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Tyla wrote:
BT are the reason why the UK's
> BB access is so bad, will teaming up with MS improve this... I don't think
> so!
eh?? ... I was meaning that MS already have a deal for mass internet access, and that, just because SEGAs network was expensive, doesnt mean that all console net access has to be... (Although I suppose it could be a way of creating demand, and for BT to get more cash specifically to expand the BB network?)
No.. I was pointing out htat
> the size was a bit small. 8GB these days is small, probably holding at most, a
> cople of games and MP3's, 40GB on the other hand will handle everything you
> throw at it... Read Sony's online proposals and Magigate, all will be revealled.
> As for MS, do they have an online plan?
But SONY want their PS2 to be an extertainment system, whilst MicroSoft have repeatedly stated they want to concentrate on games...
Besides, theres no reason to install the complete game to the HDD... Most PC games tend to keep the movies and audio tracks on the CD/DVD since this tends to minimise installation size, and doesnt affect gameplay at all...
A year tied to a garunteed, supported
> service. This is good I think.
How do you know the support will be good? Maybe they'll charge 60p per minute for customer support, may the sevice will be terrible??? ... Once youve signed up, youve got to take whatever they throw at you...
Currently, yes, but this is due to it selling
> strongly at it's current price for what it is, when sale droop, Sonl will
> probably drop the price bt untill then, why do they need to if the US are still
> happy paying the 299?
I dont understand what you mean? ... Besides, I expect the X-Box will drop in price around Christmas 2002? ... Also it means developers have been able to take avantage of a HDD (and modem?) when developing their titles already... With the PS2 theres going to be a very awkward transfer period, since many people wont be getting HDD will many developers take advantage of it for the PS2? Or maybe SONY will force buyers to by addtion to their machine, which will be a sting for people who bought the console for 299.99?...
Net access, Yes, BB, no, as I said, BB only covers 5% of the UK at
> the moment and the price is hurrendous making is non viable for the average
> Joe.
Yeas... but we have a strong gaming network... (I didnt mention BB?)
This doesn't work.
> Look at the Sega/MS faliure. they have built partnerships in some areas, but
> have missed out completely on the ones that count for online delivery. Lets
> see... DoCoMo, AOL & TimeWarner, Macromedia, Cable and Wirless, Fujitsu,
> Ericsson, all already signed up woth Sony for their delivery of online
> entertainment... As I said before, Sony are in the process of delivering the
> good, but they are not restricting it to themselves, which means shortly XBOX
> and GCN owners in Japan and the US will be using a Sony designed and built
> infraustructure to play their games Online.
SONY arnt in the process of delivering goods... havnt delivereed any goods???
Why will they be using a Sony infrastructure? ... And if Sony arnt relying in themselves, why is it their infrastructure?
Doesnt MS already have 'the Zone'? ... MS are very good at business, this aspect isnt really a big problem for them...
It's wasn't a bias to the PS2, but a statement
> about assuptions made by future XBOX owners that just because it comes with a
> modem there will automatically be easy access online play in the UK.
Which you denyed without any proof... then you shot down the X-Box and claimed that Sony were better at everything :)
As I said,
> what happened to the DC's online system in the UK... Over priced and unstable.
> Sony are waiting too install but BT are holding EVERYONE up, what makes the XBOX
> so different?
But SONY will???
We rank 7th in Europe for our internet penetration (Ireland
> rate higher than us!) Only 3% (that 3% of 154 million users)of Europe have BB
> access compared to 57.3% in the Asia Pacific (57% of 143 million users). BB is
> the future of online gaming, but unfortunately not in the UK, not for a
> while.
But then again... its not really that important? :)
BT are the reason why the UK's
> BB access is so bad, will teaming up with MS improve this... I don't think
> so!
eh?? ... I was meaning that MS already have a deal for mass internet access, and that, just because SEGAs network was expensive, doesnt mean that all console net access has to be... (Although I suppose it could be a way of creating demand, and for BT to get more cash specifically to expand the BB network?)
No.. I was pointing out htat
> the size was a bit small. 8GB these days is small, probably holding at most, a
> cople of games and MP3's, 40GB on the other hand will handle everything you
> throw at it... Read Sony's online proposals and Magigate, all will be revealled.
> As for MS, do they have an online plan?
But SONY want their PS2 to be an extertainment system, whilst MicroSoft have repeatedly stated they want to concentrate on games...
