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Let's all agree that we know for a fact that the devil exists and we're all frightened of him.
My question is:
What could possibly oppose God's will?
My question is:
What could possibly oppose God's will?
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Heres a question ant, a very old one.
If god is omnipotent, can he make a rock he cannot lift?
If he can then he CAN'T lift something
and if he CAN'T he cant create everything.
Just to whet your crusadder apetite. Lol.
The bible is however, a loada crock. god may be there but the book is silly. It says whoever changes the word of this book shall be cursed, yet the book has been translated thousands of times.
And god made us live short lives, and made us all speak different laguages. But he loves us doesnt he? Why be so mean?
PS most people think the devil is gods evil equal, the yang to his yin. But he was only an angel, so he cant have too much power. People misinterpret SO much..........
If god is omnipotent, can he make a rock he cannot lift?
If he can then he CAN'T lift something
and if he CAN'T he cant create everything.
Just to whet your crusadder apetite. Lol.
The bible is however, a loada crock. god may be there but the book is silly. It says whoever changes the word of this book shall be cursed, yet the book has been translated thousands of times.
And god made us live short lives, and made us all speak different laguages. But he loves us doesnt he? Why be so mean?
PS most people think the devil is gods evil equal, the yang to his yin. But he was only an angel, so he cant have too much power. People misinterpret SO much..........
I apoligize for offending you Ant... I quite like to say I'm open-minded person. My family from generations are very religious, but my parents did something I will heavily respect them for... they went against the tradition and didn't make me go to church as youngster or a cathlic school... they deceided when I become old enough to make my own mind up (now) thats when I deceide... I deceided religions not my cup of tea and I have my reasons but in saying that I respect your choice and you have your reasons...
When I said I wanted to read the Bible, influenced by Goatboy it was merely as interest as it is the oldest and populary book ever... so why not read it then critise it... who knows maybe I'll turn all religious after a read, I VERY much doubt it, I was just saying I can then justify my reasons about the bible after reading it.
Its just when you said, I can't remember exactly, just the classing people as if everyone was religious it set me off even though I probably got wrong end of stick.
Another factor that angers me about religion is it is something everyone should share in come (who is religous) so they might be bit different, they should respect other people's like their own.
Like Cathlics and Prodesents (sp) in my area, makes me sick... or "Holy Wars", which I'm sure most people condone but I can't stop thinking its religions fault... look at us, good net mates having a petty tiff over religion, still we'll settle it and that'll be that... don't need to beat each other up, wipe races from planet or have wars...
Anyway staryed from subject.
:-)
When I said I wanted to read the Bible, influenced by Goatboy it was merely as interest as it is the oldest and populary book ever... so why not read it then critise it... who knows maybe I'll turn all religious after a read, I VERY much doubt it, I was just saying I can then justify my reasons about the bible after reading it.
Its just when you said, I can't remember exactly, just the classing people as if everyone was religious it set me off even though I probably got wrong end of stick.
Another factor that angers me about religion is it is something everyone should share in come (who is religous) so they might be bit different, they should respect other people's like their own.
Like Cathlics and Prodesents (sp) in my area, makes me sick... or "Holy Wars", which I'm sure most people condone but I can't stop thinking its religions fault... look at us, good net mates having a petty tiff over religion, still we'll settle it and that'll be that... don't need to beat each other up, wipe races from planet or have wars...
Anyway staryed from subject.
:-)
Nomad_Soul wrote:
> If "almighty" God exists, then because He is omnipotent, He must
> "allow" the Devil to exist - thus: God is (for all intents and
> purposes) responsible for all the evil in the world.
So the question is: WHO
> IS THE REAL DEVIL?
*SIGH* The Devil was at first an Angel! God let him exist because he was an angel, a very powerful one at that. The Devil rebelled, and God sent him away. I'm not sure what happens then, either The Devil created his own little place, hell, or God actually sent him there, and then sent all the sinners down to him.
The Devil is the real devil. The Devil promotes everything bad. God promotes that you do good. Why else would he send sinners to hell?
We are responsible for all evil in the world. He gave us free will to believe in him or not, but he who does not believe in him will probably be punished. I'm not too sure though, I mean, people like Goatboy are good people Grix, Sheepy, lots of people I know are good people but aren't Christians. I guess we'll have to wait to we find out.
> If "almighty" God exists, then because He is omnipotent, He must
> "allow" the Devil to exist - thus: God is (for all intents and
> purposes) responsible for all the evil in the world.
So the question is: WHO
> IS THE REAL DEVIL?
*SIGH* The Devil was at first an Angel! God let him exist because he was an angel, a very powerful one at that. The Devil rebelled, and God sent him away. I'm not sure what happens then, either The Devil created his own little place, hell, or God actually sent him there, and then sent all the sinners down to him.
The Devil is the real devil. The Devil promotes everything bad. God promotes that you do good. Why else would he send sinners to hell?
