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I got an N64 and I really liked it, I always thought that the Playstation was crap because it had really poor graphics compared to the N64 and it had these really annoying loading times. But now I have seen how the Playstation is still having games developed for it and the N64 is dead, I have seen how bad the N64 really was. Although it had some good games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Zelda, e.t.c... You look at how many games were released that were absolutely crap; South Park, Superman, Carmageddon.
Most of the games were really childish, I can only count 2 games that were 18 and a few other 15. Perfect Dark and Conkers Bad Fur Day were the only games intended for an older audience. A few Turok games were 15 and some other games were. But most of the games were really childish and easy. Mario 64 was mega simple. Zelda, although it has some hard bits, wasn't really as challenging as I thought and my little sister even managed to complete it. Looking at the Gamecube, most of the games that are going to come out are going to be very childish and although they probably will be quite good, I need more harder games.
Also, the Playstation has got a larger market of games because more people own the console, Playstation has been out for over a year now and it has had no competition. The Gamecube or Xbox will never be able to gain back the sales becuase the Playstation 2 will be cheaper and it will have tonnes more games to play.
I was intendingon getting a Gamecube but now I have decided that I will get a PS2 because it will be cheaper, it will have loads more games on it and it won't be as childsh.
I might sound like I hate the Gamecube but I don't, it is going to do well but I just feel that PS2 has got the head start and that the Gamecube is going to be quite childish.
And before any of you decide to do a big fat list of hard games, have a look at the amount of games that were ever realeased (not many compared to the psx) and look at how many childish games there are.
Most of the games were really childish, I can only count 2 games that were 18 and a few other 15. Perfect Dark and Conkers Bad Fur Day were the only games intended for an older audience. A few Turok games were 15 and some other games were. But most of the games were really childish and easy. Mario 64 was mega simple. Zelda, although it has some hard bits, wasn't really as challenging as I thought and my little sister even managed to complete it. Looking at the Gamecube, most of the games that are going to come out are going to be very childish and although they probably will be quite good, I need more harder games.
Also, the Playstation has got a larger market of games because more people own the console, Playstation has been out for over a year now and it has had no competition. The Gamecube or Xbox will never be able to gain back the sales becuase the Playstation 2 will be cheaper and it will have tonnes more games to play.
I was intendingon getting a Gamecube but now I have decided that I will get a PS2 because it will be cheaper, it will have loads more games on it and it won't be as childsh.
I might sound like I hate the Gamecube but I don't, it is going to do well but I just feel that PS2 has got the head start and that the Gamecube is going to be quite childish.
And before any of you decide to do a big fat list of hard games, have a look at the amount of games that were ever realeased (not many compared to the psx) and look at how many childish games there are.
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Ahh, phil, showed up a while ago (i remember putting him into the copularity pontest), and disappeared. I see this, remember the name. Thought i'd have a look.
Argh, my eyes. Fair enough, everyone has their own opinion, but you don't have to talk about it ; D
Just kidding phil, i would write about where and why i disagree, but everyone already has said it all, and i can't really be bothered anyway : )
Argh, my eyes. Fair enough, everyone has their own opinion, but you don't have to talk about it ; D
Just kidding phil, i would write about where and why i disagree, but everyone already has said it all, and i can't really be bothered anyway : )
And I dunno if it is players getting better or games getting easier, but it seems to me that I find it easier to win games. But getting all stars in Mario 64 IS a big challenge, although Zelda OOT was a bit easy, doing all the sub quests is hard (and something I haven't yet acheived) and the same goes for Majoras Mask. And you want a challenge do you? Perfect Dark and Goldeneye should keep you challenged for a good few years! Perfect Dark on GC will be even better, and with the possibility of online gaming can you resist it? And what about Dinosaur Planet? Rare doing a Zelda style game with one of Nintendo's biggest franchises? A recipe for success there, and one that will be an essential purchase, and will surely pose a challenge to ANY gamer. PS2 seems to have few of its 'big name' titles being challenging. MGS2 is apparently good but too short. Red Faction too. I think people have said GTA3 wasn't as challenging as it could have been (and I doubt it was as hard as the original!!!)
I don't think there are that many challenging games about at the moment, but GC looks like it could have some of the best contendors...
I don't think there are that many challenging games about at the moment, but GC looks like it could have some of the best contendors...
Phi11ip wrote:
And i just remembered that the only really
> good developer for the N64 was Rare, with them developing to other consoles, a
> lot of the good games on GC will be on PS2 and Xbox as well.
Yes, well the GC has much more third party support now. SO we will see alot of what comes out on the PS2/X-box and we we always have our own exclusive stuff from Rare and Nintendo themselves.
As That geezer said on the Gamecube Launch webcast thingy, Nintendo aint Marketing the Gamecube towards any age group in general. The Gamecube is for anyone that enjoys games.
And i just remembered that the only really
> good developer for the N64 was Rare, with them developing to other consoles, a
> lot of the good games on GC will be on PS2 and Xbox as well.
Yes, well the GC has much more third party support now. SO we will see alot of what comes out on the PS2/X-box and we we always have our own exclusive stuff from Rare and Nintendo themselves.
As That geezer said on the Gamecube Launch webcast thingy, Nintendo aint Marketing the Gamecube towards any age group in general. The Gamecube is for anyone that enjoys games.
Phi11ip wrote:
> The price of the PS2 will drop when Gamecube comes out like the N64 and
> Dreamcast did when the PS2 came out. Cheaper console means more sales.
And when Nintendo reduce their GC price in around 6-12 months time?
