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Who's getting one? Who's worried about it's impact on a market? and who wants it to die on it's ass?
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cookie monster wrote:
> Notorious Biggles wrote:
> If that happens then expect to see Nintendo bought over.
>
> I doubt it, Nintendo are filthy rich.
But they still have shareholders right?
> Notorious Biggles wrote:
> If that happens then expect to see Nintendo bought over.
>
> I doubt it, Nintendo are filthy rich.
But they still have shareholders right?
Notorious Biggles wrote:
>
> Now onto the PSP. It will sell bucketloads. The Playstation brand is
> that strong.
Agreed.
>
> As for Nintendo, they don't learn Hedfix.
Why switch to disc format then? Why let other developers have Nintendo licences to work on? What are Nintendo ding in the meantime? I'm telling you something big is in the works.
Eventually the N64 sold
> 30-35 million units. That's at least 20 million more than the GC.
> Which only has a maximum of 3 years left in it, with 2 being more
> realistic. The GC will end up doing worse than the N64.
But Nintendo live to fight another day and have bought themselves time to evaluate what to do next.
>
> Maybe Nintendo will release a new handheld before or just after the
> PSP. But it will probably end up having a few more rehashes of old
> games. I want something new, not Mario World 54782 Advance Super
> Colour.
Well we shall have to see.
>
> Recently the GBA SP has had some advertising. Some pretty good too,
> in buses (seen the 300 other things to do in the dark ad? Quite good
> for Ninty). But will they do a big marketing campaign to try take the
> shine off of the PSP? Of course not.
Never say never. Like I said Nintendo must have learnt from when the PlayStation took over. If they haven't then they will be up the creek without a paddle.
>
> I doubt that the PSP will make it to number one in the handheld
> market. But it will take a fair bit of the market. And that will hurt
> Nintendo's profits. Doing more damage to their bank balance.
Agreed.
>
> By the generation after that, if Nokia have not given up on the
> handheld market then I see Nintendo having less than 50% market
> share. If that happens then expect to see Nintendo bought over.
Possible but I don't think that likely. Nintendo have seen off the Game Gear, The Lynx and the Wonderswan etc. They have their battle scars and they are old hands in the handheld market.
>
> GC a Nintendo testing ground? Doubt it.
Farming out the licences breathes new life into them AND gives Nintendo time to work on new ones/next console/next handheld/etc.
MS didn't need a testing
> ground.
MS can simply throw money at it until it works. ;)
You get out there and do the best you can. Nintendo are not
> going to change whilst the same people are in charge. And whilst
> people do still rush to buy their games, most of the time it's out of
> the rarities sake of seeing a game on the GC.
I think they will change, but we will have to wait and see.
>Let's face it, Nintendo
> are never exactly setting the game charts alight are they?
Occasionally. :)
>
> Now onto the PSP. It will sell bucketloads. The Playstation brand is
> that strong.
Agreed.
>
> As for Nintendo, they don't learn Hedfix.
Why switch to disc format then? Why let other developers have Nintendo licences to work on? What are Nintendo ding in the meantime? I'm telling you something big is in the works.
Eventually the N64 sold
> 30-35 million units. That's at least 20 million more than the GC.
> Which only has a maximum of 3 years left in it, with 2 being more
> realistic. The GC will end up doing worse than the N64.
But Nintendo live to fight another day and have bought themselves time to evaluate what to do next.
>
> Maybe Nintendo will release a new handheld before or just after the
> PSP. But it will probably end up having a few more rehashes of old
> games. I want something new, not Mario World 54782 Advance Super
> Colour.
Well we shall have to see.
>
> Recently the GBA SP has had some advertising. Some pretty good too,
> in buses (seen the 300 other things to do in the dark ad? Quite good
> for Ninty). But will they do a big marketing campaign to try take the
> shine off of the PSP? Of course not.
Never say never. Like I said Nintendo must have learnt from when the PlayStation took over. If they haven't then they will be up the creek without a paddle.
