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It is a place where Squaresoft moulded their success, built their foundations as it will from Nintendo's architecture of successful systems.
They where great friends within the industry, Nintendo and Squaresoft.
We all know what went wrong in the end.
But the Question still poses: 'Are Square better off with Nintendo?'
Considering the company enjoyed the successful releases of Nine Final Fantasy games with Nintendo, they know each other more than we would think.
In reality those where the days when not only did we see hugely enjoyable Final Fantasy titles on the Super Nes, more so than we have ever saw on Playstation 1&2!, but other true masterpieces of pure genius such as Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger (Which was in high demand on import lists).
Yip, those where the days, which have failed really to emulate the same sort of success on the Sony machines.
It's true!, they might have pulled in a large amount of notes with Sony, but the games are Nintendo fabric and are best suited with the company.
Their reputation with Nintendo's quality is important in the long run.
Square even know that too, they tried their best cuddling up to Nintendo on pure sight and knowledge of what the Gamecube was capable of, they knew it was a system to elevate their success even further and bring them back to the good old days.
But of course, the big Dinosaur stirred.
Nintendo are brutally arrogant, I know that, they have Yamuchi San to thank for that and it is partly this reason if we don't see Square with Nintendo today.
And from the looks of it Square are still trying their luck stating that out of all system's, the Gamecube brings forth ease coupled with brute power. But how do they know about the Gamecube? Do they have Nintendo GC Development tools in-house?
Who knows, but they are hinting continuously of a new liking for Nintendo, 19 % or no 19% Sony stake involved.(Perhaps Nintendo will move in with a bigger stake?)
But ive said my piece, Square are better off with Nintendo, whether you like it or not.
But that's my opinion.
It's time for Nintendo to move on- Bringing Square with them. And then we will see a true beast within gaming, that is so needed.
They where great friends within the industry, Nintendo and Squaresoft.
We all know what went wrong in the end.
But the Question still poses: 'Are Square better off with Nintendo?'
Considering the company enjoyed the successful releases of Nine Final Fantasy games with Nintendo, they know each other more than we would think.
In reality those where the days when not only did we see hugely enjoyable Final Fantasy titles on the Super Nes, more so than we have ever saw on Playstation 1&2!, but other true masterpieces of pure genius such as Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger (Which was in high demand on import lists).
Yip, those where the days, which have failed really to emulate the same sort of success on the Sony machines.
It's true!, they might have pulled in a large amount of notes with Sony, but the games are Nintendo fabric and are best suited with the company.
Their reputation with Nintendo's quality is important in the long run.
Square even know that too, they tried their best cuddling up to Nintendo on pure sight and knowledge of what the Gamecube was capable of, they knew it was a system to elevate their success even further and bring them back to the good old days.
But of course, the big Dinosaur stirred.
Nintendo are brutally arrogant, I know that, they have Yamuchi San to thank for that and it is partly this reason if we don't see Square with Nintendo today.
And from the looks of it Square are still trying their luck stating that out of all system's, the Gamecube brings forth ease coupled with brute power. But how do they know about the Gamecube? Do they have Nintendo GC Development tools in-house?
Who knows, but they are hinting continuously of a new liking for Nintendo, 19 % or no 19% Sony stake involved.(Perhaps Nintendo will move in with a bigger stake?)
But ive said my piece, Square are better off with Nintendo, whether you like it or not.
But that's my opinion.
It's time for Nintendo to move on- Bringing Square with them. And then we will see a true beast within gaming, that is so needed.
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Ah yes the GC harking back to the good old SNES days i love that idea...
GBA is a SNES The GC is half of the GBA in principle so is an advanced SNES, Square might need to return to the good old days, still there fault really.
GBA is a SNES The GC is half of the GBA in principle so is an advanced SNES, Square might need to return to the good old days, still there fault really.
The PS2's difficulties make compression look easy.
The N64 had the worst compression problems.
That Saturn was still less develloper friendly.
Now the PS2 is even worse than the Saturn.
