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Let's all agree that we know for a fact that the devil exists and we're all frightened of him.
My question is:
What could possibly oppose God's will?
My question is:
What could possibly oppose God's will?
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It's like that old question "If an unstoppable cannonball hit an unbreakable wall, what would happen?"
Nothing, because only one could possibly exist. If there is a unstoppable ball, then there cannot be anything that can stop it. Therefore, if the rock cannot be lifted, then God cannot lift it, which makes it impossible to create.
It's like God claiming he's made an indestructable pen, and then breaking it in front of our eyes.
Nothing, because only one could possibly exist. If there is a unstoppable ball, then there cannot be anything that can stop it. Therefore, if the rock cannot be lifted, then God cannot lift it, which makes it impossible to create.
It's like God claiming he's made an indestructable pen, and then breaking it in front of our eyes.
Bollards, you cannot make a physical object defy the laws of physics. An infinately large rock cannot be made, by anyone or anything, because space and time would restrict its size.
Bollards. Being omnipotent means precisely that you ARE exempt from the laws of the universe.
Edwin27 wrote:
> >What Bonus said. {:)
Ok, but remember god is supposedly able to do
> anything. He cant do both of the rock things - in HIS universe. hence my
> point.
Rubbish mate, omnipotent or not, you cannot be exempt from the laws of physics. Which, if you remember correctly, must have been made by God too..........
> >What Bonus said. {:)
Ok, but remember god is supposedly able to do
> anything. He cant do both of the rock things - in HIS universe. hence my
> point.
Rubbish mate, omnipotent or not, you cannot be exempt from the laws of physics. Which, if you remember correctly, must have been made by God too..........
>What Bonus said. {:)
Ok, but remember god is supposedly able to do anything. He cant do both of the rock things - in HIS universe. hence my point.
The
> bible is
> however, a loada crock.
And how much of it have you read?? And don't
> lie.
Quite alot of the old testament, a bit of the new testament. Heard the new testament mostly at school as a kid.
Cmon, god may/may not exist but the bible is just silly. It says you can have jewish slaves! (the romans obviously put that one in)
god may be there but the book is silly. It says
> whoever changes
> the word of this book shall be cursed, yet the book has been
> translated
> thousands of times.
It's been translated into different languages, so that
> people in other countries can experience it. And if you mean the different
> versions, then the words in it may've been changed around, but they still mean
> the same thing.
Any translator comes across words that have no equal in another language, so he has to bridge the gap, changing the word of the bible. I have studied french (c at gcse) and am doing a course in latin, so i know that this is true.
And god made us live short lives, and made us
> all speak
> different laguages. But he loves us doesnt he? Why be so mean?
What's mean??
> A lot of people say that when they're near death, into their eighties or
> nineties that they're bored with life. What's wrong with us all speaking
> different languages? Perhaps there was only one language at first, and then we
> 'created' them. Who knows?
My point was that god didnt make us speak diff. launguages, but the bible said he did. hence why the bible is a loada crock......
PS
> most people think the devil is gods evil
> equal, the yang to his yin. But he was
> only an angel, so he cant have too
> much power. People misinterpret SO
> much..........
If you had read the
> Bible, you would know that Satan was a very high up Angel. You could say he was
> one of God's 'right-hand men.' But he became obsessed with power, and rebelled.
> He challenges us all everyday, while your conscience, God, tells you not to do
> it.
Yes but he is lower down than god, by quite alot. God created him, so his power should be far less than god's. My point was that is people actually read the bible, rather than taking all those already known christian 'facts' they would realise the bible is silly, and belief in god should be up to you - not a silly old book.
You know those cartoons where an angel sits on one shoulder, and a devil
> on the other? And they argue about what the person should do? Well, that's sort
> of true.
Yeah but god could just zap satan with the lightning bolt he always has on TV. Hey didnt ZEUS have one of those things....i should get me one! :-)
Ok, but remember god is supposedly able to do anything. He cant do both of the rock things - in HIS universe. hence my point.
The
> bible is
> however, a loada crock.
And how much of it have you read?? And don't
> lie.
Quite alot of the old testament, a bit of the new testament. Heard the new testament mostly at school as a kid.
Cmon, god may/may not exist but the bible is just silly. It says you can have jewish slaves! (the romans obviously put that one in)
god may be there but the book is silly. It says
> whoever changes
> the word of this book shall be cursed, yet the book has been
> translated
> thousands of times.
