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The N64 had problems yes it was a good system with stunning titles from Nintendo and it's 2nd party developers particularly RARE so with this awesome strength the console why did it cower in the shadow of the Playstation? Simple the Playstation appealed to 3rd party developers they are people who develop for all systems and the N64 wasn't just hard to work on but also expensive (due to cartridges). Now though times have changed, Nintendo have finally upgraded to disc format it is sad to say goodbye to the versatile cartridges but this new Disc format is very similar to Carts. For starters due to the size of the disc not only is it hard to pirate but it also has amazingly short loading times, unnoticeable in some cases (the discs look pretty nifty as well).
So the new disc format is very clever and now 3rd party developers that were attracted to Sony's shiny discs are now attracted to Nintendo as well. Nintendo have also made the Gamecube very very very easy to work on compared to the PS2, which has been described as a pig to programme. So ok how does the effect us? Well it means 3rd parties, which made Sony so popular, are flocking to the Gamecube. Namco makers of classic titles such as Tekken, Soul Calibur and Ridge Racer is bringing no less than 6 Gamecube titles ALREADY a company that took 4 years to commit to the N64 has committed to the Gamecube before it's release with titles including Soul Calibur, Ridge Racer and it is heavily rumored that a Tekken game is in the pipeline.
It isn't just Namco, Capcom famous for MegaMan, Street Fighter and Resident Evil is committing themselves to the Gamecube with tones of titles including Mickey Mouse and 6!!! Resident Evil games a remade and gorgeous Resident Evil and ports of Resident Evil 2/3 and Code Veronica as well as Resident Evil 0 and 4 all EXCLUSIVE to Gamecube which means that no more Resident Evil games are coming out on Playstation 2 or X-box.
Nintendo have also given the Gamecube a low price tag after throwing away the ability to play DVD's and CD's (although a special Panasonic is being released in Japan that allows this). Some of you may see this as a downside to the Gamecube, I don't. If you want a DVD player then get a DVD player if you want a Games Console then get a Games Console these new Multi-Media systems such as the X-box and PS2 have substandard versions of both games console and DVD player. The Gamecube’s Controller is new and comfortable the X-box is huge, ugly and difficult to negotiate the PS2's is nice but it feels the same as the last one (it has more pressure points I know) and therefore makes the PS2 feel like the same old PS1 it just doesn’t make the console feel Next generation.
Nintendo have also signed new second party developers on bored including Silicon Knights, Retro Studios, Left Field and Camelot (as well as RARE and HAL of course). These developers are stunning and with the increase of 3rd party support the Gamecube is a must buy. Nintendo are not childish either Mario and Pokemon are not childish get rid of Pokèmon’s cute graphics and you have animals stabbing, burning, shooting, cutting, hitting, kicking and blowing up each other that’s barley legal and with games such as Conker (that rude gory platformer), Perfect Dark, Metroid, Too Human, Eternal Darkness, 6 Resident Evil titles, Agent Under fire, Turok etc... etc... how can you call them childish?
The console has been described as a childs play toy but stack 10 CD cases up and you'll realize how small and compact the console is.
These are few of the best future Gamecube releases:
Mario Sunshine, Perfect Dark 0, Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Zelda GC, Resident Evil, Mickey Mouse, Super Smash Brothers: Melee, Pokemon Game, Resident Evil 2, Starfox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet, Kameo: elements of power, Donkey Kong Racing, James Bond: Agent Under Fire, Turok Evolution, Too Human, Luigi's Mansion, Resident Evil 3, Metroid, Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure 2, Kirby Tilt and Tumble, Mario Kart GC, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Super Monkey Ball, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Star Wars rogue leader, Resident Evil 0, Soul Calibur 2, Simpson's Road Rage, 1080 Snowboarding 2, Conker's Other Bad Day (not yet official), Resident Evil 4, Animal Forest, Virtual Striker, Phantasy Star Online V2, Skies of Arcadia, Marionette, FIFA, ISS, Castlevania, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Extreme G3, 100 Mario's and so many many many more...