>
> I doubt that the PSP will make it to number one in the handheld
> market. But it will take a fair bit of the market. And that will hurt
> Nintendo's profits. Doing more damage to their bank balance.
Agreed.
>
> By the generation after that, if Nokia have not given up on the
> handheld market then I see Nintendo having less than 50% market
> share. If that happens then expect to see Nintendo bought over.
Possible but I don't think that likely. Nintendo have seen off the Game Gear, The Lynx and the Wonderswan etc. They have their battle scars and they are old hands in the handheld market.
>
> GC a Nintendo testing ground? Doubt it.
Farming out the licences breathes new life into them AND gives Nintendo time to work on new ones/next console/next handheld/etc.
MS didn't need a testing
> ground.
MS can simply throw money at it until it works. ;)
You get out there and do the best you can. Nintendo are not
> going to change whilst the same people are in charge. And whilst
> people do still rush to buy their games, most of the time it's out of
> the rarities sake of seeing a game on the GC.
I think they will change, but we will have to wait and see.
>Let's face it, Nintendo
> are never exactly setting the game charts alight are they?
Occasionally. :)
Dr Gonzo wrote:
> Yeah - I'm sure they're delighted to be slowly getting nudged into
> third in a three horse race.
Not as true as you might think, figures i saw on Gamescentral a little over a few weeks ago still indicated a 500,000+ console lead in favour of the gamecube, considering the Xbox was out in the March and the 'Cube out in the May, i dont think thats bad going at all.
> Yeah - I'm sure they're delighted to be slowly getting nudged into
> third in a three horse race.
Not as true as you might think, figures i saw on Gamescentral a little over a few weeks ago still indicated a 500,000+ console lead in favour of the gamecube, considering the Xbox was out in the March and the 'Cube out in the May, i dont think thats bad going at all.
Notorious Biggles wrote:
> If that happens then expect to see Nintendo bought over.
I doubt it, Nintendo are filthy rich.
> If that happens then expect to see Nintendo bought over.
I doubt it, Nintendo are filthy rich.
Dr Gonzo wrote:
>
> Where's the exclusive Nintendo AAA titles from these guys then?
> There aren't any. The developers have the power now and release
> everything across two/three machines.
Next console. Wait and see the launch titles.
>
> Yeah - I'm sure they're delighted to be slowly getting nudged into
> third in a three horse race.
Big deal, they're in the black.
>
> And yet the quality of their games is so much higher.
>
> Your missing the point entirely - the quality of games is almost
> irrelevant to how many consoles are sold. Like I said before, I've
> been playing on Nintendo consoles for the best part of two decades
> now and can't see that changing - but if we get back to the point, it
> won't get them market share. Great games don't sell if only a
> fraction of your potential customers know about them.
Who ever said it'd get them bigger market share? Stop putting words in my mouth.
When I mentioned Market Share I was talking about the PSP.
*Checks*
Yep. You appear to be confused.
>
> Are they? Could have fooled me.
This is the joint/equal most daft statement I've heard all day.
How you can see Nintendo as not innovative is simply daft.
Company that accounted for well
> over 50% of the home console market now has a mear sliver. Yeah -
> rushing out, I mean, just look at the best selling titles over all
> formats... wait a minute...
Notice I said 'Which is why they are still around' and not 'why they are industry leader'. Go back and read it again. Yes the are innovative just look at the controllers for examples of their innovation.
Whether they've lost market share has NO bearing on how innovative they are.
Hmmm let me see... Can you have innovation without being the market leader?
*Looks at Apple*
Oh yeah!
>
> And release it with a whole four games, months and months late,
> exactly like they have with the last three machines. Wouldn't be
> supprised if they continue the trend of almost zero worthwhile third
> party support from the last two machines, and generally threating
> Europe like an after-thought.
They've stated they intend to have the first console out next time. Try reading some recent info and stop using the old.
Like I said a re-launch/re-branding is in the air but you don't seem to be paying any attention.
At the risk of repeating myself AGAIN: I believe Nintendo will be a different beast come the launch of the next console.
