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Has anyone else got fed up with seeing the same old broken down guys on WWF shows.
Undertaker is well past his sell by date, he can barely execute a move and has his act reduced to a few punches a kick and a sleepervariation. This guy used to be a legend now he's a joke.
Stonecold was once the man, okay Owne Hart didn't help his career with abadly executed piledriver, but Austins knees have gone and he can not even perform a stunner the way he used to.
The Rock is the Hogan for the 90s an beyond, a three move wonder (kip up, rock bottom and peoples elbow) he makes hogans leg drop look convincing.
Why not put these guiys out to pasture Vince?
Bring Van Dam and co up to the title chase, we all know thye can do it.
No you bring in three ex-legends and automatically put them in the otp slots.
Hall is a shadow of his former self , the years of abuse taking their toal both physically and i am sure mentally.
Hogan looks more in need of a shave and bath than the tramp outside my building, at least give him a shave Vince, then maybe teach him how to do anything except the Legdrop of Doom TM!!
Nash is maybe the better of the three he at least looks in some sort of shape although he is likel y to return to his old WCW non-caring days very soon.
To me the WWF looks like it is going under not making a positive move to finally seperate the company and give the undercarders a chance to get some well earned tv exposure.
Undertaker is well past his sell by date, he can barely execute a move and has his act reduced to a few punches a kick and a sleepervariation. This guy used to be a legend now he's a joke.
Stonecold was once the man, okay Owne Hart didn't help his career with abadly executed piledriver, but Austins knees have gone and he can not even perform a stunner the way he used to.
The Rock is the Hogan for the 90s an beyond, a three move wonder (kip up, rock bottom and peoples elbow) he makes hogans leg drop look convincing.
Why not put these guiys out to pasture Vince?
Bring Van Dam and co up to the title chase, we all know thye can do it.
No you bring in three ex-legends and automatically put them in the otp slots.
Hall is a shadow of his former self , the years of abuse taking their toal both physically and i am sure mentally.
Hogan looks more in need of a shave and bath than the tramp outside my building, at least give him a shave Vince, then maybe teach him how to do anything except the Legdrop of Doom TM!!
Nash is maybe the better of the three he at least looks in some sort of shape although he is likel y to return to his old WCW non-caring days very soon.
To me the WWF looks like it is going under not making a positive move to finally seperate the company and give the undercarders a chance to get some well earned tv exposure.
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No, no, no. It's not Jericho that sucks it's his character, he is being forced to do basically rubbish endings to mathes, he seems to be the guy who takes the moves and not pull out any himself.
You know the regular heel 'Squirms about feeding his ego then runs behind the safety of other people until is cornered and beat up' failing that it's the he wins because he outnumbers you with three other people story.
Oh and yeah Jericho dosn't do the double powerbomb anymore, last time I remember that was about No Way Out 2000. (I think he found it hard to pull off, no? Especially now Y2J fights the bigger heavier guys).
However.
I do think Jericho is boring, I suppose it's not his fault but he just dosn't entertain like he used to (I'm talking really early WWF days here) he only ever used to get popularity of scoring of Stephanie Mcmahon with blantantly rubbish prostitiute jokes.
Jericho has the moves, he just don't use them.
As for the Rock being boring, excuse me you must be joking! Could you entertain like he could? Could you.....no you couldn't. :0) One thing I will admit with the Rock is that he's due a hell turn and the WWF have played with his character going up and down both lanes for a while now. Rock needs to do some 'mean streaks' and be involved in more gimmick matches, they only give him your 'usual' rules WWF match because he can still perform good in one, unlike people like say Undertaker who needs a gimmick match to keep people interested.
Oh and whoever it was who said that the WWF looks like it's going to decline unless something is done, are you mad? You can't honestly believe the WWF will fall that's umm crazy talk my friend. Sure it can loose ratings for a while due to lack of interesting storylines but it won't go down. It's always in the top listings for 'most watched show' or whatever it's called.
While I'm at it what's with this stealing of your opponents finishing move? Now that I don't like.
The nWo is all characterised, so far it's ok, I can't see Hulk doing much in his match against Rock at WM 18 and you'll all say the Rock is rubbish. Why you *shakes fist
Anyway the WWF split will be upon us soon so lots of variation will be in the programmes so all should be good.