Besides, if they can't fit all of it on ONE disk, why not have two?
The N64 had the worst compression problems.
That Saturn was still less develloper friendly.
Now the PS2 is even worse than the Saturn.
Besides, if they can't fit all of it on ONE disk, why not have two?
@smergal
He said the gamecube is more user friendly than the PS2, well thats a given. Programming for the PS2 is an uphill struggle and other companies such as Capcom have just given up, Resident Evil 4 was attemted on the Playstation 2 but due to programming difficulties was shifted over to the gamecube. Thats not really the issue here but I guess the problem with the gamecube's compression is just as bad as the PS2 complexity so actually that is the issue, d'oh
He said the gamecube is more user friendly than the PS2, well thats a given. Programming for the PS2 is an uphill struggle and other companies such as Capcom have just given up, Resident Evil 4 was attemted on the Playstation 2 but due to programming difficulties was shifted over to the gamecube. Thats not really the issue here but I guess the problem with the gamecube's compression is just as bad as the PS2 complexity so actually that is the issue, d'oh
For Nintendo to be happy now about Square, Strafex, they would need to invest themselves in Square.
I don't think Yamauchi and co would be happy in Sony profiting on games on a Nintendo system.
I don't think Yamauchi and co would be happy in Sony profiting on games on a Nintendo system.
Sonic, I'm presuming that you were replying to Smeagol because it didn't look like you'd read my post! :-D
Either way, the reason Square should ally themselves with Nintendo is the GBA which will make them double the profits they'd make on PS2 sales.
BUT, Nintendo won't let them near the GBA unless Squaresoft support the Gamecube as well as the PS2 which won't be happening as far as Sony is concerned.
And Square can't afford to ditch Sony.
Especially if that means putting all their faith in a company that wants them dead.
Square + Nintendo won't be happening unless either Nintendo or Sony give.
Or if both fall back slightly.
A fair comprimise is that the Gamecube gets the same suuport as the PS2 but only gets the games 6 months after the PS2 debuts.
Sony has to give the exclusivity and Nintendo has to accept that being 6 months behind is they best deal they'll get for the moment.
I doubt either side will agree to that though! :-(
Either way, the reason Square should ally themselves with Nintendo is the GBA which will make them double the profits they'd make on PS2 sales.
BUT, Nintendo won't let them near the GBA unless Squaresoft support the Gamecube as well as the PS2 which won't be happening as far as Sony is concerned.
And Square can't afford to ditch Sony.
Especially if that means putting all their faith in a company that wants them dead.
Square + Nintendo won't be happening unless either Nintendo or Sony give.
Or if both fall back slightly.
A fair comprimise is that the Gamecube gets the same suuport as the PS2 but only gets the games 6 months after the PS2 debuts.
Sony has to give the exclusivity and Nintendo has to accept that being 6 months behind is they best deal they'll get for the moment.
I doubt either side will agree to that though! :-(
http://cube.ign.com/news/40914.html
When your done reading that Ask yourself the question....
How does Yoichi Wada know this??
The guy MUST have Gamecube Dev Kits.
There was a bigger transcript of it on Bloomberg, but i can't find it.
When your done reading that Ask yourself the question....
How does Yoichi Wada know this??
The guy MUST have Gamecube Dev Kits.
There was a bigger transcript of it on Bloomberg, but i can't find it.
Strafex wrote:
Well Nintendo don't like Squaresoft, and they have good
> reason too.
They said the N64 sucked and i'd have to agree but tempting or even pushing other developers away from the system was a BIG boo-boo :-)
oh and Publicly humiliating em too :-P
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Looking at Square's possible options for future games I can't see them being on anything BUT Sony hardware :-)
Well Nintendo don't like Squaresoft, and they have good
> reason too.
They said the N64 sucked and i'd have to agree but tempting or even pushing other developers away from the system was a BIG boo-boo :-)
oh and Publicly humiliating em too :-P
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Looking at Square's possible options for future games I can't see them being on anything BUT Sony hardware :-)
So, you're telling me that a company who have a customer market of 100 million on the PS should switch to the GC which will have a far smaller market.