Besides, theres no reason to install the complete game to the HDD... Most PC games tend to keep the movies and audio tracks on the CD/DVD since this tends to minimise installation size, and doesnt affect gameplay at all...
A year tied to a garunteed, supported
> service. This is good I think.
How do you know the support will be good? Maybe they'll charge 60p per minute for customer support, may the sevice will be terrible??? ... Once youve signed up, youve got to take whatever they throw at you...
Currently, yes, but this is due to it selling
> strongly at it's current price for what it is, when sale droop, Sonl will
> probably drop the price bt untill then, why do they need to if the US are still
> happy paying the 299?
I dont understand what you mean? ... Besides, I expect the X-Box will drop in price around Christmas 2002? ... Also it means developers have been able to take avantage of a HDD (and modem?) when developing their titles already... With the PS2 theres going to be a very awkward transfer period, since many people wont be getting HDD will many developers take advantage of it for the PS2? Or maybe SONY will force buyers to by addtion to their machine, which will be a sting for people who bought the console for 299.99?...
Net access, Yes, BB, no, as I said, BB only covers 5% of the UK at
> the moment and the price is hurrendous making is non viable for the average
> Joe.
Yeas... but we have a strong gaming network... (I didnt mention BB?)
This doesn't work.
> Look at the Sega/MS faliure. they have built partnerships in some areas, but
> have missed out completely on the ones that count for online delivery. Lets
> see... DoCoMo, AOL & TimeWarner, Macromedia, Cable and Wirless, Fujitsu,
> Ericsson, all already signed up woth Sony for their delivery of online
> entertainment... As I said before, Sony are in the process of delivering the
> good, but they are not restricting it to themselves, which means shortly XBOX
> and GCN owners in Japan and the US will be using a Sony designed and built
> infraustructure to play their games Online.
SONY arnt in the process of delivering goods... havnt delivereed any goods???
Why will they be using a Sony infrastructure? ... And if Sony arnt relying in themselves, why is it their infrastructure?
Doesnt MS already have 'the Zone'? ... MS are very good at business, this aspect isnt really a big problem for them...
It's wasn't a bias to the PS2, but a statement
> about assuptions made by future XBOX owners that just because it comes with a
> modem there will automatically be easy access online play in the UK.
Which you denyed without any proof... then you shot down the X-Box and claimed that Sony were better at everything :)
As I said,
> what happened to the DC's online system in the UK... Over priced and unstable.
> Sony are waiting too install but BT are holding EVERYONE up, what makes the XBOX
> so different?
But SONY will???
We rank 7th in Europe for our internet penetration (Ireland
> rate higher than us!) Only 3% (that 3% of 154 million users)of Europe have BB
> access compared to 57.3% in the Asia Pacific (57% of 143 million users). BB is
> the future of online gaming, but unfortunately not in the UK, not for a
> while.
But then again... its not really that important? :)
Armatige Shanks wrote:
> At MSN.co.uk, Microsoft seemed to have a deal with BT for MSN internet access... this may extent to consoles, so X-Box owners may be able to pay 14.99 a month for 24hr free internet access, or free evenings and weekends calls, or pay as you play, etc... ???
BT are the reason why the UK's BB access is so bad, will teaming up with MS improve this... I don't think so!
> Hold on... first you complain that the X-Boxs HD is a needless extravagance... then you say that when Sony release their a couple of months after the X-Box release it will be amazing???
No.. I was pointing out htat the size was a bit small. 8GB these days is small, probably holding at most, a cople of games and MP3's, 40GB on the other hand will handle everything you throw at it... Read Sony's online proposals and Magigate, all will be revealled. As for MS, do they have an online plan?
>Not really... In japan, to get it for free your tied up to a years contract (rather like Skys free installation, if you get Sky world for a year deal)
A year tied to a garunteed, supported service. This is good I think.
> And in America your paying the same price for a PS2 as an X-Box???
Currently, yes, but this is due to it selling strongly at it's current price for what it is, when sale droop, Sonl will probably drop the price bt untill then, why do they need to if the US are still happy paying the 299?
> We already have it with PCs, why not consoles?
Net access, Yes, BB, no, as I said, BB only covers 5% of the UK at the moment and the price is hurrendous making is non viable for the average Joe.
