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I find it amazing how people will happily take pot shots at the Xbox for crashing once at E3, but rarelt remember the disasters that happened to the PS2... so I dedicate this topic to all such people...
A month before the PS2's launch, Sony held a HUGE gameshow in Tokyo dedicated to the console. PS mags tlked about the show for pages on end, but many of them failed to mention the disasters that occurred...
The mainscreen, big demos crashed repeatedly... to such a point that a large number of them were not shown after the first day... slightly worse that Xbox's one crashed demo at E3...
Add to that the actual playable demos... so many of these pods crashed that Sony not only drilled holes into the consoles' pod cases overnight to allow access to the reset button, but even employed hundreds of lovely looking women to stand by the consoles and hit the reset buttons whenever the consoles crashed!
And then, a few months later, the Xbox is shown off at E3. It has a great show, with one small problem- one of the mainscreen demos crashed once, at the end of a press show. Big deal? Well, if you believe the mags it is- Sony fan boys are still in the Xbox forum talking about this one, small problem.
Now, I wonder... how many fan boys are going to see the title of the topic... skim read it... and then post abuse about the PS2 being great. (Which it certainly is! After all, I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't think so!)
Sonic
A month before the PS2's launch, Sony held a HUGE gameshow in Tokyo dedicated to the console. PS mags tlked about the show for pages on end, but many of them failed to mention the disasters that occurred...
The mainscreen, big demos crashed repeatedly... to such a point that a large number of them were not shown after the first day... slightly worse that Xbox's one crashed demo at E3...
Add to that the actual playable demos... so many of these pods crashed that Sony not only drilled holes into the consoles' pod cases overnight to allow access to the reset button, but even employed hundreds of lovely looking women to stand by the consoles and hit the reset buttons whenever the consoles crashed!
And then, a few months later, the Xbox is shown off at E3. It has a great show, with one small problem- one of the mainscreen demos crashed once, at the end of a press show. Big deal? Well, if you believe the mags it is- Sony fan boys are still in the Xbox forum talking about this one, small problem.
Now, I wonder... how many fan boys are going to see the title of the topic... skim read it... and then post abuse about the PS2 being great. (Which it certainly is! After all, I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't think so!)
Sonic
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ResÆvilfan wrote:
do you know how many attempts it takes to get a NES game up and running? or an old
> SNES/N64 cartridge. My PS1 never crashed or lost a save for that matter, My PS2
> has crashed twice, both on Crazy Taxi but Nintendo are worse ;-)
Old cartriges?
That's something different and yes, they ARE more reliable than CD's.
CD's are fragile and easily scratched making them unusable.
The reason why yours have lasted is either because you're very lucky or you've looked after them well (keeping them in their cases and not dropping them too often).
I bet you've kept most of your cartriges lying around, which is safe because they're unlikely to break, but dust inevitably builds up and the contacts can get clogged.
Even then, a quick blow ends the problem.
If you'd left a CD to collect dust in a simlar way, you'd need to polish it very carefully with a cloth.
Like Wookiee said, Microsoft are so full of themselves and the Xbox (someone listed some of their quotes a while back. Saying you console is the best is one thing, actively insulting the competition is another), that they deserve a big walloping.
Besides, Nintendo have their "kiddies" stereotype (that MS LOVE to use), and Sony are stereotyped for the "sequel station" (I've no doubt MS like to rub that in), so there's no reason why Microsoft can't have a similar pasting with the "bugs and crashes" stereotype.
Besides, it's as true, if not truer, than any of the other stereotypes...
do you know how many attempts it takes to get a NES game up and running? or an old
> SNES/N64 cartridge. My PS1 never crashed or lost a save for that matter, My PS2
> has crashed twice, both on Crazy Taxi but Nintendo are worse ;-)
Old cartriges?
That's something different and yes, they ARE more reliable than CD's.
CD's are fragile and easily scratched making them unusable.
The reason why yours have lasted is either because you're very lucky or you've looked after them well (keeping them in their cases and not dropping them too often).
