GetDotted Domains

Viewing Thread:
"Nintendo - It's Own Worst Enemy"

The "General Games Chat" forum, which includes Retro Game Reviews, has been archived and is now read-only. You cannot post here or create a new thread or review on this forum.

Sun 06/07/03 at 15:37
Regular
Posts: 787
http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=4894

Exactly.
Mon 07/07/03 at 15:11
Regular
"sdomehtongng"
Posts: 23,695
Yeah, they were doing something like that on Cube-Europe.

They'd got an address that went directly to Nintendo of America and loads of people were sending e-mails requesting for online over connectivity.
Mon 07/07/03 at 13:07
Regular
"gsybe you!"
Posts: 18,825
We should draw up a few points we'd 'reccomend' for Nintendo to address, and then send it to them, with loadsa signatures.

Maybe.

I mean, even if Nintendo do not think online is viable, they should at least encourage development, just in case, beyond giving out online dev kits.
Mon 07/07/03 at 12:59
Regular
Posts: 18,185
AfroJoe wrote:

> Yup. We'll need to ask some serious questions if Gamecube 2 isn't
> online from Day 1 or somewhere thereabouts. And these Japanese games
> really do need to get a release here. Animal Crossing would've sold
> quite a lot, and if Winning Eleven had been allowed a release over
> here I'm sure it would've sold millions.

Now the problem Nintendo had with Animal Crossing was revealed in an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto. He revealed Animal Crossing was never intended for a world wide release but they tried it anyway, you see they need to "re-develop" the game with new holidays and so much translation needs to go into the game. But then Shigsy said "I mean we'd be happy to do it if Europe were okay with the American holidays" and then he added "Hmmm well in that case we might do it". It is still to be released in Australia and now rumours persist that the recent Animal Crossing plus released in Japan could well hit European shores completley skipping America.

> I will most probably be going online with my Gamecube if things really
> start to get better, and I'll most certainly go online with the
> Gamecube's successor, again, if they can be bothered with it. I have
> an Xbox but Live doesn't really appeal that much too me; it's the
> games that do it. Not many titles that I'd like to be playing
> online... but Nintendo games - they'd be brilliant online. Mario Kart,
> Golf, Tennis, F-Zero GX, Conflict: Desert Storm, TimeSplitters 2,
> hell, even Pikmin would be cool online (competitions to see who can be
> the most successful, in say, an hour on a huge open world). I have
> Broadband, and Ninty online would be cool.

Although I'm not a fan of online gaming and its problems I have to confess it would be a good laugh playing those Nintendo classics online.
Mon 07/07/03 at 12:51
Regular
"sdomehtongng"
Posts: 23,695
Dringo wrote:
> Nintendo have opened up online capabilities... it is true to say
> though that if the Gamecube 2 doesn't launch with online out of the
> box with online Animal Crossing, Gamecube wars etc... then we may have
> to start moaning... I don't care I won't go online.

Yup. We'll need to ask some serious questions if Gamecube 2 isn't online from Day 1 or somewhere thereabouts. And these Japanese games really do need to get a release here. Animal Crossing would've sold quite a lot, and if Winning Eleven had been allowed a release over here I'm sure it would've sold millions.

I will most probably be going online with my Gamecube if things really start to get better, and I'll most certainly go online with the Gamecube's successor, again, if they can be bothered with it. I have an Xbox but Live doesn't really appeal that much too me; it's the games that do it. Not many titles that I'd like to be playing online... but Nintendo games - they'd be brilliant online. Mario Kart, Golf, Tennis, F-Zero GX, Conflict: Desert Storm, TimeSplitters 2, hell, even Pikmin would be cool online (competitions to see who can be the most successful, in say, an hour on a huge open world). I have Broadband, and Ninty online would be cool.

Please, Nintendo, do it for AJ. :-)
Mon 07/07/03 at 12:45
Regular
Posts: 18,185
AfroJoe wrote:

>
> Yes, the new Pacman connectivity is looking rather cool, but
> connectivity on the whole isn't going to make people want to buy or
> use Nintendo products. As I've stated before, people aren't going to
> want to spend £75 for two games + the £15 for link cable

It is true to say it won't shift consoles but it may do for the GBA fans looking to expand their gaming pleasure... its Nintendo's way of capitalising on the success of their Gameboy franchise.

>
> 3: Nintendo won't go online because they'll lose money which they
> cannot afford to do.
>
> They'll lose money right now, but in the long run it could be very
> cost effective. Online Gaming is what gamers want, and you can't deny
> that. Xbox Live is building up its user base and even the PS2 has
> started to put many games online. They may lose money right now with
> going online, but if they don't go online, they're going to lose a lot
> more.