>Microsoft have been building business alliencies for the past 25odd years... (And if they cant build them, they buy them :) )
This doesn't work. Look at the Sega/MS faliure. they have built partnerships in some areas, but have missed out completely on the ones that count for online delivery. Lets see... DoCoMo, AOL & TimeWarner, Macromedia, Cable and Wirless, Fujitsu, Ericsson, all already signed up woth Sony for their delivery of online entertainment... As I said before, Sony are in the process of delivering the good, but they are not restricting it to themselves, which means shortly XBOX and GCN owners in Japan and the US will be using a Sony designed and built infraustructure to play their games Online.
Just
> because the XBOX comes with your Modem doesn't
> mean that suddenly in the
> UK there will be the network to play your games on...
> What happened to the
> DC? Sony aren't crap because they haven't done what MS have
> done, nor are
> Nintendo, they have done it for a reason, and if you avoid the
> hype, you'd
> understand.
>I suspect that you PS2 over-bias has somewhat clouded your vision?
It's wasn't a bias to the PS2, but a statement about assuptions made by future XBOX owners that just because it comes with a modem there will automatically be easy access online play in the UK. As I said, what happened to the DC's online system in the UK... Over priced and unstable. Nintendo are not planning on releasing the CG with the modem in the UK nor looking into online gaming yet over here as the infratructure doesn't exist, Sony are waiting too install but BT are holding EVERYONE up, what makes the XBOX so different?
We rank 7th in Europe for our internet penetration (Ireland rate higher than us!) Only 3% (that 3% of 154 million users)of Europe have BB access compared to 57.3% in the Asia Pacific (57% of 143 million users). BB is the future of online gaming, but unfortunately not in the UK, not for a while.
**end rant as losing the subject and will translate into a seperat post**
> At MSN.co.uk, Microsoft seemed to have a deal with BT for MSN internet access... this may extent to consoles, so X-Box owners may be able to pay 14.99 a month for 24hr free internet access, or free evenings and weekends calls, or pay as you play, etc... ???
BT are the reason why the UK's BB access is so bad, will teaming up with MS improve this... I don't think so!
> Hold on... first you complain that the X-Boxs HD is a needless extravagance... then you say that when Sony release their a couple of months after the X-Box release it will be amazing???
No.. I was pointing out htat the size was a bit small. 8GB these days is small, probably holding at most, a cople of games and MP3's, 40GB on the other hand will handle everything you throw at it... Read Sony's online proposals and Magigate, all will be revealled. As for MS, do they have an online plan?
>Not really... In japan, to get it for free your tied up to a years contract (rather like Skys free installation, if you get Sky world for a year deal)
A year tied to a garunteed, supported service. This is good I think.
> And in America your paying the same price for a PS2 as an X-Box???
Currently, yes, but this is due to it selling strongly at it's current price for what it is, when sale droop, Sonl will probably drop the price bt untill then, why do they need to if the US are still happy paying the 299?
> We already have it with PCs, why not consoles?
Net access, Yes, BB, no, as I said, BB only covers 5% of the UK at the moment and the price is hurrendous making is non viable for the average Joe.
>Microsoft have been building business alliencies for the past 25odd years... (And if they cant build them, they buy them :) )
This doesn't work. Look at the Sega/MS faliure. they have built partnerships in some areas, but have missed out completely on the ones that count for online delivery. Lets see... DoCoMo, AOL & TimeWarner, Macromedia, Cable and Wirless, Fujitsu, Ericsson, all already signed up woth Sony for their delivery of online entertainment... As I said before, Sony are in the process of delivering the good, but they are not restricting it to themselves, which means shortly XBOX and GCN owners in Japan and the US will be using a Sony designed and built infraustructure to play their games Online.
Just
> because the XBOX comes with your Modem doesn't
> mean that suddenly in the
> UK there will be the network to play your games on...
> What happened to the
> DC? Sony aren't crap because they haven't done what MS have
> done, nor are
> Nintendo, they have done it for a reason, and if you avoid the
> hype, you'd
> understand.
>I suspect that you PS2 over-bias has somewhat clouded your vision?
It's wasn't a bias to the PS2, but a statement about assuptions made by future XBOX owners that just because it comes with a modem there will automatically be easy access online play in the UK. As I said, what happened to the DC's online system in the UK... Over priced and unstable. Nintendo are not planning on releasing the CG with the modem in the UK nor looking into online gaming yet over here as the infratructure doesn't exist, Sony are waiting too install but BT are holding EVERYONE up, what makes the XBOX so different?
