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It is common knowledge that every Game company wants to make as much money as they can! and hold onto an idea that continues to gain money. Nintendo however are not inexperienced in this field, as we all well know, they launched Games on cartridges since their conception at making games- debuting with the NES. Because of this, third party developers seeing the success of the NES growing, wanted to develop for the NES, but of course to do so, you had to pay Handsome royalties to Nintendo, who gained most of the time. Namco was one of the first developers that was subject to these high costs. It wasn't surprising that in 1995 Namco abandoned the New N64 in favour of a much cheaper format- Compact Discs. Then moving their loyalty to Sony with Nintendo allies Square following suit.
However now we know that Nintendo has been forced to abandon this hardline approach of Cartridges for the Gamecube, it was the start of a new era, seeing Mini-DVD Discs, in favour of the much more expensive carts. With a whopping storage capacity of just over 1.5 GB.
Of course this is a good thing, for everyone in fact. For Nintendo-A Mini DVD has the enormous advantage of not being able to be pirated. Plus the huge gains for them as developers who abandoned them in the past come flocking back, looking for a piece of the action. And of course Because it is not called a DVD in such, Nintendo doesn't have to pay royalties to Sony and Philips who are joint creators and owner's of the DVD format and the use of the name.
For us gamers, we can look forward to the prospect of wonderful game's with no excuses of storage capacities that N64 owners became used to. But we have not just Nintendo to thank but Matsushita as well, who will manufacture the discs.
Many Developers are coming back to Nintendo because of the discs. We have Namco of course on track in releasing Soul Calibre 2, Ridge Racer 6, Klonoa 2. Then we have Capcom who where in most absent with the N64, releasing the Resident Evil Saga exclusive to the console. And of course all the talk is at the moment, with the BIG-ONE 'Squaresoft', with reports that Nintendo and Square will have a joint conference next week, citing rumours that Final Fantasy 10 will be unveiled for the system.
Now that's what the advantages of this Disc format would be!.
Companies who where thought to have abandoned Nintendo all together coming back into the fold, along with Nintendo's expertise in Gaming, creating a Console that is a must to own; and a console of all consoles. Yes I'm speaking of Gamecube.
And as for the advantages of this disc format?? the Mini DVD has an unquestionable advantage on the standard DVD. The disc is small, giving a laser less time to spread over the surface of the disc, data could be transmitted to the Console quicker, if not equal to the Cartridges before it.
And in terms of the amount of Data being stored to the regular DVD disc, that argument doesn't come into it. In fact, very little developer's Today actually fill the whole Disc area, the PS2 Is a DVD/CD console and the good majority (If not all of the games for it) are 700 Mb in total or a little under in most cases, thus some haven't took on board the DVD format yet, since there is no need, so they stuck with CD.
I think Nintendo is on to a winner. And watch too as more Developer's join with the Cube as the Square/Nintendo conference gets underway.
The Mini DVD Format could be Nintendo's saviour. Imagine if they had stuck with carts? It would have been the end of a gaming Giant.
Thank god sense prevailed.
However now we know that Nintendo has been forced to abandon this hardline approach of Cartridges for the Gamecube, it was the start of a new era, seeing Mini-DVD Discs, in favour of the much more expensive carts. With a whopping storage capacity of just over 1.5 GB.
Of course this is a good thing, for everyone in fact. For Nintendo-A Mini DVD has the enormous advantage of not being able to be pirated. Plus the huge gains for them as developers who abandoned them in the past come flocking back, looking for a piece of the action. And of course Because it is not called a DVD in such, Nintendo doesn't have to pay royalties to Sony and Philips who are joint creators and owner's of the DVD format and the use of the name.
For us gamers, we can look forward to the prospect of wonderful game's with no excuses of storage capacities that N64 owners became used to. But we have not just Nintendo to thank but Matsushita as well, who will manufacture the discs.
Many Developers are coming back to Nintendo because of the discs. We have Namco of course on track in releasing Soul Calibre 2, Ridge Racer 6, Klonoa 2. Then we have Capcom who where in most absent with the N64, releasing the Resident Evil Saga exclusive to the console. And of course all the talk is at the moment, with the BIG-ONE 'Squaresoft', with reports that Nintendo and Square will have a joint conference next week, citing rumours that Final Fantasy 10 will be unveiled for the system.
Now that's what the advantages of this Disc format would be!.
Companies who where thought to have abandoned Nintendo all together coming back into the fold, along with Nintendo's expertise in Gaming, creating a Console that is a must to own; and a console of all consoles. Yes I'm speaking of Gamecube.
And as for the advantages of this disc format?? the Mini DVD has an unquestionable advantage on the standard DVD. The disc is small, giving a laser less time to spread over the surface of the disc, data could be transmitted to the Console quicker, if not equal to the Cartridges before it.
And in terms of the amount of Data being stored to the regular DVD disc, that argument doesn't come into it. In fact, very little developer's Today actually fill the whole Disc area, the PS2 Is a DVD/CD console and the good majority (If not all of the games for it) are 700 Mb in total or a little under in most cases, thus some haven't took on board the DVD format yet, since there is no need, so they stuck with CD.