>
>
> Conviently forgetting everybody favourite innovative company who
> always push the market forward and do really really great things...
> unless they can make more money by re-frying old titles on an
> out-dated machine.
Hmm I'm spotting some similarities between the PS2 and the GBA here.
Like I have ALREADY said: The market is stagnating so it's good to get some competition. Are you only half-reading my replies or something?
The GBA wasn't cutting edge when it was released,
> three years later that's not changed. Look at what you can get for
> £200 in a Pocket PC, remembering their asking price isn't
> subscidised by software sales.
Woop-die-doo. *Goes to play Nintendo exclusive titles on a Pocket PC. Oh hang on....
You seem to be on some anti-Nintendo tirade and are missing/mis-reading points I have made allover the place. Also you are forcing me to repeat myself even though I've already made the views I am repeating VERY CLEAR in this thread already.
Please go back and read this thread from the start before you decide to reply to this one. Un
Somehow you keep on coming back to the GC on points that were made about the GBA. Like when you're talking about market share you are WAY off the point. When I mentioned market share I was talking about the PSP vs GBA and NOT the Gamecube.
>
> Where's the exclusive Nintendo AAA titles from these guys then?
> There aren't any. The developers have the power now and release
> everything across two/three machines.
Next console. Wait and see the launch titles.
>
> Yeah - I'm sure they're delighted to be slowly getting nudged into
> third in a three horse race.
Big deal, they're in the black.
>
> And yet the quality of their games is so much higher.
>
> Your missing the point entirely - the quality of games is almost
> irrelevant to how many consoles are sold. Like I said before, I've
> been playing on Nintendo consoles for the best part of two decades
> now and can't see that changing - but if we get back to the point, it
> won't get them market share. Great games don't sell if only a
> fraction of your potential customers know about them.
Who ever said it'd get them bigger market share? Stop putting words in my mouth.
When I mentioned Market Share I was talking about the PSP.
*Checks*
Yep. You appear to be confused.
>
> Are they? Could have fooled me.
This is the joint/equal most daft statement I've heard all day.
How you can see Nintendo as not innovative is simply daft.
Company that accounted for well
> over 50% of the home console market now has a mear sliver. Yeah -
> rushing out, I mean, just look at the best selling titles over all
> formats... wait a minute...
Notice I said 'Which is why they are still around' and not 'why they are industry leader'. Go back and read it again. Yes the are innovative just look at the controllers for examples of their innovation.
Whether they've lost market share has NO bearing on how innovative they are.
Hmmm let me see... Can you have innovation without being the market leader?
*Looks at Apple*
Oh yeah!
>
> And release it with a whole four games, months and months late,
> exactly like they have with the last three machines. Wouldn't be
> supprised if they continue the trend of almost zero worthwhile third
> party support from the last two machines, and generally threating
> Europe like an after-thought.
They've stated they intend to have the first console out next time. Try reading some recent info and stop using the old.
Like I said a re-launch/re-branding is in the air but you don't seem to be paying any attention.
At the risk of repeating myself AGAIN: I believe Nintendo will be a different beast come the launch of the next console.
>
>
> Conviently forgetting everybody favourite innovative company who
> always push the market forward and do really really great things...
> unless they can make more money by re-frying old titles on an
> out-dated machine.
Hmm I'm spotting some similarities between the PS2 and the GBA here.
Like I have ALREADY said: The market is stagnating so it's good to get some competition. Are you only half-reading my replies or something?
The GBA wasn't cutting edge when it was released,
> three years later that's not changed. Look at what you can get for
> £200 in a Pocket PC, remembering their asking price isn't
> subscidised by software sales.
Woop-die-doo. *Goes to play Nintendo exclusive titles on a Pocket PC. Oh hang on....
You seem to be on some anti-Nintendo tirade and are missing/mis-reading points I have made allover the place. Also you are forcing me to repeat myself even though I've already made the views I am repeating VERY CLEAR in this thread already.