We are responsible for all evil in the world. He gave us free will to believe in him or not, but he who does not believe in him will probably be punished. I'm not too sure though, I mean, people like Goatboy are good people Grix, Sheepy, lots of people I know are good people but aren't Christians. I guess we'll have to wait to we find out.
Bonus wrote:
> Ant wrote:
Why not just leave it? If you don't believe in it, just ignore
>
> it.
That is a very bad idea. Anyone who has a niggling curiosity to seek
> religious enlightenment, or to try to find out what different actually believed
> in should be encouraged to research these topics and decide for themselves what
> they believe. If he reads the bible and only finds contradictions, he has
> missed the point of the bible, but it has to be said that the bible does make
> many contradictions.
I don't mind Sheepy reading the bible, not at all. I wish that more people on here could become Christians, and reading the Bible is certainly a way. But I get the feeling that people are JUST going to point out the contradictions. It seems to me as thought that's all their looking for.
> Ant wrote:
Why not just leave it? If you don't believe in it, just ignore
>
> it.
That is a very bad idea. Anyone who has a niggling curiosity to seek
> religious enlightenment, or to try to find out what different actually believed
> in should be encouraged to research these topics and decide for themselves what
> they believe. If he reads the bible and only finds contradictions, he has
> missed the point of the bible, but it has to be said that the bible does make
> many contradictions.
I don't mind Sheepy reading the bible, not at all. I wish that more people on here could become Christians, and reading the Bible is certainly a way. But I get the feeling that people are JUST going to point out the contradictions. It seems to me as thought that's all their looking for.
Man is responsible for all the evil in the world, for he has free will. The Devil can tempt, and God can warn against, but the buck stands with us, apparently.
If "almighty" God exists, then because He is omnipotent, He must "allow" the Devil to exist - thus: God is (for all intents and purposes) responsible for all the evil in the world.
So the question is: WHO IS THE REAL DEVIL?
So the question is: WHO IS THE REAL DEVIL?
Ant wrote:
Why not just leave it? If you don't believe in it, just ignore
> it.
That is a very bad idea. Anyone who has a niggling curiosity to seek religious enlightenment, or to try to find out what different actually believed in should be encouraged to research these topics and decide for themselves what they believe. If he reads the bible and only finds contradictions, he has missed the point of the bible, but it has to be said that the bible does make many contradictions.
Why not just leave it? If you don't believe in it, just ignore
> it.
That is a very bad idea. Anyone who has a niggling curiosity to seek religious enlightenment, or to try to find out what different actually believed in should be encouraged to research these topics and decide for themselves what they believe. If he reads the bible and only finds contradictions, he has missed the point of the bible, but it has to be said that the bible does make many contradictions.
SHEEPY wrote:
I do plan on reading the Bible like boyo
> Goatboy... then I can pick specific examples and back-up my points of
> challenging it.
Look Sheepy, is there really any point? Hey, you don't believe in Christianity, that's fine by me. I respect your views, and I'm not going to try and force you to change them. It just seems to me that people who read the Bible just to find bad things and contradictions, are just trying to prove that they are 'right.'
Why not just leave it? If you don't believe in it, just ignore it.
I do plan on reading the Bible like boyo
> Goatboy... then I can pick specific examples and back-up my points of
> challenging it.
Look Sheepy, is there really any point? Hey, you don't believe in Christianity, that's fine by me. I respect your views, and I'm not going to try and force you to change them. It just seems to me that people who read the Bible just to find bad things and contradictions, are just trying to prove that they are 'right.'
Why not just leave it? If you don't believe in it, just ignore it.
Your Honour wrote:
> Ant wrote:
So really, Devil did sort of challenge
> God, and God came out
> on top. The Devil is very powerful, nearly as powerful as
> God. I have felt
> him trying to stop me becoming a Christian, but God's power was
> bigger,
> and I am still a Christian.
No, the devil challenged Jesus in those
> examples, not God.
Also, if Jesus had those powers and didn't use them, then
> he didn't deserve them!
What's the point in having something if you're not
> going to use it?
He did use it though, just read about all the miracles he did in the Bible. But, he didn't use them then, as they would've been for himself.
And when the Devil challenged Jesus, he did sort of challenge God, as Jesus was the Son Of God, who basically is the human form of God.
> Ant wrote:
So really, Devil did sort of challenge
> God, and God came out
> on top. The Devil is very powerful, nearly as powerful as
> God. I have felt
> him trying to stop me becoming a Christian, but God's power was
> bigger,
> and I am still a Christian.
No, the devil challenged Jesus in those
> examples, not God.
Also, if Jesus had those powers and didn't use them, then
> he didn't deserve them!
What's the point in having something if you're not
> going to use it?
He did use it though, just read about all the miracles he did in the Bible. But, he didn't use them then, as they would've been for himself.
And when the Devil challenged Jesus, he did sort of challenge God, as Jesus was the Son Of God, who basically is the human form of God.
Supossedly, man has been granted free will by this omnipotent thingy, so in our free will, the Devil can get back at God by leading his creations away, just think of it as playing Age of Empires 2, where enemy monks can convert you little beings to the dark side of the force.......
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