I bet you've kept most of your cartriges lying around, which is safe because they're unlikely to break, but dust inevitably builds up and the contacts can get clogged.
Even then, a quick blow ends the problem.
If you'd left a CD to collect dust in a simlar way, you'd need to polish it very carefully with a cloth.
Like Wookiee said, Microsoft are so full of themselves and the Xbox (someone listed some of their quotes a while back. Saying you console is the best is one thing, actively insulting the competition is another), that they deserve a big walloping.
Besides, Nintendo have their "kiddies" stereotype (that MS LOVE to use), and Sony are stereotyped for the "sequel station" (I've no doubt MS like to rub that in), so there's no reason why Microsoft can't have a similar pasting with the "bugs and crashes" stereotype.
Besides, it's as true, if not truer, than any of the other stereotypes...
ResÆvilfan wrote:
> slik wrote:
lol thats Sony and
> microsoft for ya and there unreliable
> technically flawed consoles! at least
> nintendo are reliable, and have
> reputable company's to make their consoles for
> them!
slik ~_~
erm, do
> you know how many attempts it takes to get a NES game up and running? or an old
> SNES/N64 cartridge. My PS1 never crashed or lost a save for that matter, My PS2
> has crashed twice, both on Crazy Taxi but Nintendo are worse ;-)
umm actually ive found that all of my old nes/snes and N64 games work fine and I think you'll find that if you can't get them to work then you've probably kept them in bad condition, on the whole cartridges are the most reliable of media and nintendo build the most reliable of consoles, and fine you may not have personally had any problems with your trusty psone but why do i here so many stories of people who bang there fists down on there playstation just because they can't do a bit in a game, i can't quite get my head round how wrecking a console will solve your gaming problems anyway i think oive proved my point in that nintendo have been and are quite reliable at the moment, i hope the gamecube will also be as reliable as it's predecessors but that remains to be seen when GC hits our shores sometime in 2002 untill then roll on the new year!
slik ~_~
> slik wrote:
lol thats Sony and
> microsoft for ya and there unreliable
> technically flawed consoles! at least
> nintendo are reliable, and have
> reputable company's to make their consoles for
> them!
slik ~_~
erm, do
> you know how many attempts it takes to get a NES game up and running? or an old
> SNES/N64 cartridge. My PS1 never crashed or lost a save for that matter, My PS2
> has crashed twice, both on Crazy Taxi but Nintendo are worse ;-)
umm actually ive found that all of my old nes/snes and N64 games work fine and I think you'll find that if you can't get them to work then you've probably kept them in bad condition, on the whole cartridges are the most reliable of media and nintendo build the most reliable of consoles, and fine you may not have personally had any problems with your trusty psone but why do i here so many stories of people who bang there fists down on there playstation just because they can't do a bit in a game, i can't quite get my head round how wrecking a console will solve your gaming problems anyway i think oive proved my point in that nintendo have been and are quite reliable at the moment, i hope the gamecube will also be as reliable as it's predecessors but that remains to be seen when GC hits our shores sometime in 2002 untill then roll on the new year!
slik ~_~
All machines crash, but some points here have been missed and others taken without any context.
Anyone using a machine at a games show will half expect it to crash at some point; they're on all day long, locked in cabinets so that not only can Joe public not get at them, but the heat they generate cannot escape - increasing the chance of failure. It's happened to me many times over the years, even going back to World of Commodore shows where C64s and Amiga's crashed regularly.
A lot of game demos at shows crash simply because they are unfinished code - much like you are warned about the demos on the Official UK PS2 mag.
Game demos crashing are not a major talking point, hence little coverage about PS2's problems at the show. Hardware failure is more of an issue though, so a relatively small 5% failure rate of the hardware at launch was deemed so massive as to be covered on BBC's Watchdog program. So I think claiming that people "failed to mention the disasters that occurred" is nonsense.
