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Right. There has been a fair amount of nastiness on this forum and it ends here.
When I started here this place was pretty much dead, with people coming here more to get a bit of help rather than chat. I have seen (and hopefully helped) the web forum develop into a small community.
We have realised that many of us have a lot in common, and between us we have a wide range of skills that has got to a point where SR are sponsoring us to set up a website offering help.
Though we are all varied in our backgrounds and we all have different ways of assessing and dealing with issues, we must work as a team now more than ever instead of being at eachothers throats about minor issues. We all have specialist skills that will make this site a success and rather than argue on who does something better, learn from the other person and develop your skills accordingly.
As I see it, for this site of ours to be a true success, we must forget about minor issues, personal grudges, "mine's better than yours", "my dads harder than yours" and so on. Out of all the forums on this site this is the one that for me feels like it has the tightest group, and I feel like a member rather than a user. I'd like to see it kept that way.
Can't we all just get along? :)
Slave.
When I started here this place was pretty much dead, with people coming here more to get a bit of help rather than chat. I have seen (and hopefully helped) the web forum develop into a small community.
We have realised that many of us have a lot in common, and between us we have a wide range of skills that has got to a point where SR are sponsoring us to set up a website offering help.
Though we are all varied in our backgrounds and we all have different ways of assessing and dealing with issues, we must work as a team now more than ever instead of being at eachothers throats about minor issues. We all have specialist skills that will make this site a success and rather than argue on who does something better, learn from the other person and develop your skills accordingly.
As I see it, for this site of ours to be a true success, we must forget about minor issues, personal grudges, "mine's better than yours", "my dads harder than yours" and so on. Out of all the forums on this site this is the one that for me feels like it has the tightest group, and I feel like a member rather than a user. I'd like to see it kept that way.
Can't we all just get along? :)
Slave.
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Guh> How the hell did that end up there? Sorry, that should have been in the web design thread.
Take a look at http://www.f2ssdt.f2s.com/ , http://luke.ac6.org/webtech/ and http://www.gamespot.com/ . All those have or used to have backgrounds that worked really well with the site. If you want an idea what NOT to do, get off to http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ . I bet at least 70% of the sites there have bad backgrounds, it's the most common mistake. Webpages can look extremely nice with just a plain backgrounds. As Lawrence says, everyone hates textures.
Sure, there are downsides. For ones, the error messages are often less than helpful (apart from for parse errors), especially with MySQL. Often with the MySQL you have to actually realise it's a mistake that's making it fail, and then specifically call for an error message.
Also, the function structures are not really consistent. Some have long names with no spaces (htmlspecialchars()), and some have short names with underlines (var_dump()). I suppose this is just the "open source" effect but when you can't remember it gets really annoying.
One last thing is a bit petty really. My favourite Win HTML editor (First Page 2000) really doesn't like PHP code and messes up syntax highlighting sometimes. It's quite annoying. However, now I have my Linux box online I can ue Quanta which is much more PHP friendly (in that it actually understands it). It also tells you if your function is unrecognised, which is helpful.
Also, the function structures are not really consistent. Some have long names with no spaces (htmlspecialchars()), and some have short names with underlines (var_dump()). I suppose this is just the "open source" effect but when you can't remember it gets really annoying.
One last thing is a bit petty really. My favourite Win HTML editor (First Page 2000) really doesn't like PHP code and messes up syntax highlighting sometimes. It's quite annoying. However, now I have my Linux box online I can ue Quanta which is much more PHP friendly (in that it actually understands it). It also tells you if your function is unrecognised, which is helpful.
Ok, TN. Tell me about the *downside* of using PHP. Where are the limitations, in what circumstances should I decide to use other language? You've rammed the benefits down our necks, but nothings perfect...
Of course, give me something else to discuss and I'll discuss it with you, just not in this thread.
Turbonutter wrote:
> What, someone who knows that Unix is faster, securer and much more reliable?
Your not the only person in the world who knows this, oddly enough, we have for sometime, but we CHOOSE not to use it because from a BUSINESS point of veiw and the COST of implemntation to REPLACE our EXISTING architecture, we do not see the JUSTIFICATION. If a client request so WE WILL adopt UNIX and PHP for that clientm, other wise, THERE IS NO POINT IN CHANGING OUR ARCHITECTURE EVEN THOUGH WE ALREADY NOW THE ADVANTAGES!!
Go bore the pants of someone else who's interested...
Get off your high horse and come up with something a bit more interesting and intelligent to discuss...
> What, someone who knows that Unix is faster, securer and much more reliable?
Your not the only person in the world who knows this, oddly enough, we have for sometime, but we CHOOSE not to use it because from a BUSINESS point of veiw and the COST of implemntation to REPLACE our EXISTING architecture, we do not see the JUSTIFICATION. If a client request so WE WILL adopt UNIX and PHP for that clientm, other wise, THERE IS NO POINT IN CHANGING OUR ARCHITECTURE EVEN THOUGH WE ALREADY NOW THE ADVANTAGES!!
Go bore the pants of someone else who's interested...
Get off your high horse and come up with something a bit more interesting and intelligent to discuss...
My mistake. Some people just have too few brain cells to understand.
Tyla, do you want to shoot the kid down in flames, or shall I? :)
TN, listen, I have a plan. You keep to what you know - PHP, dot-to-dot's and lego. And we'll stop giving you abuse. I'm all for sharing ideas, but someone like you needs to understand that there is more to life than PHP and UNIX. Yes, they have their benefits, but just because thats all you know, doesn't mean they don't have their downsides too.
Like I said, I'm more than happy to discuss this off-line somehere, and hopefully you will get some benefit from hearing some constructive critisism. It's either that, or you open your mind somewhat to other peoples views or we'll publically show you up. Your choice.
Lads, am I being fair? Am I coming across too strong, or are my comments justified?
Tyla, do you want to shoot the kid down in flames, or shall I? :)
TN, listen, I have a plan. You keep to what you know - PHP, dot-to-dot's and lego. And we'll stop giving you abuse. I'm all for sharing ideas, but someone like you needs to understand that there is more to life than PHP and UNIX. Yes, they have their benefits, but just because thats all you know, doesn't mean they don't have their downsides too.
Like I said, I'm more than happy to discuss this off-line somehere, and hopefully you will get some benefit from hearing some constructive critisism. It's either that, or you open your mind somewhat to other peoples views or we'll publically show you up. Your choice.
Lads, am I being fair? Am I coming across too strong, or are my comments justified?
What, someone who knows that Unix is faster, securer and much more reliable?
Finally, someone else who can see TN for what he is.
Lets hope he gets the hint, takes a minute to think before posting, and lets get on with the forum.
Lets hope he gets the hint, takes a minute to think before posting, and lets get on with the forum.
Turbonutter wrote:
> Well, I tried. Your loss, not mine.
Actually no loss at all, we're still turning over £1million+ with our existing infrastructure and after suggesting your "advice" to our developers here, they laughed at the idea of some spotty geek trying to redefine our strategy just because he said so!!
> Well, I tried. Your loss, not mine.
Actually no loss at all, we're still turning over £1million+ with our existing infrastructure and after suggesting your "advice" to our developers here, they laughed at the idea of some spotty geek trying to redefine our strategy just because he said so!!
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