:0)
Starlight - Defender of WWF
You know the regular heel 'Squirms about feeding his ego then runs behind the safety of other people until is cornered and beat up' failing that it's the he wins because he outnumbers you with three other people story.
Oh and yeah Jericho dosn't do the double powerbomb anymore, last time I remember that was about No Way Out 2000. (I think he found it hard to pull off, no? Especially now Y2J fights the bigger heavier guys).
However.
I do think Jericho is boring, I suppose it's not his fault but he just dosn't entertain like he used to (I'm talking really early WWF days here) he only ever used to get popularity of scoring of Stephanie Mcmahon with blantantly rubbish prostitiute jokes.
Jericho has the moves, he just don't use them.
As for the Rock being boring, excuse me you must be joking! Could you entertain like he could? Could you.....no you couldn't. :0) One thing I will admit with the Rock is that he's due a hell turn and the WWF have played with his character going up and down both lanes for a while now. Rock needs to do some 'mean streaks' and be involved in more gimmick matches, they only give him your 'usual' rules WWF match because he can still perform good in one, unlike people like say Undertaker who needs a gimmick match to keep people interested.
Oh and whoever it was who said that the WWF looks like it's going to decline unless something is done, are you mad? You can't honestly believe the WWF will fall that's umm crazy talk my friend. Sure it can loose ratings for a while due to lack of interesting storylines but it won't go down. It's always in the top listings for 'most watched show' or whatever it's called.
While I'm at it what's with this stealing of your opponents finishing move? Now that I don't like.
The nWo is all characterised, so far it's ok, I can't see Hulk doing much in his match against Rock at WM 18 and you'll all say the Rock is rubbish. Why you *shakes fist
Anyway the WWF split will be upon us soon so lots of variation will be in the programmes so all should be good.
:0)
Starlight - Defender of WWF
Yeah Jericho rules...fed up with doing intellectual arguments so this will have to do and it seems to be on the same level as 'Jericho sucks cos he cheats' anyway...
Actually AJ, IF YOU HAPPENED TO BE WATCHING RAW LAST WEEK YOU WOULD'VE SEEN JERICHO DO A FLYING ELBOW FROM THE TOP ROPE AND AN ENZIGURI KICK IN HIS MATCH WITH KURT ANGLE!!
So, to put it blatently, you were wrong, Jericho rules and it actually seems by this topic, without Congie's reply, that you and IB are outnumbered.
So no, my a**e.
So, to put it blatently, you were wrong, Jericho rules and it actually seems by this topic, without Congie's reply, that you and IB are outnumbered.
So no, my a**e.
Gah!
All you Jerichoholics!
:D
All you Jerichoholics!
:D
A high move count does not make a good wrestler. Virtually wrestlers could boost their move count by doing simple arm drags, body slams, DDTs (Jericho occaisonally uses a DDT) etc, but they choose not to. A good wrestler is one who can do the moves he does well. Jericho is a great wrestler because he can perform his moves well and adapt to any situation he is in quickly. This makes matches flow and look good. People like the Undertaker and the Big Show move too slowly and you get bored. Brawlers like Austin (when he's not facing Angle) get boring because all they do is punch. Anyone can punch. Not everyone can do a missile dropkick or do a Belly to Belly suplex like the Rock.
My main point is:
Jericho: Brilliant
Rock: OK
Austin: boring most of the time
Undertaker: boring
Big Show: boring
nWo: don't know
My main point is:
Jericho: Brilliant
Rock: OK
Austin: boring most of the time
Undertaker: boring
Big Show: boring
nWo: don't know
Jericho can be good, if WWF package him correctly as a heel, but he is mediocre at best at the moment, and if this trend continues, the WWF is going to get even more dysmal than it is at the moment.
I say put RVD into the world title division! Give him a 7 month title reign - he deserves it, as his 18-odd month title reign in ECW will contribute to.
The WWF stinks at the moment, and I can only see it declining at this stage, unless something drastic is done about it.
I say put RVD into the world title division! Give him a 7 month title reign - he deserves it, as his 18-odd month title reign in ECW will contribute to.
The WWF stinks at the moment, and I can only see it declining at this stage, unless something drastic is done about it.
Jericho wasn't a bad wrestler as a face, I'll admit that.
but as a heel, he is a walking pile of crap!