Please go back and read this thread from the start before you decide to reply to this one. Un
Somehow you keep on coming back to the GC on points that were made about the GBA. Like when you're talking about market share you are WAY off the point. When I mentioned market share I was talking about the PSP vs GBA and NOT the Gamecube.
First up I don't think the N-Gage will be as big a flop as you all seem to think. Don't think it will be a success, but still not as much of a flop as predicted.
Now onto the PSP. It will sell bucketloads. The Playstation brand is that strong.
As for Nintendo, they don't learn Hedfix. Eventually the N64 sold 30-35 million units. That's at least 20 million more than the GC. Which only has a maximum of 3 years left in it, with 2 being more realistic. The GC will end up doing worse than the N64.
Maybe Nintendo will release a new handheld before or just after the PSP. But it will probably end up having a few more rehashes of old games. I want something new, not Mario World 54782 Advance Super Colour.
Recently the GBA SP has had some advertising. Some pretty good too, in buses (seen the 300 other things to do in the dark ad? Quite good for Ninty). But will they do a big marketing campaign to try take the shine off of the PSP? Of course not.
I doubt that the PSP will make it to number one in the handheld market. But it will take a fair bit of the market. And that will hurt Nintendo's profits. Doing more damage to their bank balance.
By the generation after that, if Nokia have not given up on the handheld market then I see Nintendo having less than 50% market share. If that happens then expect to see Nintendo bought over.
GC a Nintendo testing ground? Doubt it. MS didn't need a testing ground. You get out there and do the best you can. Nintendo are not going to change whilst the same people are in charge. And whilst people do still rush to buy their games, most of the time it's out of the rarities sake of seeing a game on the GC. Let's face it, Nintendo are never exactly setting the game charts alight are they?
Now onto the PSP. It will sell bucketloads. The Playstation brand is that strong.
As for Nintendo, they don't learn Hedfix. Eventually the N64 sold 30-35 million units. That's at least 20 million more than the GC. Which only has a maximum of 3 years left in it, with 2 being more realistic. The GC will end up doing worse than the N64.
Maybe Nintendo will release a new handheld before or just after the PSP. But it will probably end up having a few more rehashes of old games. I want something new, not Mario World 54782 Advance Super Colour.
Recently the GBA SP has had some advertising. Some pretty good too, in buses (seen the 300 other things to do in the dark ad? Quite good for Ninty). But will they do a big marketing campaign to try take the shine off of the PSP? Of course not.
I doubt that the PSP will make it to number one in the handheld market. But it will take a fair bit of the market. And that will hurt Nintendo's profits. Doing more damage to their bank balance.
By the generation after that, if Nokia have not given up on the handheld market then I see Nintendo having less than 50% market share. If that happens then expect to see Nintendo bought over.
GC a Nintendo testing ground? Doubt it. MS didn't need a testing ground. You get out there and do the best you can. Nintendo are not going to change whilst the same people are in charge. And whilst people do still rush to buy their games, most of the time it's out of the rarities sake of seeing a game on the GC. Let's face it, Nintendo are never exactly setting the game charts alight are they?
I dont know why people are up in arms about Nintendo stopping imports.
A few shops have closed, but you can still get the games you want from elsewhere.
A few shops have closed, but you can still get the games you want from elsewhere.
Hedfix wrote:
> Like Capcom and Namco who Nintendo are now quite friendly with? Pfft
> CLEARLY Nintendo haven't learned anything.
Where's the exclusive Nintendo AAA titles from these guys then? There aren't any. The developers have the power now and release everything across two/three machines.
> Yeah I mean farming out licences to respected developers whilst they
> work on new ones: that's going to 'get them nowhere'? Riiiiight.
Yeah - I'm sure they're delighted to be slowly getting nudged into third in a three horse race.
> And yet the quality of their games is so much higher.
Your missing the point entirely - the quality of games is almost irrelevant to how many consoles are sold. Like I said before, I've been playing on Nintendo consoles for the best part of two decades now and can't see that changing - but if we get back to the point, it won't get them market share. Great games don't sell if only a fraction of your potential customers know about them.
