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I assume most of you have heard about this in the news today
EDIT - Current figure now stands at 32 students shot dead at Virginia Tech College, Blackburn, USA.
All Police have confirmed is there was a heavily armed, ammunition carrying Asian man - who was killed. However, they're looking for a possible accomplice.
Apparently it's the worst occurence of this type of shooting since the six students were shot at the Kent State University for their Anti-Vietnam protest, back at the start of the 70s.
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EDIT - Current figure now stands at 32 students shot dead at Virginia Tech College, Blackburn, USA.
All Police have confirmed is there was a heavily armed, ammunition carrying Asian man - who was killed. However, they're looking for a possible accomplice.
Apparently it's the worst occurence of this type of shooting since the six students were shot at the Kent State University for their Anti-Vietnam protest, back at the start of the 70s.
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I concur with Kawada. I'd really like to know what pb thinks on the issue though, because he's just come off entirely prejudice.
In my opinion, opposed to stereotyping an entire nation, we should look closer to the larger issue..by and large, that being the psychology of the individuals going on these shooting sprees in our schools. Many people want to believe our laws are not working, but there are less crimes in countries with less restrictive laws. For the most part, murder-suicide occurs in every country, as does terroristic killing unfortunately. It leads one to ask, what is the general psychological analysis of individuals attempting suicide? The fact that these incidents are occuring at all in our schools here in the US, is most-likely because of the media attention it receives.
In my opinion, opposed to stereotyping an entire nation, we should look closer to the larger issue..by and large, that being the psychology of the individuals going on these shooting sprees in our schools. Many people want to believe our laws are not working, but there are less crimes in countries with less restrictive laws. For the most part, murder-suicide occurs in every country, as does terroristic killing unfortunately. It leads one to ask, what is the general psychological analysis of individuals attempting suicide? The fact that these incidents are occuring at all in our schools here in the US, is most-likely because of the media attention it receives.
heh, no it wasn't, however the new question is more sensible.
Ladybird wrote:
> pb wrote:
> Only in America, it seems.
>
> Why does this sort of thing happen in the US and not anywhere
> else?
>
>
> I must say, that is the most ignorant thing I've read thusfar on
> here. Okay, so I've only read three threads so far..
>
> A lot of miserably horrific things happen in the world much
> worse and more often, but you don't hear of them like this
> because in those countries there aren't broadcast
> services like there are in modern countries. Imagine what we'd
> be faced with if all the killing in African, Latin American, and
> Asian countries were accounted for and aired this way?
*sigh*
In many countries there are muggings, hostage taking and lots of unpleasant things, but school shootings by pupils are not common in any other country, I feel I am justified in making that statement. The question was, why is this type of violence so prominent in the USA, more so than any other country?
> pb wrote:
> Only in America, it seems.
>
> Why does this sort of thing happen in the US and not anywhere
> else?
>
>
> I must say, that is the most ignorant thing I've read thusfar on
> here. Okay, so I've only read three threads so far..
>
> A lot of miserably horrific things happen in the world much
> worse and more often, but you don't hear of them like this
> because in those countries there aren't broadcast
> services like there are in modern countries. Imagine what we'd
> be faced with if all the killing in African, Latin American, and
> Asian countries were accounted for and aired this way?
*sigh*
In many countries there are muggings, hostage taking and lots of unpleasant things, but school shootings by pupils are not common in any other country, I feel I am justified in making that statement. The question was, why is this type of violence so prominent in the USA, more so than any other country?
Grix Thraves wrote:
> I think he meant young people going on killing sprees, worse
> things happen statistically, but the closest thing you really
> have to these killing sprees are suicide bombers, and they,
> seemingly, have completely different reasons for doing so
Really. Like what pray tell..? It's terroristic killing no matter what angle you choose to look at it and it does not only happen in America.
> I think he meant young people going on killing sprees, worse
> things happen statistically, but the closest thing you really
> have to these killing sprees are suicide bombers, and they,
> seemingly, have completely different reasons for doing so
Really. Like what pray tell..? It's terroristic killing no matter what angle you choose to look at it and it does not only happen in America.
Can't you see theres a conspiracy going on? (Due to the fact that i can't submit the url i've broken it into 2)
linky
This is just stupid...
linky
This is just stupid...
A goose flew from Scotland to Norway in under 8 hours today and managed to do it without taking any hostages or harming anyone.
Goose > Rocket Scientist
Goose > Rocket Scientist
"An armed space engineer killed a co-worker he had taken hostage, then himself, at NASA's Johnson Space Centre."
HOUSTON (Reuters) - An armed space engineer killed a co-worker he had taken hostage, then himself, in an attack on Friday at NASA's Johnson Space Center.
Another hostage, a female co-worker, was found bound with duct tape, but unharmed, police said.
"Apparently there was some type of dispute between the suspect and the victim," Houston police chief Harold Hurtt said.
The incident occurred amid rising concerns about U.S. gun violence following the Monday attack at Virginia Tech university in which a student killed 32 people in the worst shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.
"As a result of the Virginia Tech shootings, we had reviewed our own (security) procedures here at the Johnson Space Center," center director Michael Coats told reporters.
"Of course, we never believed this could happen," he said.
Coats identified the shooter as Bill Phillips, who had worked at JSC for 12 years but was a contract worker employed by Pasadena, California-based Jacobs Engineering Group Inc.
"Up until recently, he's been a good employee," he said.
The dead co-worker was David Beverly, an engineer employed by NASA, Coats said. Both men were said to be in their 50s.
The incident began about 1:40 p.m. (1840 GMT) when, in the building where they worked, Phillips pulled out a gun and was heard firing at least two shots, police said.
