hilarity at the expense of us, as we are portrayed as crumpet eating, tea drinking people who are completely shielded from the bad matters of the world.
My friend has just come back from Florida, and he had the following conversion with a cashier in a resturant:
Friend: Hello. I'd like a bottle of water please.
Cashier: A what?
Friend: A bottle of water.
Cashier 2: He means a bottle of water (in American accent)
Cashier: Oh, here you go.
*Hands my friend a 'bottle of water'*
Who actually spoke the English language first - America or England?
I do admire America's patriotism though, something which is somewhat a rarity here, with people too scared to show their traits, because there are so many ethnic minorities in the country now (I dare say it's a bad thing, however).
I'm not keen on America, but I love their taffy :0)
What do you think?
Well duh, not on food, basically its anything thats got VAT added
> on. Why is it cheaper for me to order DVDs from America, ship them halfway
> around the world, than it is to just go down the shops ? Same goes for CD
> albums. Consoles and games work out cheaper abroad as well, well outside Europe
> anyway. Our petrol costs more, our cars cost more, everything is expensive in
> Britain.
*Are you suggesting that you can't afford these things?
Anyone whose doing
> social policy or a human geography degree, or even A Level knows plenty about
> this. 1 in 5 uk households live on less than half the national average income,
*Thats usually people who have very little education due to their choice to drop out of school.
> and thats just one fact, we have over 1 million unemployed, thats
> another.
*Out of how many?
>
A poor excuse, though it is the typical labour spin doctor
> approach. In Derby, close to me, violent crime is up 6%, sex Crimes 7.6%,
> robbery 47.9%, Burglary 2%. this is mirrored in every city and town across the
> UK. All cities now have regualr armed patrols, nottingham has seen 6 deaths from
> shooting already this year, in public places, two at a nightclub where a guy
> just pulled the weapon and shot these two guys.
*Like when that kid in Tennesse killed almost his whole year with a shotgun?
>
There is less gun
> crime in the USA because so many carry weapons. In Utah it was awell publicised
> fact that crime is very low because so many people carry guns.
*That is a typical US spin doctor approach, shootings happen waaaay more frequently in the US then they do down here.
? Okay....of course it means a higher percentage ! A
> higher percentage, even with a growing population, is a relative
> increase.
* Hmmm of about three people, and it's no worse than the US.
>Highest rates
> of
> teenage pregnancies
*see
> above
Yes, see above.
*see above once more
>Hatred of anything remotely different
> to
> the norm
* Better than spending years writing a book about how elvis
> killed
> JFK
No its not. We allow racist parties like the BNP to exist,
> we protest against asylum seekers who need our help
* Not asylum seekers, econmic refugees, idiot.
, we are very racially
> intolerant, generally ignoarant of any religion apart from christianity
*Thats why we can't fly the english flag in case it insults some people.
, and
> write far stupider books that the one you suggest.
*Name one.
Damn right, we're easily the most mannerless western
> society.
Not really, I haven't seen any proof of that.
>Massive use of swearing in even everyday
> converstations is
> very
> commonplace
*Running out of ideas?
the fact you dont see tis as a
> problem proves my point, swearing is crude.
* Why is it crude, how can you take offence to a word that means Faeces or sexual intercourse!!!?
George at
> least is taking measures to better his country and is tackling issues like crime
> and unemployment.
* He can't spell any of those words for a start.
Under the late mayor Giuliani in NYC crime was reduced to
> nearly zero because of zero tolerance policies. What do we have ? Blunkett
> annoying most of the police force which are undermanned.
* What about the other US cities?
The health system is in
> turmoil with understaffing, 1 million waiting to be seen, and a catalogue of
> avoidable deaths building up.
* You see thats why I'm private, and anyway that isn't a valid argument because the US doesn't have a health service you have to pay when you go in.
www.skynews.co.uk. Lord carter, a senior government whip, has
> been illegally running two pig farms whilst pushing for animal cruelty laws to
> be toughened, hes profited to the tune of about 1/4 million pounds.
The reluctance by many to be
> involved in Iraq, Afganistan, Bosni - which we sat back and watched thousands be
> killed, all from the comfort of out tvs, hooray for us !