Along with all of them (only 6 or 7 of which appear on the Playstation 2) Nintendo's super hand held the Gameboy Advance links up with the Gamecube more than ever in games such as Kirby Tilt and Tumble, Animal Forest and Sonic Adventure 2 (it can be used as an alternative controller) and with Sega's Sonic Team offering full support (they make Sonic, NiGHTS and Phantasy Star online) The Gamecube is one of the worlds most essential consoles.
Here's to the future
Dringo
Ok it is 'only' a 6 game exclusive, but that is two new games to make, one to totally revamp, and three to port (but with slightly better graphics, and probably some GC only features). But how do you know RESI EVIL will be out on PS2 or Xbox? By the time all these titles are out the PS2 may be outdated. Think about it, the PSX had three (That's right isn't it?) RE games and Capcom have to make two for GC and port 3 and 're-create' one, so by then this generation of consoles may be reaching the end of their lif cycle. It is looking WAY ahead, but it is something to think about.
Dringo wrote:
> When it comes to the future of gaming I expertise especially when it involves
> Nintendo. Sadly offering you a balanced opinion and offering you both sides of
> the argument is both something I can't do and boring so here I will write why it
> should be Nintendo whom should triumph above the rest.
The N64 had problems
> yes it was a good system with stunning titles from Nintendo and it's 2nd party
> developers particularly RARE so with this awesome strength the console why did
> it cower in the shadow of the Playstation? Simple the Playstation appealed to
> 3rd party developers they are people who develop for all systems and the N64
> wasn't just hard to work on but also expensive (due to cartridges).
You seem to have "forgotten" that Nintendo was charging royalties on these cartridges.
> Now though
> times have changed, Nintendo have finally upgraded to disc format it is sad to
> say goodbye to the versatile cartridges
VERSATILE!!! *snigger*
> but this new Disc format is very similar
> to Carts.
Erm, if you say so...
For starters due to the size of the disc not only is it hard to pirate
> but it also has amazingly short loading times, unnoticeable in some cases (the
> discs look pretty nifty as well).
FFS, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE BLOODY DISCS! WHY CAN'T YOU SEEM TO GET THIS INTO YOUR THICK SKULL???
> So the new disc format is very clever and
> now 3rd party developers that were attracted to Sony's shiny discs are now
> attracted to Nintendo as well. Nintendo have also made the Gamecube very very
> very easy to work on compared to the PS2, which has been described as a pig to
> programme. So ok how does the effect us? Well it means 3rd parties, which made
> Sony so popular, are flocking to the Gamecube.
Well, I wouldn't say "flocking".
> Namco makers of classic titles
> such as Tekken, Soul Calibur and Ridge Racer is bringing no less than 6 Gamecube
> titles ALREADY a company that took 4 years to commit to the N64 has committed to
> the Gamecube before it's release with titles including Soul Calibur, Ridge Racer
> and it is heavily rumored that a Tekken game is in the pipeline.
It isn't
> just Namco, Capcom famous for MegaMan, Street Fighter and Resident Evil is
> committing themselves to the Gamecube with tones of titles including Mickey
> Mouse and 6!!! Resident Evil games a remade and gorgeous Resident Evil and ports
> of Resident Evil 2/3 and Code Veronica as well as Resident Evil 0 and 4 all
> EXCLUSIVE to Gamecube which means that no more Resident Evil games are coming
> out on Playstation 2 or X-box.
You idiot. It's a 6-game exclusive only, 4 of which are ports. After that they will come back.
Nintendo have also given the Gamecube a low
> price tag after throwing away the ability to play DVD's and CD's (although a
> special Panasonic is being released in Japan that allows this). Some of you may
> see this as a downside to the Gamecube, I don't. If you want a DVD player then
> get a DVD player
...which would cost £200 for a PS2 quality...
if you want a Games Console then get a Games Console these new
> Multi-Media systems such as the X-box and PS2 have substandard versions of both
> games console and DVD player.
Er, yeah... a £200 is sub-standard. According to What Hi-Fi and What DVD, the PS2 is equal to a good £200 DVD player.