PS2 has dropped in price twice, I can't see it getting much lower now....
> The price of the PS2 will drop when Gamecube comes out like the N64 and
> Dreamcast did when the PS2 came out. Cheaper console means more sales.
And when Nintendo reduce their GC price in around 6-12 months time?
PS2 has dropped in price twice, I can't see it getting much lower now....
Rare developing on other consoles??? No, Rare are a second party (Nintendo own part of Rare) and I doubt they'd be best pleased with Rare running off and doing PS2 or Xbox games... despite that Xmas card it aint gonna happen! Or Rare would be getting no more Donkey Kong franchise! And Rare are not going to do that to their long term buddies Nintendo! Sorry, but it just won't happen.
Phi11ip wrote:
Mario 64 was mega simple. Zelda, although it has some hard
> bits, wasn't really as challenging as I thought and my little sister even
> managed to complete it.
Ironically, most PS2 games (yes, especially those "adult" games) are even easier.
If you want a PS2 instead then fine, but don't let it be because of the dumb old "Nintendo is too kiddie for me" excuse.
Zelda and Mario are more challenging than the likes of Metal Gear Solid and last a lot longer the Resident Evil games.
And don't say that Mario and Zelda are kiddie because of their "unrealistic" graphics because that would be pathetic.
Anyway, there's plenty on the Gamecube horizon like Resident Evil and turok is you're scared of cartoony graphics.
In the mean time, if you want a PS2 then it's because you want MGS2 and GTA3, NOT because you think you're too old for Nintendo. Got it?
Mario 64 was mega simple. Zelda, although it has some hard
> bits, wasn't really as challenging as I thought and my little sister even
> managed to complete it.
Ironically, most PS2 games (yes, especially those "adult" games) are even easier.
If you want a PS2 instead then fine, but don't let it be because of the dumb old "Nintendo is too kiddie for me" excuse.
Zelda and Mario are more challenging than the likes of Metal Gear Solid and last a lot longer the Resident Evil games.
And don't say that Mario and Zelda are kiddie because of their "unrealistic" graphics because that would be pathetic.
Anyway, there's plenty on the Gamecube horizon like Resident Evil and turok is you're scared of cartoony graphics.
In the mean time, if you want a PS2 then it's because you want MGS2 and GTA3, NOT because you think you're too old for Nintendo. Got it?
I'm getting both so doesn't matter to me :-{P (oo a moustache)
Firstly, I said that I still think gamecube will be good but PS2 will come out the best becuase its been out longer, it already has a large market and its got loads of games.
Basically, PS2 will have more games than gamecube because it has been out for longer, meaning that on the release of gamecube, PS2 will have so much more choice to chose from and you will have to wait for the list of gamecube games to get bigger and come close to the list of PS2 games. More people will own PS2 than gamecubes for a long time because it will take time for gamecube sales to get anywhere near the amount of PS2 sales.
SonicRav is the only one who has seen what i said. Nintendo have got the younger gaming audience while Ps2 is aimed at everyone.
And i just remembered that the only really good developer for the N64 was Rare, with them developing to other consoles, a lot of the good games on GC will be on PS2 and Xbox as well.
By the way Gasmask, are you stupid? "The weaker console has to lower its price to compete." Sony had the whole market to itself, it could charge high prices, but now there is another product it can drop prices and become more competitive. It doesnt mean you are weaker, it means that you could charge the price at first because you had the market to yourself but now you need to act competitivly. Didn't the N64 have to lower its prices to keep up with the PSX!?!
But there are still 3 months to go until the release or GC and the PS2 is still selling well with the whole market to itself. I personally can't see the Gamecube catching up in terms of the sales and amounts of games.
Basically, PS2 will have more games than gamecube because it has been out for longer, meaning that on the release of gamecube, PS2 will have so much more choice to chose from and you will have to wait for the list of gamecube games to get bigger and come close to the list of PS2 games. More people will own PS2 than gamecubes for a long time because it will take time for gamecube sales to get anywhere near the amount of PS2 sales.
SonicRav is the only one who has seen what i said. Nintendo have got the younger gaming audience while Ps2 is aimed at everyone.
And i just remembered that the only really good developer for the N64 was Rare, with them developing to other consoles, a lot of the good games on GC will be on PS2 and Xbox as well.
By the way Gasmask, are you stupid? "The weaker console has to lower its price to compete." Sony had the whole market to itself, it could charge high prices, but now there is another product it can drop prices and become more competitive. It doesnt mean you are weaker, it means that you could charge the price at first because you had the market to yourself but now you need to act competitivly. Didn't the N64 have to lower its prices to keep up with the PSX!?!
But there are still 3 months to go until the release or GC and the PS2 is still selling well with the whole market to itself. I personally can't see the Gamecube catching up in terms of the sales and amounts of games.
Currently at £200 for a PS2, retailers make £7 on each one they sell! Sony can't really afford to lower the price too much! Retailers are dredding the fact that they might soon have to!
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Phi11ip wrote:
> The price of the PS2 will drop when Gamecube comes out like the N64 and
> Dreamcast did when the PS2 came out. Cheaper console means more sales.
Yeah, but surley Sony won't drop the PS2 to £150. That just shows that the weaker console has to lower its price to compete.
Buy a GC, now.
> The price of the PS2 will drop when Gamecube comes out like the N64 and
> Dreamcast did when the PS2 came out. Cheaper console means more sales.
Yeah, but surley Sony won't drop the PS2 to £150. That just shows that the weaker console has to lower its price to compete.
Buy a GC, now.
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