We rank 7th in Europe for our internet penetration (Ireland rate higher than us!) Only 3% (that 3% of 154 million users)of Europe have BB access compared to 57.3% in the Asia Pacific (57% of 143 million users). BB is the future of online gaming, but unfortunately not in the UK, not for a while.
**end rant as losing the subject and will translate into a seperat post**
the Gaxbube, maybe?
Tyla wrote:
Firstly... Why? What need is there for an 8GB HD and a
> Modem in the UK? There is yet to be a solid Online Cosole Gaming Architecture in
> the UK and untill this happens, owners will have to pay through the nose to play
> their games on line, and at 56k?
At MSN.co.uk, Microsoft seemed to have a deal with BT for MSN internet access... this may extent to consoles, so X-Box owners may be able to pay 14.99 a month for 24hr free internet access, or free evenings and weekends calls, or pay as you play, etc... ???
Secondly...As for the HD? Why? Sony's HD will be a HUGE 40GB
> when it arrives over here in the summer.
Hold on... first you complain that the X-Boxs HD is a needless extravagance... then you say that when Sony release their a couple of months after the X-Box release it will be amazing???
> This has been designed for the future
Unless they release the PS3 early?
Maybe this is why MS are relaseing a HD and Modem in box with the X-Box?
> download new games, etc etc
You aid we didnt have a valid network?
Sony have just started to intorduce their Online strategy in the US
> and Japan and have teamed up with AOL, Macromedia ans Fulitsu, something no-one
> else has thought of, and if you haven't been keeping up with developments, this
> online infrastructure will be open source allowing everyone to use it including
> those Sad dissillusioned XBOX owners.
Nice to see your argument is unbiased
In Japan, Sony are offering the HD and
> BB adapter free if you sign up to the service for a year, in the USA, they are
> keeping the console at $299 but including the HD and BB adapter in the box, and
> going on GB vs Price, Sony outdo Microsft considerably, but unlike MS, the
> infrastructure is there, inplace ready for users to enjoy.
Not really... In japan, to get it for free your tied up to a years contract (rather like Skys free installation, if you get Sky world for a year deal)
And in America your paying the same price for a PS2 as an X-Box???
The UK is sometime
> off yet, mainly due to our lack of BB over here (only 5% of the country can get
> regular, reliable and cheap BB access) and until this improves, it will be
> sometime before we see a true gaming network in this country.
We already have it with PCs, why not consoles?
How you came to
> the conclusion that the XBOX has the edge on Sony we will never know, probably
> another victim of media hype who's been spoon fed what to beleive...
uh-huh
By all
> means, if you beleive that 8GB and a cheap 56k modem is the future of online
> gaming, good luck to you, but Sony HAVE THE EDGE, thay have been planning,
> building for the future, building alliances and about to deliver what the world
> has been waiting for.
Microsoft have been building business alliencies for the past 25odd years... (And if they cant build them, they buy them :) )
Just because the XBOX comes with your Modem doesn't
> mean that suddenly in the UK there will be the network to play your games on...
> What happened to the DC? Sony aren't crap because they haven't done what MS have
> done, nor are Nintendo, they have done it for a reason, and if you avoid the
> hype, you'd understand.
I suspect that you PS2 over-bias has somewhat clouded your vision?
Firstly... Why? What need is there for an 8GB HD and a
> Modem in the UK? There is yet to be a solid Online Cosole Gaming Architecture in
> the UK and untill this happens, owners will have to pay through the nose to play
> their games on line, and at 56k?
At MSN.co.uk, Microsoft seemed to have a deal with BT for MSN internet access... this may extent to consoles, so X-Box owners may be able to pay 14.99 a month for 24hr free internet access, or free evenings and weekends calls, or pay as you play, etc... ???
Secondly...As for the HD? Why? Sony's HD will be a HUGE 40GB
> when it arrives over here in the summer.
Hold on... first you complain that the X-Boxs HD is a needless extravagance... then you say that when Sony release their a couple of months after the X-Box release it will be amazing???
> This has been designed for the future
Unless they release the PS3 early?
Maybe this is why MS are relaseing a HD and Modem in box with the X-Box?
> download new games, etc etc
You aid we didnt have a valid network?