It's all good and well that Nintendo may be the "natural home" for the company (although I don't agree with that), but why would they want to make less money, and work with what you describe as a hugely arrogant company? After all, they were given the boot from developing on the N64 to make release games.
Now, there is the GBA issue- something Square SHOULD pursue. After all, they've released games on the Wonderswan and they've done well, and a simple port to the GBA will pull off nicely.
One moe thing. Although not strictly in line with this post (which is saying that Square SHOULD go with Ninty, and not that they will), SONY own a huge chunk of Square as of 2 months ago... so don't expect GC games soon!
Sonic
It's all good and well that Nintendo may be the "natural home" for the company (although I don't agree with that), but why would they want to make less money, and work with what you describe as a hugely arrogant company? After all, they were given the boot from developing on the N64 to make release games.
Now, there is the GBA issue- something Square SHOULD pursue. After all, they've released games on the Wonderswan and they've done well, and a simple port to the GBA will pull off nicely.
One moe thing. Although not strictly in line with this post (which is saying that Square SHOULD go with Ninty, and not that they will), SONY own a huge chunk of Square as of 2 months ago... so don't expect GC games soon!
Sonic
Sméagol wrote:
>Titles like the Bouncer? ahem.....
The graphics and FMV in the bouncer were incredible but a martial arts fighting game and Square just didn't mix!!
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>Yes only because the title was the first FF online network
> title. After that however............
>And they said themselves that they favour
> the Gamecube!
Source please, or is it just another one of them *cough* ninty facts that frequently pop up round here :-P
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>The 1.7 GB disc is a lot more than the 700MB Discs that
Square
> had for FF7-9.
Yes and the 650MB CD was more than the Snes Cartridge, Files need more file space with every release, I wouldn't be surprised if Final Fantasy 11/12 is distibuted on dual layer.
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And your speaking nonsense too saying they couldn't handle it,
> why not? Didn't Square split up FF8 and 9 into 4 Discs!!??!
Plus the fact, you
> have to take into consideration the Gamecubes unique compression.
If your spreading games across numerous discs just after launch then later games will be on countless discs interrumpting gameplay and adding cost, Nintendo have helped the problem risen by the N64 but the problem remains, it's just not as bigger issue.
Unique compression or just plain compression quality is usually lost, especially with media which is vital to the final fantasy series.
What better than a proper MPEG2 decoder for those awesome cut scenes?
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Nintendo
> might not have wanted anything to do with Square, but Square 'Publicly' went on
> record saying they would love to develop for the Gamecube and like to patch
> things up with the Big N.
Who wouldn't want more profits??? I'm sure Square would love money rolling in from the Gamecube and GBA but that aint gona happen, at least not in the distant future :-)
>Titles like the Bouncer? ahem.....
The graphics and FMV in the bouncer were incredible but a martial arts fighting game and Square just didn't mix!!
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>Yes only because the title was the first FF online network
> title. After that however............
>And they said themselves that they favour
> the Gamecube!
Source please, or is it just another one of them *cough* ninty facts that frequently pop up round here :-P
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>The 1.7 GB disc is a lot more than the 700MB Discs that
Square
> had for FF7-9.
Yes and the 650MB CD was more than the Snes Cartridge, Files need more file space with every release, I wouldn't be surprised if Final Fantasy 11/12 is distibuted on dual layer.
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And your speaking nonsense too saying they couldn't handle it,
> why not? Didn't Square split up FF8 and 9 into 4 Discs!!??!
Plus the fact, you
> have to take into consideration the Gamecubes unique compression.
If your spreading games across numerous discs just after launch then later games will be on countless discs interrumpting gameplay and adding cost, Nintendo have helped the problem risen by the N64 but the problem remains, it's just not as bigger issue.
Unique compression or just plain compression quality is usually lost, especially with media which is vital to the final fantasy series.
What better than a proper MPEG2 decoder for those awesome cut scenes?
