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Right. There has been a fair amount of nastiness on this forum and it ends here.
When I started here this place was pretty much dead, with people coming here more to get a bit of help rather than chat. I have seen (and hopefully helped) the web forum develop into a small community.
We have realised that many of us have a lot in common, and between us we have a wide range of skills that has got to a point where SR are sponsoring us to set up a website offering help.
Though we are all varied in our backgrounds and we all have different ways of assessing and dealing with issues, we must work as a team now more than ever instead of being at eachothers throats about minor issues. We all have specialist skills that will make this site a success and rather than argue on who does something better, learn from the other person and develop your skills accordingly.
As I see it, for this site of ours to be a true success, we must forget about minor issues, personal grudges, "mine's better than yours", "my dads harder than yours" and so on. Out of all the forums on this site this is the one that for me feels like it has the tightest group, and I feel like a member rather than a user. I'd like to see it kept that way.
Can't we all just get along? :)
Slave.
When I started here this place was pretty much dead, with people coming here more to get a bit of help rather than chat. I have seen (and hopefully helped) the web forum develop into a small community.
We have realised that many of us have a lot in common, and between us we have a wide range of skills that has got to a point where SR are sponsoring us to set up a website offering help.
Though we are all varied in our backgrounds and we all have different ways of assessing and dealing with issues, we must work as a team now more than ever instead of being at eachothers throats about minor issues. We all have specialist skills that will make this site a success and rather than argue on who does something better, learn from the other person and develop your skills accordingly.
As I see it, for this site of ours to be a true success, we must forget about minor issues, personal grudges, "mine's better than yours", "my dads harder than yours" and so on. Out of all the forums on this site this is the one that for me feels like it has the tightest group, and I feel like a member rather than a user. I'd like to see it kept that way.
Can't we all just get along? :)
Slave.
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You really *really* should invest the time (not money!) into learning and using PHP. I know an ASP->PHP converter you could use.
Bob wrote:
> Small businesses!!! Our whole site is based on PHP and were not exactly small.
> Add to that the fact that a lot of real big boys are now using it. The thing is
> it is faster, more stable, less buggy and free. For an ASP server you need a
> win2k licence an IIS licence an ASP licence and on and on. Where as with PHP you
> can use apache FREE and php FREE and mysql FREE.
We use ASP because we have the licences, why change?... and have done for sometime. I don't make the decisions here on what we should use on the back end, I just keep getting told that "we can't change" (*typical developer response here at BP*) they are finally changing thoer ways as we are adopting JSP,Pearl, UNIX and LINUX one by one, but no one has yet proven to us how PHP would make such a difference tot he way we do things especially as it would probably involve us having to redev 1000+ sites!!
I personally would ike to know more about PHP and it's benefits as it's a process I havent had much exposure too, but whilst we stay priliminary Microsoft based in all out servers and apps, we will live with the wonders of ASP for now!!... *ASPNet should arrive soon making life a bit more fun anyway!*
> Small businesses!!! Our whole site is based on PHP and were not exactly small.
> Add to that the fact that a lot of real big boys are now using it. The thing is
> it is faster, more stable, less buggy and free. For an ASP server you need a
> win2k licence an IIS licence an ASP licence and on and on. Where as with PHP you
> can use apache FREE and php FREE and mysql FREE.
We use ASP because we have the licences, why change?... and have done for sometime. I don't make the decisions here on what we should use on the back end, I just keep getting told that "we can't change" (*typical developer response here at BP*) they are finally changing thoer ways as we are adopting JSP,Pearl, UNIX and LINUX one by one, but no one has yet proven to us how PHP would make such a difference tot he way we do things especially as it would probably involve us having to redev 1000+ sites!!
I personally would ike to know more about PHP and it's benefits as it's a process I havent had much exposure too, but whilst we stay priliminary Microsoft based in all out servers and apps, we will live with the wonders of ASP for now!!... *ASPNet should arrive soon making life a bit more fun anyway!*
Urgh... Do you realise you haven't given a single good reason why you use ASP over PHP?
Oh, and Bob, you missed out the horrific security implications :-D
Oh, and Bob, you missed out the horrific security implications :-D
Small businesses!!! Our whole site is based on PHP and were not exactly small. Add to that the fact that a lot of real big boys are now using it. The thing is it is faster, more stable, less buggy and free. For an ASP server you need a win2k licence an IIS licence an ASP licence and on and on. Where as with PHP you can use apache FREE and php FREE and mysql FREE.
TrevUK wrote:
> >I personally use ASP, XML and Javascript, don't really need much
> else!!
Surely that's why PHP is so good? It can be used to generate XML and
> JavaScript. And I could argue that ASP is slow. But I won't.
Depend on your business model... Here we use (unfortunately) nothing but Microsoft so ASP fits into our business model better. We use a dialogue server that uses ASP and XML to generate content on the fly... PHP is good for "home boys" and small business, but our enitre data structure has been modelled around MS and ASP and XML and the powers that be say that's the way we are staying!! (though for my new baby, they've gone all JSP on me!!)
ASP is slow, and buggy, and buggered up too easily by others, but were happy with it here!! (Especially as "they" pay for all of the hardware now!!)
> >I personally use ASP, XML and Javascript, don't really need much
> else!!
Surely that's why PHP is so good? It can be used to generate XML and
> JavaScript. And I could argue that ASP is slow. But I won't.
Depend on your business model... Here we use (unfortunately) nothing but Microsoft so ASP fits into our business model better. We use a dialogue server that uses ASP and XML to generate content on the fly... PHP is good for "home boys" and small business, but our enitre data structure has been modelled around MS and ASP and XML and the powers that be say that's the way we are staying!! (though for my new baby, they've gone all JSP on me!!)
ASP is slow, and buggy, and buggered up too easily by others, but were happy with it here!! (Especially as "they" pay for all of the hardware now!!)
PHP* is every bit as powerful as ASP
Guh, coffee...
Guh, coffee...
Turbonutter wrote:
ASP is every bit as powerful as ASP
I'm assuming you ment:
PHP is every bit as powerful as ASP
ASP is every bit as powerful as ASP
I'm assuming you ment:
PHP is every bit as powerful as ASP
ASP is every bit as powerful as ASP (and then some) and twice as fast. Also, you can run it at home without expensive and insecure Windows servers
Sure, some sites can be run effectively without coding but it all depends, and the majority can't.
Sure, some sites can be run effectively without coding but it all depends, and the majority can't.
Turbonutter wrote:
> I've never had a single piece of design "training"
> other than what I learn in Graphics Products at school.
It shows... oddly enough, neither have I, I studied Fine Art and Graphic design at college, but that was still in the days before computers!!
> Tyla, you can't run a decent site without some form of coding behind it. Well, you can but it would be *very* complicated. What's wrong with PHP?
I could argue that if I wanted to as I have many examples of this. But I won't!! I personally use ASP, XML and Javascript, don't really need much else!!
> I've never had a single piece of design "training"
> other than what I learn in Graphics Products at school.
It shows... oddly enough, neither have I, I studied Fine Art and Graphic design at college, but that was still in the days before computers!!
> Tyla, you can't run a decent site without some form of coding behind it. Well, you can but it would be *very* complicated. What's wrong with PHP?
I could argue that if I wanted to as I have many examples of this. But I won't!! I personally use ASP, XML and Javascript, don't really need much else!!
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