* Are you going to fly out there tomorrow? No? then you lose that argument.
Recent reports found that a
> large numbe of the SA80 rifles used by battleline troops jammed under cold or
> wet or hot conditions. Another report found that tactical radios were faulty
This happens in every army I think you'll find, electronics aren't flawless you know.
, in
> the Balkans many planes could not hit their targets because they lacked the
> Americans advanced systems.
*The ones that hit Red Cross buildings?
We've commited to the eurofighter, possibly the
> worst fighter we could buy.
*But our airforce will hardly use them anyways.
We barely managed the Gulf War, and we lack the will
> to use our military.
*For what, to blow up Ireland?
At least we are, since 9/11, heading back into the world,
> but it took 3000 (roughly) deaths to make that happen.
*We helped the US because THEY asked US.
>We are by far
> more intelligent than them (Oxford
> thrashed Harvard several times in
> 'University Challenge'.
Wow, one quiz and we're that bright *it was over four ? Oly half of all
> pupils go on to any form of further education
*Thats normally unintelligent morons.
and few get into universities such
> as Oxford, Cambridge, Birmingham or Nottingham because of the cost (back to
> social divisions) and inbuilt discrimination.
*My brother got into Cambridge and I don't have a upper class family, living in a 4 bedroom house in Bracknell.
>Bad points about
> the
> US:
>They teach that god made the world in science.
And you
> demonstrate my point about intolerance and religion. Certain states and people
> have that belief by choice, who are you to say they are wrong ?
*No just that there is less proof than the scientific version.
>All the
> nuts are
> american.
Which nuts are they then ?
*The Creationists, the many UFO institutes, the guys that think that people live under the crust
>They can carry
> pretty much any gun around.
They mostly have licenses, the gun culture in the
> UK involves few licensed weapons and little training in the weapons use, because
> the guns are in the criminals hands.
>They have an extremely
> insular
> news network.
You mean like the BBC which seems to have forgotten Afghanistan
> util Americans are killed ? the BBC is the most insular news you will see, CNN
> and Fox, and SKY , give worldwide coverage.
>They reckon they won WWII on
> their own when they came in
> the last year.
Wow, your World War 2 ended
> in 1942........ America entered the war in 1941 after Pearl Harbour. The war
> ended in 1945, thanks to the ALLIES. They also developed the bomb to end the war
> in the Pacific.
>They're mostly obese.
As is the UK population
> now
>They think they invented the english
> language.
We certainly
> didn't. Britain was invaded so many times in our past history that our language
> is not ours truly.
Your arguments are barely backed up, many are factually
> wrong, I'm really convinced..... :P
Inflated
> prices
* Oh no
> we will all starve...
Well duh, not on food, basically its anything thats got VAT added on. Why is it cheaper for me to order DVDs from America, ship them halfway around the world, than it is to just go down the shops ? Same goes for CD albums. Consoles and games work out cheaper abroad as well, well outside Europe anyway. Our petrol costs more, our cars cost more, everything is expensive in Britain.
>Massive social division
>*Where?
Anyone whose doing social policy or a human geography degree, or even A Level knows plenty about this. 1 in 5 uk households live on less than half the national average income, and thats just one fact, we have over 1 million unemployed, thats another.
>Spiralling crime
> rates
>*More people are being caught you mean...
A poor excuse, though it is the typical labour spin doctor approach. In Derby, close to me, violent crime is up 6%, sex Crimes 7.6%, robbery 47.9%, Burglary 2%. this is mirrored in every city and town across the UK. All cities now have regualr armed patrols, nottingham has seen 6 deaths from shooting already this year, in public places, two at a nightclub where a guy just pulled the weapon and shot these two guys.
>A morally bankrupt law
>
> system
*Yet they can carry guns around?
There is less gun crime in the USA because so many carry weapons. In Utah it was awell publicised fact that crime is very low because so many people carry guns.
>Highest rates of underage drinking and
> drug use
*Doesn't mean there's more just a higer percentage...
? Okay....of course it means a higher percentage ! A higher percentage, even with a growing population, is a relative increase.