It's been translated into different languages, so that
> people in other countries can experience it. And if you mean the different
> versions, then the words in it may've been changed around, but they still mean
> the same thing.
Any translator comes across words that have no equal in another language, so he has to bridge the gap, changing the word of the bible. I have studied french (c at gcse) and am doing a course in latin, so i know that this is true.
And god made us live short lives, and made us
> all speak
> different laguages. But he loves us doesnt he? Why be so mean?
What's mean??
> A lot of people say that when they're near death, into their eighties or
> nineties that they're bored with life. What's wrong with us all speaking
> different languages? Perhaps there was only one language at first, and then we
> 'created' them. Who knows?
My point was that god didnt make us speak diff. launguages, but the bible said he did. hence why the bible is a loada crock......
PS
> most people think the devil is gods evil
> equal, the yang to his yin. But he was
> only an angel, so he cant have too
> much power. People misinterpret SO
> much..........
If you had read the
> Bible, you would know that Satan was a very high up Angel. You could say he was
> one of God's 'right-hand men.' But he became obsessed with power, and rebelled.
> He challenges us all everyday, while your conscience, God, tells you not to do
> it.
Yes but he is lower down than god, by quite alot. God created him, so his power should be far less than god's. My point was that is people actually read the bible, rather than taking all those already known christian 'facts' they would realise the bible is silly, and belief in god should be up to you - not a silly old book.
You know those cartoons where an angel sits on one shoulder, and a devil
> on the other? And they argue about what the person should do? Well, that's sort
> of true.
Yeah but god could just zap satan with the lightning bolt he always has on TV. Hey didnt ZEUS have one of those things....i should get me one! :-)
Edwin27 wrote:
> Heres a question ant, a very old one.
If god is omnipotent, can he make a
> rock he cannot lift?
If he can then he CAN'T lift something
and if he CAN'T he
> cant create everything.
>Just to whet your crusadder apetite. Lol.
What Bonus said. {:)
The
> bible is however, a loada crock.
And how much of it have you read?? And don't lie.
god may be there but the book is silly. It says
> whoever changes the word of this book shall be cursed, yet the book has been
> translated thousands of times.
It's been translated into different languages, so that people in other countries can experience it. And if you mean the different versions, then the words in it may've been changed around, but they still mean the same thing.
And god made us live short lives, and made us
> all speak different laguages. But he loves us doesnt he? Why be so mean?
What's mean?? A lot of people say that when they're near death, into their eighties or nineties that they're bored with life. What's wrong with us all speaking different languages? Perhaps there was only one language at first, and then we 'created' them. Who knows?
PS
> most people think the devil is gods evil equal, the yang to his yin. But he was
> only an angel, so he cant have too much power. People misinterpret SO
> much..........
If you had read the Bible, you would know that Satan was a very high up Angel. You could say he was one of God's 'right-hand men.' But he became obsessed with power, and rebelled. He challenges us all everyday, while your conscience, God, tells you not to do it.
You know those cartoons where an angel sits on one shoulder, and a devil on the other? And they argue about what the person should do? Well, that's sort of true.
> Heres a question ant, a very old one.
If god is omnipotent, can he make a
> rock he cannot lift?
If he can then he CAN'T lift something
and if he CAN'T he
> cant create everything.
>Just to whet your crusadder apetite. Lol.
What Bonus said. {:)
The
> bible is however, a loada crock.
And how much of it have you read?? And don't lie.
god may be there but the book is silly. It says
> whoever changes the word of this book shall be cursed, yet the book has been
> translated thousands of times.
It's been translated into different languages, so that people in other countries can experience it. And if you mean the different versions, then the words in it may've been changed around, but they still mean the same thing.
And god made us live short lives, and made us
> all speak different laguages. But he loves us doesnt he? Why be so mean?
What's mean?? A lot of people say that when they're near death, into their eighties or nineties that they're bored with life. What's wrong with us all speaking different languages? Perhaps there was only one language at first, and then we 'created' them. Who knows?
PS
> most people think the devil is gods evil equal, the yang to his yin. But he was
> only an angel, so he cant have too much power. People misinterpret SO
> much..........
If you had read the Bible, you would know that Satan was a very high up Angel. You could say he was one of God's 'right-hand men.' But he became obsessed with power, and rebelled. He challenges us all everyday, while your conscience, God, tells you not to do it.