--
Nintendo
> might not have wanted anything to do with Square, but Square 'Publicly' went on
> record saying they would love to develop for the Gamecube and like to patch
> things up with the Big N.
Who wouldn't want more profits??? I'm sure Square would love money rolling in from the Gamecube and GBA but that aint gona happen, at least not in the distant future :-)
Actually Resi, Square are depserate to devellop for the GBA and Nintendo are fine to work with them so long as:
Squaresoft treat the Gamecube as nicely as the PS2.
That means simultaneous releases of Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy games.
Square were happy with that but Sony didn't want to lose a major exclusive and refused Square permission.
You might think, why are Nintendo being so harsh on Square?
Why are they demanding full Gamecube support or nothing at all?
Well Nintendo don't like Squaresoft, and they have good reason too.
It all started when Square argued with Nintendo over who gets what profits from a joint game.
Nintendo had their way leaving a disgruntled Squaresoft.
Square then stoppped develloping Nintendo titles and went to work for Sony instead.
Nintendo were fine with that. They didn't mind and would've been more than happy to welcome Square back had that been just the case.
But no, Square pushed it.
First, they talked other devellopers into ditching Nintendo like Enix. Nintendo were a little ticked off but were willing to let it go, but Square didn't know when to quit.
Square publicly slated Nintendo as much as possible and tried to do everything in their power to get at Nintendo.
This built up great resentment in the likes of Yamauchi.
Wouldn't you feel the same way?
Now Square desperately want to make GBA games.
But why should Nintendo help them?
There is one reason why Nintendo would allow them, that would be in return to support the Gamecube with top games to rival the PS2 and Xbox with.
But Sony won't let that happen.
Perhaps it would do Square better to forget Sony and stay with Nintendo, because they'd make more profits on the GBA than the PS2, and put the Gamecube in as well...
But not in the practical world.
Would you trust your fate in a company who wants to see you dead?
So Square are stuck.
They'll survive on PS2 profits, but after the failure of their movie, PS2 profits won't stop their devellopment from being put back a few years.
Sony won't let them devellop for any format bar the GBA because handhelds don't compete with the PS2.
Nintendo only let Square near the GBA unless they fully support the Gamecube too.
Squaresoft treat the Gamecube as nicely as the PS2.
That means simultaneous releases of Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy games.
Square were happy with that but Sony didn't want to lose a major exclusive and refused Square permission.
You might think, why are Nintendo being so harsh on Square?
Why are they demanding full Gamecube support or nothing at all?
Well Nintendo don't like Squaresoft, and they have good reason too.
It all started when Square argued with Nintendo over who gets what profits from a joint game.
Nintendo had their way leaving a disgruntled Squaresoft.
Square then stoppped develloping Nintendo titles and went to work for Sony instead.
Nintendo were fine with that. They didn't mind and would've been more than happy to welcome Square back had that been just the case.
But no, Square pushed it.
First, they talked other devellopers into ditching Nintendo like Enix. Nintendo were a little ticked off but were willing to let it go, but Square didn't know when to quit.
Square publicly slated Nintendo as much as possible and tried to do everything in their power to get at Nintendo.
This built up great resentment in the likes of Yamauchi.
Wouldn't you feel the same way?
Now Square desperately want to make GBA games.
But why should Nintendo help them?
There is one reason why Nintendo would allow them, that would be in return to support the Gamecube with top games to rival the PS2 and Xbox with.
But Sony won't let that happen.
Perhaps it would do Square better to forget Sony and stay with Nintendo, because they'd make more profits on the GBA than the PS2, and put the Gamecube in as well...
But not in the practical world.
Would you trust your fate in a company who wants to see you dead?
So Square are stuck.
They'll survive on PS2 profits, but after the failure of their movie, PS2 profits won't stop their devellopment from being put back a few years.
Sony won't let them devellop for any format bar the GBA because handhelds don't compete with the PS2.
Nintendo only let Square near the GBA unless they fully support the Gamecube too.
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