I think Nintendo is on to a winner. And watch too as more Developer's join with the Cube as the Square/Nintendo conference gets underway.
The Mini DVD Format could be Nintendo's saviour. Imagine if they had stuck with carts? It would have been the end of a gaming Giant.
Thank god sense prevailed.
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Turbonutter wrote:
> WolfHound wrote:
> which has been released on Playstation 2 have used the
> CD
> format not DVD 'yet'.
Right, that's it. You are now officially a
> plankton and I will never listen to anything you say again. Please, leave the
> forums, we have no time for stupid, ignorant and biased people like you.
LOL!!!
Really? Ever happen to listen to yourself praising a feeble PS2??
> WolfHound wrote:
> which has been released on Playstation 2 have used the
> CD
> format not DVD 'yet'.
Right, that's it. You are now officially a
> plankton and I will never listen to anything you say again. Please, leave the
> forums, we have no time for stupid, ignorant and biased people like you.
LOL!!!
Really? Ever happen to listen to yourself praising a feeble PS2??
Does any of this matter at all!!!!
ALL that matters is the quality of games, and how they will be affected, along with game price and piracy issues.
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So, the quality of games:
Well, the GC should certainly have a broader range of games than the N64 (not that it's a hard feat!), with many more developers on board. This is not only due to the discs of course. More importantly Ninty are actually giving developers GC dev kits. (With the N64 ONLY ninty were allowed to make and release games for the first few months!!!! How absurd is that... even the head of Ninty America said so!). This meant that developers could either wait for a console that was one year away (and even then they may not get a dev kit if they weren't in Ninty's "dream team"), OR they could develop games for the far better technically supported PSX. I wonder which they chose!
So, game range and competition should be increased, raising the general quality of games (not that the N64 had poor games... it was just very under supported!).
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How will games be affected?
Well, there are these ideas of load times being decreased. Of course this is true- the discs are smaller, and have better compression than the PS2. It's bound to happen seeing as the technology in the PS2 is far older than the GCs (in computing terms that is!).
However, how big will the difference be? Well coded games on the PS2 and DC have NO loading times anyway- take Soul Reaver and DOA2 as two examples... each of which has no in game loading, and each is a completely different style of game.
So, loading times may be impacted... but people are so used to them I don't think it will make a difference. Just play Resident Evil (where room-to-room changes need you to view the door opening very, ver, very slowly!), and you won't care about the loads! Unless they are really, really long!
Appart from that, games can have FMV and more textures etc. But because every other new console has the capacity to do this, it isn't a big deal... just ninty catching up with the rest of the consoles.
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The price of games:
Well, I always thought that by going away from carts, GC games would cost less. However, someone pointed out that Ninty still have control over the publishing of games, and could charge another high price. But in the wake of the N64 I doubt this will happen. Ninty will probably keep game prices on par with the PS2 and Xbox.
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PIRACY!
There's a big point! What will the DVD optical discs do for piracy. My bet is that piracy on the GC WILL happen. It has happened on EVERY other format.
The PSX and shortly the PS2 will have copied CDs and DVDs... not hard to do
The DC with a propietry format that cannot even be bought was cracked by making the console think the CD in it was a GD (the type of disc that DCs use).
And even the N64 had the V64 Doctor! A machine to make "backup copies" of games!
I have no doubt that this console too will share in piracy... but more in Asia (where 60% of games bought are copied) than over here. Any idiot in England can burn a PS1 game... it takes quite a lot of money to buy mini-disc writers, and hence only Asia will be hit at first. If the format takes off (unlikely as it is!) then it may become more common here... but not by much!
Well, here you have my views! I shall be looking forward to the GC launch... may get a second hand one shortly afetrwards (if you look in the right places you can get top deals;)
Logan
ALL that matters is the quality of games, and how they will be affected, along with game price and piracy issues.
********************************
So, the quality of games:
Well, the GC should certainly have a broader range of games than the N64 (not that it's a hard feat!), with many more developers on board. This is not only due to the discs of course. More importantly Ninty are actually giving developers GC dev kits. (With the N64 ONLY ninty were allowed to make and release games for the first few months!!!! How absurd is that... even the head of Ninty America said so!). This meant that developers could either wait for a console that was one year away (and even then they may not get a dev kit if they weren't in Ninty's "dream team"), OR they could develop games for the far better technically supported PSX. I wonder which they chose!
So, game range and competition should be increased, raising the general quality of games (not that the N64 had poor games... it was just very under supported!).
**************************
How will games be affected?
Well, there are these ideas of load times being decreased. Of course this is true- the discs are smaller, and have better compression than the PS2. It's bound to happen seeing as the technology in the PS2 is far older than the GCs (in computing terms that is!).
However, how big will the difference be? Well coded games on the PS2 and DC have NO loading times anyway- take Soul Reaver and DOA2 as two examples... each of which has no in game loading, and each is a completely different style of game.
So, loading times may be impacted... but people are so used to them I don't think it will make a difference. Just play Resident Evil (where room-to-room changes need you to view the door opening very, ver, very slowly!), and you won't care about the loads! Unless they are really, really long!