The Gamecube’s Controller is new and comfortable
> the X-box is huge, ugly and difficult to negotiate the PS2's is nice but it
> feels the same as the last one (it has more pressure points I know) and
> therefore makes the PS2 feel like the same old PS1 it just doesn’t make the
> console feel Next generation.
Dringo, have you ever actually played on some proper PS2 titles? I'd say GTA3, Airblade and in fact ALL my PS2 games feel next-gen.
Nintendo have also signed new second party
> developers on bored including Silicon Knights, Retro Studios, Left Field and
> Camelot (as well as RARE and HAL of course). These developers are stunning and
> with the increase of 3rd party support the Gamecube is a must buy. Nintendo are
> not childish either Mario and Pokemon are not childish get rid of
> Pokèmon’s cute graphics and you have animals stabbing, burning, shooting,
> cutting, hitting, kicking and blowing up each other that’s barley legal and with
> games such as Conker (that rude gory platformer), Perfect Dark, Metroid, Too
> Human, Eternal Darkness, 6 Resident Evil titles, Agent Under fire, Turok etc...
> etc... how can you call them childish?
The console has been described as a
> childs play toy but stack 10 CD cases up and you'll realize how small and
> compact the console is.
Yes.. but it DOES look like a child's play toy.
> These are few of the best future Gamecube releases:
>
Mario Sunshine, Perfect Dark 0, Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Zelda GC,
> Resident Evil, Mickey Mouse, Super Smash Brothers: Melee, Pokemon Game, Resident
> Evil 2, Starfox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet, Kameo: elements of power, Donkey
> Kong Racing, James Bond: Agent Under Fire, Turok Evolution, Too Human, Luigi's
> Mansion, Resident Evil 3, Metroid, Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure 2, Kirby Tilt and
> Tumble, Mario Kart GC, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Super Monkey Ball, Pikmin, Eternal
> Darkness, Star Wars rogue leader, Resident Evil 0, Soul Calibur 2, Simpson's
> Road Rage, 1080 Snowboarding 2, Conker's Other Bad Day (not yet official),
> Resident Evil 4, Animal Forest, Virtual Striker, Phantasy Star Online V2, Skies
> of Arcadia, Marionette, FIFA, ISS, Castlevania, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the
> Dragon, Extreme G3, 100 Mario's and so many many many more...
Along with all
> of them (only 6 or 7 of which appear on the Playstation 2) Nintendo's super hand
> held the Gameboy Advance links up with the Gamecube more than ever in games such
> as Kirby Tilt and Tumble, Animal Forest and Sonic Adventure 2 (it can be used as
> an alternative controller) and with Sega's Sonic Team offering full support
> (they make Sonic, NiGHTS and Phantasy Star online) The Gamecube is one of the
> worlds most essential consoles.
Here's to the future
Turbonutter
> Sibs wrote:
And saying Conkers
> BFD is for kids is like saying South Park
> was designed for kids.
Just because south park is classed as
> "mature" doesn't mean it's for 18+, I think You'll find that young
> teens are it's main audience and the same goes for CBFD.
Yep. But that's not a bad thing.
It was a good challenging game (while it lasted) so I didn't care about the theme, which was great because it's unique.
And saying Conkers
> BFD is for kids is like saying South Park was designed for kids.
Just because south park is classed as "mature" doesn't mean it's for 18+, I think You'll find that young teens are it's main audience and the same goes for CBFD.
Thanks a lot!
:-D
In my opinion it's very immature to say a game is mature because it is violent or has 'realistic' looks. A game is not for kids because it looks cartoony, Nintendo just want all audiences to be able to play it. But Mario 64, seriously, could any old 'kiddie' complete that game? no, it'd take a kid who had quite a bit of gaming experience and skill to win it.
And saying Conkers BFD is for kids is like saying South Park was designed for kids.
Nintendo games are like the Simpsons cartoon series. Anyone can enjoy them, but older or more experienced people will get their full meaning, and understand all of it. (some of the Simpsons episodes actually make some pretty good points about modern life)