>Highest rates
> of
> teenage pregnancies
*see above
Yes, see above.
>Hatred of anything remotely different
> to the norm
* Better than spending years writing a book about how elvis killed
> JFK
No its not. We allow racist parties like the BNP to exist, we protest against asylum seekers who need our help, we are very racially intolerant, generally ignoarant of any religion apart from christianity, and write far stupider books that the one you suggest.
>Terrible
> manners
*right...
Damn right, we're easily the most mannerless western society.
>Massive use of swearing in even everyday
> converstations is very
> commonplace
*Running out of ideas?
the fact you dont see tis as a problem proves my point, swearing is crude.
>A government
> that can bearely run the country
* and George is more intelligent is he?!
George at least is taking measures to better his country and is tackling issues like crime and unemployment. Under the late mayor Giuliani in NYC crime was reduced to nearly zero because of zero tolerance policies. What do we have ? Blunkett annoying most of the police force which are undermanned. The health system is in turmoil with understaffing, 1 million waiting to be seen, and a catalogue of avoidable deaths building up.
,
> whse ministers, like
> the one exposed as running that illegal farm by Sky
> news today, are two faced
> and self interested.
* Thats a qualification to
> become one in any country
www.skynews.co.uk. Lord carter, a senior government whip, has been illegally running two pig farms whilst pushing for animal cruelty laws to be toughened, hes profited to the tune of about 1/4 million pounds.
>A trend towards isolationism
>* Again where?
The reluctance by many to be involved in Iraq, Afganistan, Bosni - which we sat back and watched thousands be killed, all from the comfort of out tvs, hooray for us !
>Fine then;
Best
> army in the world (and please don't say the americans have the best because they
> are like our WWI army)
Recent reports found that a large numbe of the SA80 rifles used by battleline troops jammed under cold or wet or hot conditions. Another report found that tactical radios were faulty, in the Balkans many planes could not hit their targets because they lacked the Americans advanced systems. We've commited to the eurofighter, possibly the worst fighter we could buy. We barely managed the Gulf War, and we lack the will to use our military. At least we are, since 9/11, heading back into the world, but it took 3000 (roughly) deaths to make that happen.
>We are by far more intelligent than them (Oxford
> thrashed Harvard several times in 'University Challenge'.
Wow, one quiz and we're that bright ? Oly half of all pupils go on to any form of further education and few get into universities such as Oxford, Cambridge, Birmingham or Nottingham because of the cost (back to social divisions) and inbuilt discrimination.
>Bad points about the
> US:
>They teach that god made the world in science.
And you demonstrate my point about intolerance and religion. Certain states and people have that belief by choice, who are you to say they are wrong ?
>All the nuts are
> american.
Which nuts are they then ?
>They can carry pretty much any gun around.
They mostly have licenses, the gun culture in the UK involves few licensed weapons and little training in the weapons use, because the guns are in the criminals hands.
>They have an extremely
> insular news network.
You mean like the BBC which seems to have forgotten Afghanistan util Americans are killed ? the BBC is the most insular news you will see, CNN and Fox, and SKY , give worldwide coverage.
>They reckon they won WWII on their own when they came in
> the last year.
Wow, your World War 2 ended in 1942........ America entered the war in 1941 after Pearl Harbour. The war ended in 1945, thanks to the ALLIES. They also developed the bomb to end the war in the Pacific.
>They're mostly obese.
As is the UK population now
>They think they invented the english
> language.
We certainly didn't. Britain was invaded so many times in our past history that our language is not ours truly.
Your arguments are barely backed up, many are factually wrong, I'm really convinced..... :P
PLease could you list what we have to be
> pround of ? I really do have difficulty in finding anything;
Inflated
> prices
* Oh no we will all starve...
Massive social division
*Where?
Spiralling crime rates
*More people are being caught you mean...
A morally bankrupt law
> system
*Yet they can carry guns around?
Highest rates of underage drinking and drug use
*Doesn't mean there's more just a higer percentage...
Highest rates of
> teenage pregnancies
*see above
Hatred of anything remotely different to the norm
* Better than spending years writing a book about how elvis killed JFK
Terrible
> manners
*right...