You know those cartoons where an angel sits on one shoulder, and a devil on the other? And they argue about what the person should do? Well, that's sort of true.
Edwin27 wrote:
Alright push a rock in space then. Smart bottom.
Again, it's limited by physical parameters......
Alright push a rock in space then. Smart bottom.
Again, it's limited by physical parameters......
Bonus wrote:
> Edwin27 wrote:
If god is omnipotent, can he make a
> rock he cannot
> lift?
If he can then he CAN'T lift something
and if he CAN'T he
> cant
> create everything.
Being omnipotent doesn't necasserily mean that you have
> infinate ability. Who is to say that God could lift anything?? Who is to say
> God is confined by physical presence?? No one knows, so that point is
> invalid......
Omipotence MEANS being able to to anything. Thats a dictionary definition.
Hence impotence meaning being able to do nothing....
lol.
Even if God was, the physical size of a rock has a limit. A
> rock on earth would weigh a certain amount due to the gravity on earth, in space
> it would weigh nothing. These are physical parameters which we can understand
> and cohere too. God's strength and ability knows no bounds, but the physical
> size and weight of a rock does........
Alright push a rock in space then. Smart bottom.
> Edwin27 wrote:
If god is omnipotent, can he make a
> rock he cannot
> lift?
If he can then he CAN'T lift something
and if he CAN'T he
> cant
> create everything.
Being omnipotent doesn't necasserily mean that you have
> infinate ability. Who is to say that God could lift anything?? Who is to say
> God is confined by physical presence?? No one knows, so that point is
> invalid......
Omipotence MEANS being able to to anything. Thats a dictionary definition.
Hence impotence meaning being able to do nothing....
lol.
Even if God was, the physical size of a rock has a limit. A
> rock on earth would weigh a certain amount due to the gravity on earth, in space
> it would weigh nothing. These are physical parameters which we can understand
> and cohere too. God's strength and ability knows no bounds, but the physical
> size and weight of a rock does........
Alright push a rock in space then. Smart bottom.
Edwin27 wrote:
If god is omnipotent, can he make a
> rock he cannot lift?
If he can then he CAN'T lift something
and if he CAN'T he
> cant create everything.
Being omnipotent doesn't necasserily mean that you have infinate ability. Who is to say that God could lift anything?? Who is to say God is confined by physical presence?? No one knows, so that point is invalid......
Even if God was, the physical size of a rock has a limit. A rock on earth would weigh a certain amount due to the gravity on earth, in space it would weigh nothing. These are physical parameters which we can understand and cohere too. God's strength and ability knows no bounds, but the physical size and weight of a rock does........
So the answer would be, God cannot create a rock which he couldn't lift, but he could create the universe and all the physical parameters which define what we class as weight........
Confused now?? Well, thats what you get for asking smart-ass questions :D
If god is omnipotent, can he make a
> rock he cannot lift?
If he can then he CAN'T lift something
and if he CAN'T he
> cant create everything.
Being omnipotent doesn't necasserily mean that you have infinate ability. Who is to say that God could lift anything?? Who is to say God is confined by physical presence?? No one knows, so that point is invalid......
Even if God was, the physical size of a rock has a limit. A rock on earth would weigh a certain amount due to the gravity on earth, in space it would weigh nothing. These are physical parameters which we can understand and cohere too. God's strength and ability knows no bounds, but the physical size and weight of a rock does........
So the answer would be, God cannot create a rock which he couldn't lift, but he could create the universe and all the physical parameters which define what we class as weight........
Confused now?? Well, thats what you get for asking smart-ass questions :D
Thanks for answering Ant, it was your opinion I was looking for, as a practicising Christian.
I'm just trying to explain to myself why God is almighty and the ultimate prescence, yet people fear the Devil's work, simply because of my original point:
What can possibly oppose god's will?
And I keep coming up with...well nothing can, for the simple fact he/she/it is god - you don't get any bigger or better, he's The Daddy and nothing can take him on or oppose him.
So that kind of makes the devil redundant?
I'm just trying to explain to myself why God is almighty and the ultimate prescence, yet people fear the Devil's work, simply because of my original point:
What can possibly oppose god's will?
And I keep coming up with...well nothing can, for the simple fact he/she/it is god - you don't get any bigger or better, he's The Daddy and nothing can take him on or oppose him.
So that kind of makes the devil redundant?
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