Appart from that, games can have FMV and more textures etc. But because every other new console has the capacity to do this, it isn't a big deal... just ninty catching up with the rest of the consoles.
*************************
The price of games:
Well, I always thought that by going away from carts, GC games would cost less. However, someone pointed out that Ninty still have control over the publishing of games, and could charge another high price. But in the wake of the N64 I doubt this will happen. Ninty will probably keep game prices on par with the PS2 and Xbox.
*************************
PIRACY!
There's a big point! What will the DVD optical discs do for piracy. My bet is that piracy on the GC WILL happen. It has happened on EVERY other format.
The PSX and shortly the PS2 will have copied CDs and DVDs... not hard to do
The DC with a propietry format that cannot even be bought was cracked by making the console think the CD in it was a GD (the type of disc that DCs use).
And even the N64 had the V64 Doctor! A machine to make "backup copies" of games!
I have no doubt that this console too will share in piracy... but more in Asia (where 60% of games bought are copied) than over here. Any idiot in England can burn a PS1 game... it takes quite a lot of money to buy mini-disc writers, and hence only Asia will be hit at first. If the format takes off (unlikely as it is!) then it may become more common here... but not by much!
Well, here you have my views! I shall be looking forward to the GC launch... may get a second hand one shortly afetrwards (if you look in the right places you can get top deals;)
Logan
WolfHound wrote:
> which has been released on Playstation 2 have used the CD
> format not DVD 'yet'.
Right, that's it. You are now officially a plankton and I will never listen to anything you say again. Please, leave the forums, we have no time for stupid, ignorant and biased people like you.
> which has been released on Playstation 2 have used the CD
> format not DVD 'yet'.
Right, that's it. You are now officially a plankton and I will never listen to anything you say again. Please, leave the forums, we have no time for stupid, ignorant and biased people like you.
Oh, for God's sake:
1) The optical disc (as they are formally known as) has nothing, at all, whatsoever to do with the loading times. Yes, the GameCube has small loading times, but that's due to other things
2) People said, way back in 1994, that you'd never be able to fil a whole CD. It was unthinkable! Yet, 5 years later, we have Final Fantasies spanning a whopping 4 discs! That's half a DVD in itself, and the next FFs will be bigger.
1) The optical disc (as they are formally known as) has nothing, at all, whatsoever to do with the loading times. Yes, the GameCube has small loading times, but that's due to other things
2) People said, way back in 1994, that you'd never be able to fil a whole CD. It was unthinkable! Yet, 5 years later, we have Final Fantasies spanning a whopping 4 discs! That's half a DVD in itself, and the next FFs will be bigger.
WolfHound wrote:
Games which has been released on Playstation 2 have used the CD
> format not DVD 'yet'.
Do they heck, I think there's more games on DVD than CD.
Fur Fighters
Fantavision
Shadow of Destiny
Gran Turismo 3
Red Faction
Resident Evil CVX
(feel free to continue anyone cus theres alot more)
Games which has been released on Playstation 2 have used the CD
> format not DVD 'yet'.
Do they heck, I think there's more games on DVD than CD.
Fur Fighters
Fantavision
Shadow of Destiny
Gran Turismo 3
Red Faction
Resident Evil CVX
(feel free to continue anyone cus theres alot more)
Res€vilfan wrote:
> PS2 DVD discs are 4.7gb.
Also Im not 100% sure but in a special magazine
> around the launch it said new types of DVD could be even higher.
Games which has been released on Playstation 2 have used the CD format not DVD 'yet'.
> PS2 DVD discs are 4.7gb.
Also Im not 100% sure but in a special magazine
> around the launch it said new types of DVD could be even higher.
Games which has been released on Playstation 2 have used the CD format not DVD 'yet'.
Zelda. For some reason I hate it. Everyone else seems to like it but I hate it.
Strafex wrote:
Zelda was big on 32Mb.
32mb? cool no doubt I'll be downloading that to the PS2 HDD. Muhahahaha
Zelda was big on 32Mb.
32mb? cool no doubt I'll be downloading that to the PS2 HDD. Muhahahaha
Strafex wrote:
> Hey, if Sony put Nintendo out of business
That's not going to happen, and I don't think Sony would want it to either.
> Hey, if Sony put Nintendo out of business
That's not going to happen, and I don't think Sony would want it to either.
Wòókiee Møn§†€R wrote:
> Res€vilfan wrote:
> PS2 DVD discs are 4.7gb.
> Also Im not 100% sure
> but in a special magazine
> around the launch it said new types of DVD could
> be even higher.
You can get up to 17 gigabytes on a dual-sided, dual-layer
> DVD-18 disc.
Yes, it is true, a double sided DVD can hold 17.5 gigabytes.
> Res€vilfan wrote:
> PS2 DVD discs are 4.7gb.
> Also Im not 100% sure
> but in a special magazine
> around the launch it said new types of DVD could
> be even higher.
You can get up to 17 gigabytes on a dual-sided, dual-layer
> DVD-18 disc.
Yes, it is true, a double sided DVD can hold 17.5 gigabytes.
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