Fran Crenshaw was taken hostage apparently only because she was nearby, Hurtt said. She was bound, but managed to get tape off her mouth and call NASA's emergency number, he said.
BUILDING EVACUATED
Workers in the building, which houses communications equipment, were quickly evacuated and heavily armed police moved in.
As they drew closer, they heard a shot and went in to find the gunman and his male hostage dead, said police spokesman Dwayne Ready.
"As our SWAT members made entry, they did indeed determine that the suspect shot himself one time to the head," Ready said.
"Also, on the same floor there was one other hostage that was shot. We believe that may have occurred in the early minutes of this whole ordeal."
Ready said police had tried to communicate with the gunman, but got no response.
On a table, he had left a list of names and numbers of people to be notified about his death, Hurtt said.
Police said Phillips used a snub-nosed revolver he had bought on March 19 at a local gun shop.
Building 44, where the shooting took place, is slightly separated from most of the space center -- a sprawling 1,600-acre (650-hectare) campus that is home to NASA's Mission Control and the center of training for the space agency's astronaut corps.
NASA officials said the incident did not affect operations, which include flight control for the International Space Station.
In February, in another unusual event for NASA, astronaut Lisa Nowak was arrested in Florida on charges she assaulted a romantic rival. Nowak, who was based at JSC, was later fired from NASA and is awaiting trial in September.
Phillips, who had no family, lived near the space center in a one-story brick house, where the windows were shuttered and police peering inside said there was little furniture.
Neighbours described Phillips as friendly, but reserved.
"He was pretty much a loner. He was friendly, he'd wave at you, but I never saw anybody with him," said Kevin Rizer.
HOUSTON (Reuters) - An armed space engineer killed a co-worker he had taken hostage, then himself, in an attack on Friday at NASA's Johnson Space Center.
Another hostage, a female co-worker, was found bound with duct tape, but unharmed, police said.
"Apparently there was some type of dispute between the suspect and the victim," Houston police chief Harold Hurtt said.
The incident occurred amid rising concerns about U.S. gun violence following the Monday attack at Virginia Tech university in which a student killed 32 people in the worst shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.
"As a result of the Virginia Tech shootings, we had reviewed our own (security) procedures here at the Johnson Space Center," center director Michael Coats told reporters.
"Of course, we never believed this could happen," he said.
Coats identified the shooter as Bill Phillips, who had worked at JSC for 12 years but was a contract worker employed by Pasadena, California-based Jacobs Engineering Group Inc.
"Up until recently, he's been a good employee," he said.
The dead co-worker was David Beverly, an engineer employed by NASA, Coats said. Both men were said to be in their 50s.
The incident began about 1:40 p.m. (1840 GMT) when, in the building where they worked, Phillips pulled out a gun and was heard firing at least two shots, police said.
Fran Crenshaw was taken hostage apparently only because she was nearby, Hurtt said. She was bound, but managed to get tape off her mouth and call NASA's emergency number, he said.
BUILDING EVACUATED
Workers in the building, which houses communications equipment, were quickly evacuated and heavily armed police moved in.
As they drew closer, they heard a shot and went in to find the gunman and his male hostage dead, said police spokesman Dwayne Ready.
"As our SWAT members made entry, they did indeed determine that the suspect shot himself one time to the head," Ready said.
"Also, on the same floor there was one other hostage that was shot. We believe that may have occurred in the early minutes of this whole ordeal."
Ready said police had tried to communicate with the gunman, but got no response.
On a table, he had left a list of names and numbers of people to be notified about his death, Hurtt said.
Police said Phillips used a snub-nosed revolver he had bought on March 19 at a local gun shop.
Building 44, where the shooting took place, is slightly separated from most of the space center -- a sprawling 1,600-acre (650-hectare) campus that is home to NASA's Mission Control and the center of training for the space agency's astronaut corps.
NASA officials said the incident did not affect operations, which include flight control for the International Space Station.
In February, in another unusual event for NASA, astronaut Lisa Nowak was arrested in Florida on charges she assaulted a romantic rival. Nowak, who was based at JSC, was later fired from NASA and is awaiting trial in September.
Phillips, who had no family, lived near the space center in a one-story brick house, where the windows were shuttered and police peering inside said there was little furniture.
Neighbours described Phillips as friendly, but reserved.
"He was pretty much a loner. He was friendly, he'd wave at you, but I never saw anybody with him," said Kevin Rizer.
I heard there was a shooting at NASA recently. One of two hostages killed, then the guy commit suicide.
I think he meant young people going on killing sprees, worse things happen statistically, but the closest thing you really have to these killing sprees are suicide bombers, and they, seemingly, have completely different reasons for doing so
pb wrote:
> Only in America, it seems.
>
> Why does this sort of thing happen in the US and not anywhere
> else?
I must say, that is the most ignorant thing I've read thusfar on here. Okay, so I've only read three threads so far..
A lot of miserably horrific things happen in the world much worse and more often, but you don't hear of them like this because in those countries there aren't broadcast services like there are in modern countries. Imagine what we'd be faced with if all the killing in African, Latin American, and Asian countries were accounted for and aired this way?
> Only in America, it seems.
>
> Why does this sort of thing happen in the US and not anywhere
> else?
I must say, that is the most ignorant thing I've read thusfar on here. Okay, so I've only read three threads so far..
A lot of miserably horrific things happen in the world much worse and more often, but you don't hear of them like this because in those countries there aren't broadcast services like there are in modern countries. Imagine what we'd be faced with if all the killing in African, Latin American, and Asian countries were accounted for and aired this way?
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