But the reason Xbox got bad coverage - at least in two stories I read - was that release machines (i.e. not demo units) were crashing in system menus, not *only* while running software - indicating that the machine's operating system itself *may* be a little suspect.
I think the reason people have been having digs at MS so much is that they are making claims that Xbox is so superior, so much better than everything else, and they've been slapped down almost regularly at key publicity momentse by their own machine failing, showing that it's just as susceptible to failure as anything else.
And of course they are Microsoft - it's everyone's duty to have a pop at them at some point! ;-)
Anyone using a machine at a games show will half expect it to crash at some point; they're on all day long, locked in cabinets so that not only can Joe public not get at them, but the heat they generate cannot escape - increasing the chance of failure. It's happened to me many times over the years, even going back to World of Commodore shows where C64s and Amiga's crashed regularly.
A lot of game demos at shows crash simply because they are unfinished code - much like you are warned about the demos on the Official UK PS2 mag.
Game demos crashing are not a major talking point, hence little coverage about PS2's problems at the show. Hardware failure is more of an issue though, so a relatively small 5% failure rate of the hardware at launch was deemed so massive as to be covered on BBC's Watchdog program. So I think claiming that people "failed to mention the disasters that occurred" is nonsense.
But the reason Xbox got bad coverage - at least in two stories I read - was that release machines (i.e. not demo units) were crashing in system menus, not *only* while running software - indicating that the machine's operating system itself *may* be a little suspect.
I think the reason people have been having digs at MS so much is that they are making claims that Xbox is so superior, so much better than everything else, and they've been slapped down almost regularly at key publicity momentse by their own machine failing, showing that it's just as susceptible to failure as anything else.
And of course they are Microsoft - it's everyone's duty to have a pop at them at some point! ;-)
slik wrote:
lol thats Sony and
> microsoft for ya and there unreliable technically flawed consoles! at least
> nintendo are reliable, and have reputable company's to make their consoles for
> them!
slik ~_~
erm, do you know how many attempts it takes to get a NES game up and running? or an old SNES/N64 cartridge. My PS1 never crashed or lost a save for that matter, My PS2 has crashed twice, both on Crazy Taxi but Nintendo are worse ;-)
lol thats Sony and
> microsoft for ya and there unreliable technically flawed consoles! at least
> nintendo are reliable, and have reputable company's to make their consoles for
> them!
slik ~_~
erm, do you know how many attempts it takes to get a NES game up and running? or an old SNES/N64 cartridge. My PS1 never crashed or lost a save for that matter, My PS2 has crashed twice, both on Crazy Taxi but Nintendo are worse ;-)
YOu are right none of the mags said hardly anything about sony s terrible show. Where as when it is a completly new console coming out with a company new to gaming they cant help themselves in to making it sound as if the console didn't even have a power switch. I myself own a PS2, when i hear all this stuff about the other consoles that is good it intersts me and then you get these people coming along talking about a war, I think that the 3 consoles are great everyone should be excited not shouting there heads off at people who like another console.
===SONICRAV---> wrote:
> I find it amazing how people will happily take pot shots at the Xbox for
> crashing once at E3, but rarelt remember the disasters that happened to the
> PS2... so I dedicate this topic to all such people...
A month before the
> PS2's launch, Sony held a HUGE gameshow in Tokyo dedicated to the console. PS
> mags tlked about the show for pages on end, but many of them failed to mention
> the disasters that occurred...
The mainscreen, big demos crashed
> repeatedly... to such a point that a large number of them were not shown after
> the first day... slightly worse that Xbox's one crashed demo at E3...
lol thats Sony and microsoft for ya and there unreliable technically flawed consoles! at least nintendo are reliable, and have reputable company's to make their consoles for them!
slik ~_~
Add to
> that the actual playable demos... so many of these pods crashed that Sony not
> only drilled holes into the consoles' pod cases overnight to allow access to the
> reset button, but even employed hundreds of lovely looking women to stand by the
> consoles and hit the reset buttons whenever the consoles crashed!
