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I read Digitiser today.
Its always a bad idea.
Don`t know why I bothered.
It talked about a vote held by CVG, that asked "people" what their favourite games were. They then compiled a "Top 100" list. Something like 7 of the top 10 were N64 titles. Including the top 2 I believe.
So, the deduction is that the N64 titles are the best... Nintendo rule, Sony are rubbish, only for casual gamers... etc....
Erm? There are many flaws to this. First of all:
No matter what people say, it has to be admitted that the range of choice on N64 is a little... limited. There may be good games, but they are released once every decade or two. This means that if you ask an N64 fan what their favourite game is, its quite likely to be one of those select few, which will add greatly to the votes received by those games.
You take an owner of a Sony console, and whilst it may *possibly* be argued that there aren`t as many gold platinum, medal winning, award achieving, ground breaking, mind numbingly excellent titles, there are loads and loads of good games. People are given such a huge choice that they won`t all agree on what`s best. Some will vote for this... some will vote for that... and others will vote for something else entirely different - not just platformers and a couple of FPSs. That cuts the vote count for all Sony games straight away.
The second point is equally important, though I`m sure there will be many of you who are exceptions:
The most likely people to have voted in this survey (though I don`t know for sure) are the readers of CVG. This as far as I know is a multi format magazine, so in theory it should have a fairly even spread of various console owners - wrong, and majorly so.
At present, the most recent console released is the PS2 (in the UK). As a result, if you walk into a Magazine store, you are confronted by mostly PS2/PS magazines, and a handful of PC mags. After careful hunting, you may find multi-format mags, and occasional DC/N64 mags. My point is that if you have a PS, then you`re very likely to buy PS mags, and no multi-format mags such as CVG. If you have an N64, it may be more sensible to buy multi-format, as you may be undecided what console to move onto. Do you switch to Sony, or march with Microsoft? It could make you go for mags such as CVG. Therefore - the mag readers are biased in the favour of Nintendo/Sega.
As a result - don`t believe those figures, or that survey. Whilst I know some of you may be exceptions to what I`ve said above, it is true for many other people.
Statistics are so hard to trust these days, unless you know everything there is to know about your sample.
Its always a bad idea.
Don`t know why I bothered.
It talked about a vote held by CVG, that asked "people" what their favourite games were. They then compiled a "Top 100" list. Something like 7 of the top 10 were N64 titles. Including the top 2 I believe.
So, the deduction is that the N64 titles are the best... Nintendo rule, Sony are rubbish, only for casual gamers... etc....
Erm? There are many flaws to this. First of all:
No matter what people say, it has to be admitted that the range of choice on N64 is a little... limited. There may be good games, but they are released once every decade or two. This means that if you ask an N64 fan what their favourite game is, its quite likely to be one of those select few, which will add greatly to the votes received by those games.
You take an owner of a Sony console, and whilst it may *possibly* be argued that there aren`t as many gold platinum, medal winning, award achieving, ground breaking, mind numbingly excellent titles, there are loads and loads of good games. People are given such a huge choice that they won`t all agree on what`s best. Some will vote for this... some will vote for that... and others will vote for something else entirely different - not just platformers and a couple of FPSs. That cuts the vote count for all Sony games straight away.
The second point is equally important, though I`m sure there will be many of you who are exceptions:
The most likely people to have voted in this survey (though I don`t know for sure) are the readers of CVG. This as far as I know is a multi format magazine, so in theory it should have a fairly even spread of various console owners - wrong, and majorly so.
At present, the most recent console released is the PS2 (in the UK). As a result, if you walk into a Magazine store, you are confronted by mostly PS2/PS magazines, and a handful of PC mags. After careful hunting, you may find multi-format mags, and occasional DC/N64 mags. My point is that if you have a PS, then you`re very likely to buy PS mags, and no multi-format mags such as CVG. If you have an N64, it may be more sensible to buy multi-format, as you may be undecided what console to move onto. Do you switch to Sony, or march with Microsoft? It could make you go for mags such as CVG. Therefore - the mag readers are biased in the favour of Nintendo/Sega.
As a result - don`t believe those figures, or that survey. Whilst I know some of you may be exceptions to what I`ve said above, it is true for many other people.
Statistics are so hard to trust these days, unless you know everything there is to know about your sample.
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Digitiser are laughable... but not because of this survey! After all, they simply asked for other people's opinions...
The mistakes they probably made was to narrow the market.. I bet the people they asked hadn't owned a console before the Snes, and therefore great games like Manic Mioner didn't make it in there...
Far better is when a magazine's intelligent staff produce their own list independant of the public... so long as the staff are well informed, non-biased people, then the list will be far, far better than any list that the public produces... after all, such a list would be represenative of the people who read the mag, and not the greatest games of all time.
to give an example, one film magazine listed their readers fave films ever... Star Wars came top... which doesn't say anything about how good the film is... it says alot about the people who read the mag.