As for all those moves, he uses about 3 of them, hoestly.
but as a heel, he is a walking pile of crap!
As for all those moves, he uses about 3 of them, hoestly.
Ant wrote:
> AfroJoe wrote:
> Ah, shut up about Chris Jericho!
You're about the only
> person on the Forums
> that actually likes the way he does anything, little
> p***k! (Jericho, that
> is.)
Actually, Cong Man likes him too, and
> considering our opinion is obviously the same as the WWF's then surely we are
> right. He's got so much more variety than Austin or Rock, and you surely can't
> argue that any of his matches against Benoit or his match against Angle on Raw
> looked great.
Anyway, I think if you actually watched a match, you'll find
> that The
> Rock has about 10 moves. Let's count. Rock Bottom, People's
> Elbow, Sharpshooter,
> Spine Buster, Powerslam, Belly to Belly, DDT, and
> possibly a few more, not
> 2.
I've never seen him do a powerslam. Also,
> the Sharpshooter is total crap, especially compared to the inventor's version.
> And 10, oooooohh, wow!!
You haven't seen the Rock use the Powerslam? Do you know what a Powerslam is?
Lets count Jericho's:
Lionsault (fair enough)
Missile dropkick (fair enough)
Breakdown (errr, is that good?)
Walls Of Jericho (when did he last use that?)
Powerbomb (my ass)
overhead suplex (yeah, once every 10 matches he uses that) backdrop suplex (my ass)
flying clothesline (standing and off the top rope), (my ass)
flying elbow (top rope and standing) (my ass)
knife-edge chops (ha ha ha ha ha ha)
bulldog (fair enough)
moonsault (errrrr, nah)
Enziguri kick (when has he used that last?)
and many more (really? name them?)
Oh, they are all great moves, it's a pity he uses about 3 of them. Powerbomb my ass! He used that for about 5 matches when he first came, but then realised he can't really lift anyone to do it.
I agree with IB, Jericho sucks!
> AfroJoe wrote:
> Ah, shut up about Chris Jericho!
You're about the only
> person on the Forums
> that actually likes the way he does anything, little
> p***k! (Jericho, that
> is.)
Actually, Cong Man likes him too, and
> considering our opinion is obviously the same as the WWF's then surely we are
> right. He's got so much more variety than Austin or Rock, and you surely can't
> argue that any of his matches against Benoit or his match against Angle on Raw
> looked great.
Anyway, I think if you actually watched a match, you'll find
> that The
> Rock has about 10 moves. Let's count. Rock Bottom, People's
> Elbow, Sharpshooter,
> Spine Buster, Powerslam, Belly to Belly, DDT, and
> possibly a few more, not
> 2.
I've never seen him do a powerslam. Also,
> the Sharpshooter is total crap, especially compared to the inventor's version.
> And 10, oooooohh, wow!!
You haven't seen the Rock use the Powerslam? Do you know what a Powerslam is?
Lets count Jericho's:
Lionsault (fair enough)
Missile dropkick (fair enough)
Breakdown (errr, is that good?)
Walls Of Jericho (when did he last use that?)
Powerbomb (my ass)
overhead suplex (yeah, once every 10 matches he uses that) backdrop suplex (my ass)
flying clothesline (standing and off the top rope), (my ass)
flying elbow (top rope and standing) (my ass)
knife-edge chops (ha ha ha ha ha ha)
bulldog (fair enough)
moonsault (errrrr, nah)
Enziguri kick (when has he used that last?)
and many more (really? name them?)
Oh, they are all great moves, it's a pity he uses about 3 of them. Powerbomb my ass! He used that for about 5 matches when he first came, but then realised he can't really lift anyone to do it.
I agree with IB, Jericho sucks!
I am getting sick to the teeth of people caning Y2J. It is only since he turned heel and became champ that people have been criticising him. Before when he was a face he had a good rep and was able to put in a good match with anyone.
I would rather see Y2J as champ than Stone Cold or The Rock for the 1,223,896th time.
So there *storms out of forum, slamming door behind him and kicking over the bin*
I would rather see Y2J as champ than Stone Cold or The Rock for the 1,223,896th time.
So there *storms out of forum, slamming door behind him and kicking over the bin*
Angle and Benoit made those matches with Jericho look good.
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