Massive use of swearing in even everyday converstations is very
> commonplace
*Running out of ideas?
A government that can bearely run the country
* and George is more intelligent is he?!
, whse ministers, like
> the one exposed as running that illegal farm by Sky news today, are two faced
> and self interested.
* Thats a qualification to become one in any country
A trend towards isolationism
* Again where?
and so on...... I'd like
> to know some reasons to be proud !
--
Fine then;
Best army in the world (and please don't say the americans have the best because they are like our WWI army)
We are by far more intelligent than them (Oxford thrashed Harvard several times in 'University Challenge'.
We invented all the most popular sports (except for athletics)
We invented the computer and TV
Look how well we are doing for our countries size!!!
Bad points about the US:
They teach that god made the world in science.
All the nuts are american.
They can carry pretty much any gun around.
They have an extremely insular news network.
They reckon they won WWII on their own when they came in the last year.
They're mostly obese.
They think they invented the english language.
TS-Just drink it...
> British people DO have a lot more to be proud of than Americans, but since
> they're taught from an early age that they are the greatest - they believe
> it
PLease could you list what we have to be pround of ? I really do have difficulty in finding anything;
Inflated prices
Massive social division
Spiralling crime rates
A morally bankrupt law system
Highest rates of underage drinking and drug use
Highest rates of teenage pregnancies
Hatred of anything remotely different to the norm
Terrible manners
Massive use of swearing in even everyday converstations is very commonplace
A government that can bearely run the country, whse ministers, like the one exposed as running that illegal farm by Sky news today, are two faced and self interested.
A trend towards isolationism
and so on...... I'd like to know some reasons to be proud !
"because there are so many ethnic minorities in the country now"
Actually ethnic minorities only account for about 4% of our population right now
But they're taking up a huge amount of spaces in prisons and mental institutions (you learn something new every Sociology lesson)
Shaneo in your post you are coming across
> as racist...
I'm not racist, but I do feel that some American's are idiots, as are many British people, yes. I don't think that all American's are, if that is what you're thinking. There are some lovely American people, but many things they do irritate me, as it implies one thing or another, and I dislike that.
I've always said this: why can't we have the same language? Problem solved.
Living by the constitution and all the old things, living in their old past, war hungry and all need to keep a gun incase the Kind of England rides in on his horse.
That is another matter...
Shaneo in your post you are coming across as racist...
They have different words for things so they think they are better just because they say aluminium different or say trunk instead of boot of car.
Their culture, their expression which ends up becoming world wide. About their arrrogance you say... well the politicians are scum, a fair number of the population their are but in this your summing up a country of three time zones with your brief knowledge of the area and a second hand story about a bottle of water.
" Who had the language first? " Shut the hell up... English is the language of the West and your bloody name is in it. People from Europe speak better English than people in the country, we in britain only talk one language, we are arrogant morons.
And may I just say everything you said about America is how many Scottish people feel about England, not me, many other people.
*If I had a choice, where would I have chosen to be born?*
[a] The north of England - like I was,
OR
[b] San Francisco, Las Vegas, California, New York, Arizona, Nebraska, etc, etc.
For me, it's an easy decision..... USA all the way.
>Do we want our country to BECOME America next!? Keep our accent the
> way it is - America's sucks. America's makes them sound slow and retarded, ours
> is short and snappy, making us sound more alert and less-drunk.
Okay;
1) I'd rather be American than European.
2) I can see more to be prooud of in America than in this country.
3) I think we're like the worst developed nation on earth when it comes to alcohol abuse, especially in the young, so its suiting for us to sound drunk.
4) Our accent ? You know how many dialects there is in England ? Which one do you mean..... America's accents all have the same basic "twang" to them, and are way better than some of the slang we have in this country - I find it so annoying when serving people at work who insist on using local slang which is nearly incomprehensible, and sounds retarded !
( Sorry about that but its been a bad day at work today, best example : "Ey ap ma duck, wherza a cat" ? After 5 minutes it turned out she wanted to know where the cadbury's chocolate was...... and after finally finding it ? "Eeh B**ody H*ll yer ick or umat" _ i'll leave that to everyone to make sense of )