And then, a
> few months later, the Xbox is shown off at E3. It has a great show, with one
> small problem- one of the mainscreen demos crashed once, at the end of a press
> show. Big deal? Well, if you believe the mags it is- Sony fan boys are still in
> the Xbox forum talking about this one, small problem.
Now, I wonder... how
> many fan boys are going to see the title of the topic... skim read it... and
> then post abuse about the PS2 being great. (Which it certainly is! After all, I
> wouldn't have bought one if I didn't think so!)
Sonic
> I find it amazing how people will happily take pot shots at the Xbox for
> crashing once at E3, but rarelt remember the disasters that happened to the
> PS2... so I dedicate this topic to all such people...
A month before the
> PS2's launch, Sony held a HUGE gameshow in Tokyo dedicated to the console. PS
> mags tlked about the show for pages on end, but many of them failed to mention
> the disasters that occurred...
The mainscreen, big demos crashed
> repeatedly... to such a point that a large number of them were not shown after
> the first day... slightly worse that Xbox's one crashed demo at E3...
lol thats Sony and microsoft for ya and there unreliable technically flawed consoles! at least nintendo are reliable, and have reputable company's to make their consoles for them!
slik ~_~
Add to
> that the actual playable demos... so many of these pods crashed that Sony not
> only drilled holes into the consoles' pod cases overnight to allow access to the
> reset button, but even employed hundreds of lovely looking women to stand by the
> consoles and hit the reset buttons whenever the consoles crashed!
And then, a
> few months later, the Xbox is shown off at E3. It has a great show, with one
> small problem- one of the mainscreen demos crashed once, at the end of a press
> show. Big deal? Well, if you believe the mags it is- Sony fan boys are still in
> the Xbox forum talking about this one, small problem.
Now, I wonder... how
> many fan boys are going to see the title of the topic... skim read it... and
> then post abuse about the PS2 being great. (Which it certainly is! After all, I
> wouldn't have bought one if I didn't think so!)
Sonic
Strafex wrote:
> Well the PS2 and Xbox crashed in tech demos (having said that, there have been
> hundreds of reports about in-store Xbox's not working - more faulty than not
> faulty).
Actually, the PS2 had FAR FAR more units not working than people realise, and the Xbox has far far less unit failing than is reported...
In fact, they're probably both in the same proportion as each other... like the gameshow crashes, far more is hyped up about MS's consoles not working.
Sonic
> Well the PS2 and Xbox crashed in tech demos (having said that, there have been
> hundreds of reports about in-store Xbox's not working - more faulty than not
> faulty).
Actually, the PS2 had FAR FAR more units not working than people realise, and the Xbox has far far less unit failing than is reported...
In fact, they're probably both in the same proportion as each other... like the gameshow crashes, far more is hyped up about MS's consoles not working.
Sonic
Well the PS2 and Xbox crashed in tech demos (having said that, there have been hundreds of reports about in-store Xbox's not working - more faulty than not faulty).
But the Gamecube waited until the actual games...
Rogue leader, level 3. I'm sure you've all heard the story.
Fixed before the UK release? It had better be!!
But the Gamecube waited until the actual games...
Rogue leader, level 3. I'm sure you've all heard the story.
Fixed before the UK release? It had better be!!
Joe Dark wrote:
> I never knew that. So if the PS2 did all this, then that means that the GameCube
> will do ace.....or maybee not. I hope it does anyway.
hmmmm... well, depends on what you mean by "does ace"... if you mean it has great games, then of course it will! If you mean that it sells better than the PS2, then no, it won't.
Sonic
> I never knew that. So if the PS2 did all this, then that means that the GameCube
> will do ace.....or maybee not. I hope it does anyway.
hmmmm... well, depends on what you mean by "does ace"... if you mean it has great games, then of course it will! If you mean that it sells better than the PS2, then no, it won't.
Sonic
I never knew that. So if the PS2 did all this, then that means that the GameCube will do ace.....or maybee not. I hope it does anyway.
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