Sonic
The mistakes they probably made was to narrow the market.. I bet the people they asked hadn't owned a console before the Snes, and therefore great games like Manic Mioner didn't make it in there...
Far better is when a magazine's intelligent staff produce their own list independant of the public... so long as the staff are well informed, non-biased people, then the list will be far, far better than any list that the public produces... after all, such a list would be represenative of the people who read the mag, and not the greatest games of all time.
to give an example, one film magazine listed their readers fave films ever... Star Wars came top... which doesn't say anything about how good the film is... it says alot about the people who read the mag.
Sonic
Hey. I'm not an exception! I want to be the same, I tell you, the same!
Despite the fact that I love every console, like reading multi-format AND single format magazines, don't buy just one brand name, like sequels.....
;-)
Despite the fact that I love every console, like reading multi-format AND single format magazines, don't buy just one brand name, like sequels.....
;-)
Joe_Poly wrote:
> replying to the first topic post
I'm an N64 owner and I don't buy multi
> format magazines, there are still some Nintendo mags, I get both NOM and NGC.
Congrats on reading between the lines, sadly you seem to have now missed the lines themselves. I said there were bound to be exceptions, and thinking about it, they are most likely to be amongst people who spend time dicussing games on places like this.
> replying to the first topic post
I'm an N64 owner and I don't buy multi
> format magazines, there are still some Nintendo mags, I get both NOM and NGC.
Congrats on reading between the lines, sadly you seem to have now missed the lines themselves. I said there were bound to be exceptions, and thinking about it, they are most likely to be amongst people who spend time dicussing games on places like this.
There are new games coming out for the GBA and there are the old SNES remakes.
We are you only mentioning the remakes?
and everyone seems to keep saying Digitiser is a load of crap( i woudnt know i dont read it) but why do u lot keep reading it then?
We are you only mentioning the remakes?
and everyone seems to keep saying Digitiser is a load of crap( i woudnt know i dont read it) but why do u lot keep reading it then?
Ant wrote:
And I also feel they could've worked harder on the N64. I mean, what
> was the last really good game that came out for it?
Paper Mario only came out a few weeks back. And it is a truly great RPG. Not quite in the same league as a Zelda or FF game, but it isnt trying to be. Its a unique game in the way that it runs. Somthin that is very refreshing in this day and age.
And I also feel they could've worked harder on the N64. I mean, what
> was the last really good game that came out for it?
Paper Mario only came out a few weeks back. And it is a truly great RPG. Not quite in the same league as a Zelda or FF game, but it isnt trying to be. Its a unique game in the way that it runs. Somthin that is very refreshing in this day and age.
It's a bit like the pop charts really, isn't it.
Just because thousands of other people like Steps it it doesn't mean that you have to, does it?
I don't give a stuff what the general public as a whole feel is the best, because I regard the general public as a whole as a bunch of twonks.
I likes what I likes, and don't give two hoots whether people really share my opinion, yes I might try to dircet your opinion, but I respect you enough to be able to make your own minds up.
One mans meat is another mans poison.
Just because thousands of other people like Steps it it doesn't mean that you have to, does it?
I don't give a stuff what the general public as a whole feel is the best, because I regard the general public as a whole as a bunch of twonks.
I likes what I likes, and don't give two hoots whether people really share my opinion, yes I might try to dircet your opinion, but I respect you enough to be able to make your own minds up.
One mans meat is another mans poison.
Tiltawhirl wrote:
Yeah but at least Rare are making original games instead
> of crappy rehashes.
oh don't start, in fact tell me these "rehashes"
Yeah but at least Rare are making original games instead
> of crappy rehashes.
oh don't start, in fact tell me these "rehashes"
Grix Thraves wrote:
> Ant wrote:
"When did Rare release an updated SNES
> game?"
"Super Mario Advance, for one. Can't believe I bought that,
> what a rip-off."
>Ant, you're a right twonk.
Rare, Nintendo, whatever. That's what Ressie was referring to, so I'm not the twonk around here.
> Ant wrote:
"When did Rare release an updated SNES
> game?"
"Super Mario Advance, for one. Can't believe I bought that,
> what a rip-off."
>Ant, you're a right twonk.
Rare, Nintendo, whatever. That's what Ressie was referring to, so I'm not the twonk around here.
replying to the first topic post
I'm an N64 owner and I don't buy multi format magazines, there are still some Nintendo mags, I get both NOM and NGC.
I'm an N64 owner and I don't buy multi format magazines, there are still some Nintendo mags, I get both NOM and NGC.
Ant wrote:
"When did Rare release an updated SNES game?"
"Super Mario Advance, for one. Can't believe I bought that, what a rip-off."
Ant, you're a right twonk.
"When did Rare release an updated SNES game?"
"Super Mario Advance, for one. Can't believe I bought that, what a rip-off."
Ant, you're a right twonk.
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