Sony have just started to intorduce their Online strategy in the US
> and Japan and have teamed up with AOL, Macromedia ans Fulitsu, something no-one
> else has thought of, and if you haven't been keeping up with developments, this
> online infrastructure will be open source allowing everyone to use it including
> those Sad dissillusioned XBOX owners.
Nice to see your argument is unbiased
In Japan, Sony are offering the HD and
> BB adapter free if you sign up to the service for a year, in the USA, they are
> keeping the console at $299 but including the HD and BB adapter in the box, and
> going on GB vs Price, Sony outdo Microsft considerably, but unlike MS, the
> infrastructure is there, inplace ready for users to enjoy.
Not really... In japan, to get it for free your tied up to a years contract (rather like Skys free installation, if you get Sky world for a year deal)
And in America your paying the same price for a PS2 as an X-Box???
The UK is sometime
> off yet, mainly due to our lack of BB over here (only 5% of the country can get
> regular, reliable and cheap BB access) and until this improves, it will be
> sometime before we see a true gaming network in this country.
We already have it with PCs, why not consoles?
How you came to
> the conclusion that the XBOX has the edge on Sony we will never know, probably
> another victim of media hype who's been spoon fed what to beleive...
uh-huh
By all
> means, if you beleive that 8GB and a cheap 56k modem is the future of online
> gaming, good luck to you, but Sony HAVE THE EDGE, thay have been planning,
> building for the future, building alliances and about to deliver what the world
> has been waiting for.
Microsoft have been building business alliencies for the past 25odd years... (And if they cant build them, they buy them :) )
Just because the XBOX comes with your Modem doesn't
> mean that suddenly in the UK there will be the network to play your games on...
> What happened to the DC? Sony aren't crap because they haven't done what MS have
> done, nor are Nintendo, they have done it for a reason, and if you avoid the
> hype, you'd understand.
I suspect that you PS2 over-bias has somewhat clouded your vision?
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
I don't think so somehow. Parts of games may be
> stored, but as Xbox uses DVD discs like the PS2, once your game collection
> grows, an 8Gb drive will not last you very long if you install games on
> it.
I dunno, I've got an 8Gig HD, and I always have tons of space on it...
Although, I also dont think it will be used to install games... More likley to download extra levels, the larger save games (some PC games sometimes take up a fair few meg of space for each gamesave)... Maybe install the game engine for faster loading... Most HD filler, like FMV and music will runn at a suitable speed from the DVD?
(however, I do suspect that patches for both XoBox and PS2(3?) games will start to appear in the future?)
I don't think so somehow. Parts of games may be
> stored, but as Xbox uses DVD discs like the PS2, once your game collection
> grows, an 8Gb drive will not last you very long if you install games on
> it.
I dunno, I've got an 8Gig HD, and I always have tons of space on it...
Although, I also dont think it will be used to install games... More likley to download extra levels, the larger save games (some PC games sometimes take up a fair few meg of space for each gamesave)... Maybe install the game engine for faster loading... Most HD filler, like FMV and music will runn at a suitable speed from the DVD?
(however, I do suspect that patches for both XoBox and PS2(3?) games will start to appear in the future?)
Authenticity wrote:
> the need for the 8gb hard drive is because you have to install
> games on it.
I don't think so somehow. Parts of games may be stored, but as Xbox uses DVD discs like the PS2, once your game collection grows, an 8Gb drive will not last you very long if you install games on it.
Also, can anyone tell me... is the Xbox HD upgradeable? Presumably, like other consoles, opening the box will invalidate the warranty... so can you easily upgrade it, or are you stuck with 8Gb?
> the need for the 8gb hard drive is because you have to install
> games on it.
I don't think so somehow. Parts of games may be stored, but as Xbox uses DVD discs like the PS2, once your game collection grows, an 8Gb drive will not last you very long if you install games on it.
Also, can anyone tell me... is the Xbox HD upgradeable? Presumably, like other consoles, opening the box will invalidate the warranty... so can you easily upgrade it, or are you stuck with 8Gb?
Nintendo!!!
Gamecube
Tyla wrote:
Firstly... Why? What need is there for an 8GB HD and a
> Modem in the UK? the need for the 8gb hard drive is because you have to install games on it.
Firstly... Why? What need is there for an 8GB HD and a
> Modem in the UK? the need for the 8gb hard drive is because you have to install games on it.
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