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Wed 12/12/01 at 17:54
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If a tree falls, does it make a noise if no one is there to hear it?


I expect you've heard it before, but I spent most of my German lesson thinking over this. :D
Wed 12/12/01 at 18:36
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Heard of Shrodinger's cat??? This is a PhD level quantum physics thing... but put simply:

Imaging you have a cat, and you put the cat in a box with some poison. Close the box.

Now, either one of 2 things happen by Quantum uncertainty principal:

1) The world spilts into 2 dimensions, one where the cat is alive and one where it is dead. U only know which one you are in when you open the box.

2) The cat is both dead and alive... it's in flux until you open the box, and FORCE it to be either.

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Wed 12/12/01 at 18:33
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OK. A noise to us is a sound wave of the correct frequency so that it can be interpreted by our ears and brains. Sound waves exist of lower frequencies that we can't 'hear'. Dogs and cats can hear them whistles that we can't. Everything has the potential to make a sound wave, it just depends on the frequency. A tree falling would definitely be loud enough to make a sound wave of a frequeny that we could detect. BUT. If we weren't in the region before the sound wave disipates, then we won't hear it. So No, a tree doesn't make an AUDIBLE sound if no-ones there, but it makes sound waves.
Wed 12/12/01 at 18:28
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Ok here's one!

If a man if hundred's of miles away from the nearest woman is he still wrong?
Wed 12/12/01 at 18:27
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Ant wrote:
> If a tree falls, does it make a noise if no one is there to hear it?

Technically. Yes. It should make a noise. But. If nobody heard it then nobody knows do they?

Bit like the sun. It is supposedly ment to make a noise. But nobody has ever got close enough to hear it.
Wed 12/12/01 at 18:26
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Tree fellers make trees fall!
Wed 12/12/01 at 18:26
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This real question should be, when a tree falls in the forest, where's the sodding American that chopped it down?
Wed 12/12/01 at 18:25
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There might have been a tree feller or a woodcutter.
Wed 12/12/01 at 18:24
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Yeah but if I walk into the woods and see a tree lying on the ground, I'll say to myself 'that tree must have fallen, I wonder if anyone was here to hear it?'.
Wed 12/12/01 at 18:22
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Grandprix wrote:
> Sound can't exist without someone to hear it. Simple.

Yes it can... the sound waves are still present...

(although to be fair... the question was originally posed as an example, and not intended to be considered to any depth)
Wed 12/12/01 at 18:22
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Ant wrote:
If a tree falls, does it make a noise if no one is there to hear it?


I expect you've heard it before, but I spent most of my German lesson thinking over this. :D

No. And, according to the scrodinger theory, here is a little questionfor you.
If you Go out of your house, and you have a cat in the house, how do you know your cat hasn't just died and, when you come back, magically come back to life?

To most questions like this, the answer is simple, uncertainty. You see, if nobody hears it, then nobody knows that it happend therefore nobody can say, "A tree fell" And therefore it has no meaning. Its all about you not knowing.

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