Nintendo have opened up online capabilities... it is true to say though that if the Gamecube 2 doesn't launch with online out of the box with online Animal Crossing, Gamecube wars etc... then we may have to start moaning... I don't care I won't go online.

> 5: Advertisment doesn't always work look at the Dreamcast.
>
> Yes, look at the Dreamcast... but look at the PS2. SEGA advertised the
> Dreamcast in a way that didn't appeal to the masses... Sony did the
> opposite, and their advertising has made them a huge success. Nintendo
> just need to do it correctly.

SEGA advertised with football sponsorship and mass TV ads and poster boards etc... just it still didn't work. Sony crushed them.
Mon 07/07/03 at 12:37
Regular
"sdomehtongng"
Posts: 23,695
Dringo wrote:
> 2: The GBA/GCN connectivity is a gimmick AT THE MOMENT, the new Pacman
> game seems like a VERY clever idea as does the final fantasy one...
> connectivity is a big thing for Nintendo because it is so easy to
> do.

Yes, the new Pacman connectivity is looking rather cool, but connectivity on the whole isn't going to make people want to buy or use Nintendo products. As I've stated before, people aren't going to want to spend £75 for two games + the £15 for link cable so they can unlock an extra level and use their GBA as a radar. Going online with cheap(ish) fees would do much more for sales.

> 3: Nintendo won't go online because they'll lose money which they
> cannot afford to do.

They'll lose money right now, but in the long run it could be very cost effective. Online Gaming is what gamers want, and you can't deny that. Xbox Live is building up its user base and even the PS2 has started to put many games online. They may lose money right now with going online, but if they don't go online, they're going to lose a lot more.

> 5: Advertisment doesn't always work look at the Dreamcast.

Yes, look at the Dreamcast... but look at the PS2. SEGA advertised the Dreamcast in a way that didn't appeal to the masses... Sony did the opposite, and their advertising has made them a huge success. Nintendo just need to do it correctly.
Mon 07/07/03 at 12:30
Regular
Posts: 18,185
That article is utter bull crap.

1: Nintendo don't make their own advertisements it is commisoned outside the company it is hardly Nintendo's fault... when Nintendo do get hands on with advertisement we got the Mario and Pokemon phenomona although the current Kirby one isn't really going to plan.

2: The GBA/GCN connectivity is a gimmick AT THE MOMENT, the new Pacman game seems like a VERY clever idea as does the final fantasy one... connectivity is a big thing for Nintendo because it is so easy to do.

3: Nintendo won't go online because they'll lose money which they cannot afford to do.

4: Nintendo come on top at all E3 games shows except the most recent one... its unfair to criticise the company for one bad show out of 10 brilliant ones.

5: Advertisment doesn't always work look at the Dreamcast.

6: It is exceptable to argue that Nintendo have concentrated on the east for a while with Capcom, Konami, Namco, Square, SEGA etc... deals but in the west Nintendo have just commisoned a new game from Zoonami and the N-trance game GEIST and of course the 20 game EA deal struck earlier this month. It is showing that Nintendo are at last looking at the west.
Mon 07/07/03 at 12:20
Regular
Posts: 18,185
RastaBillySkank wrote:
> Oh and Nintendo should quit being so cosy with EA and their
> franchise-a-thon's and start giving companies like Free Radical,
> Retro, Silicon Knights and Square and bit more respect.

So owning Retro doesn't give them much respect? Giving Silicon Knights s**t loads of money and the oppertunity to make Metal Gear Solid not much respect?

please.
Mon 07/07/03 at 09:07
Regular
"sdomehtongng"
Posts: 23,695
RastaBillySkank wrote:
> Comical Yami: No, the PSP will fail miserably. No it will not sell to
> all PS2 fans. It will roast in the belly of beasts along with all the
> other infidels. And no it is Xbox, Xbox it is who is selling poorly in
> Europe.

---

Heh, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually said that. But sadly, I don't think we got a Yamauchi reaction to the PSP, did we?
Sun 06/07/03 at 23:24
Regular
"You've upset me"
Posts: 21,152
Hmmm. I want to continue this discussion. But there's no one here. *cries*

Freeola & GetDotted are rated 5 Stars

Check out some of our customer reviews below:

The coolest ISP ever!
In my opinion, the ISP is the best I have ever used. They guarantee 'first time connection - everytime', which they have never let me down on.
Simple, yet effective...
This is perfect, so simple yet effective, couldnt believe that I could build a web site, have alrealdy recommended you to friends. Brilliant.
Con

View More Reviews

Need some help? Give us a call on 01376 55 60 60

Go to Support Centre

It appears you are using an old browser, as such, some parts of the Freeola and Getdotted site will not work as intended. Using the latest version of your browser, or another browser such as Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, or Opera will provide a better, safer browsing experience for you.