> And the 'lumbering giant' is actually rather innovative and wily
> which is why they are still here and why people still rush to buy
> their games.
Are they? Could have fooled me. Company that accounted for well over 50% of the home console market now has a mear sliver. Yeah - rushing out, I mean, just look at the best selling titles over all formats... wait a minute...
> It'll ne interesting to see how much of a 'lumbering
> giant' they look when the next console is released.
And release it with a whole four games, months and months late, exactly like they have with the last three machines. Wouldn't be supprised if they continue the trend of almost zero worthwhile third party support from the last two machines, and generally threating Europe like an after-thought.
> As long as it isn't price-fixing Nintendo can ask what they like for
> their quality products. If you don't want them - don't but them it's
> as simple as that.
Conviently forgetting everybody favourite innovative company who always push the market forward and do really really great things... unless they can make more money by re-frying old titles on an out-dated machine. The GBA wasn't cutting edge when it was released, three years later that's not changed. Look at what you can get for £200 in a Pocket PC, remembering their asking price isn't subscidised by software sales.
> Like Capcom and Namco who Nintendo are now quite friendly with? Pfft
> CLEARLY Nintendo haven't learned anything.
Where's the exclusive Nintendo AAA titles from these guys then? There aren't any. The developers have the power now and release everything across two/three machines.
> Yeah I mean farming out licences to respected developers whilst they
> work on new ones: that's going to 'get them nowhere'? Riiiiight.
Yeah - I'm sure they're delighted to be slowly getting nudged into third in a three horse race.
> And yet the quality of their games is so much higher.
Your missing the point entirely - the quality of games is almost irrelevant to how many consoles are sold. Like I said before, I've been playing on Nintendo consoles for the best part of two decades now and can't see that changing - but if we get back to the point, it won't get them market share. Great games don't sell if only a fraction of your potential customers know about them.
> And the 'lumbering giant' is actually rather innovative and wily
> which is why they are still here and why people still rush to buy
> their games.
Are they? Could have fooled me. Company that accounted for well over 50% of the home console market now has a mear sliver. Yeah - rushing out, I mean, just look at the best selling titles over all formats... wait a minute...
> It'll ne interesting to see how much of a 'lumbering
> giant' they look when the next console is released.
And release it with a whole four games, months and months late, exactly like they have with the last three machines. Wouldn't be supprised if they continue the trend of almost zero worthwhile third party support from the last two machines, and generally threating Europe like an after-thought.
> As long as it isn't price-fixing Nintendo can ask what they like for
> their quality products. If you don't want them - don't but them it's
> as simple as that.
Conviently forgetting everybody favourite innovative company who always push the market forward and do really really great things... unless they can make more money by re-frying old titles on an out-dated machine. The GBA wasn't cutting edge when it was released, three years later that's not changed. Look at what you can get for £200 in a Pocket PC, remembering their asking price isn't subscidised by software sales.
*Buy
*Respects
*Respects
Dr Gonzo wrote:
>
> What a scoop! Launched a year after it sold thousands of PS2.
> Launched months after it was available on the PC. This is a case of
> a developer squeezing a title dry, not MS courting developers with
> Sony-esque ability.
And yet it looks as though it'll be selling a few X-boxes. Quite frankly I'd see a rival console getting another consoles 'perceived' flagship game released on their console just before christmas as a scoop.
>
> Harsh. I think they made a better job of it with the GC. I think
> they
> are re-evaluating their appraoch even more for the next console. The
> GC should hopefully be the 'transition console' for Nintendo to
> experiment with and come back stronger with the next one.
>
> Ahhh... no. Nintendo never learn anything. Ever.
Possibly the dumbest statement I'm going to hear allday.
A large part of
> it also comes down to the huge grudge the old boy's network holds
> against Ninty for making life so hard for them in the 8/16-bit days.
Like Capcom and Namco who Nintendo are now quite friendly with? Pfft CLEARLY Nintendo haven't learned anything.
> Sony were the Knight's on white horses ending the days of stupidly
> high liscencing fees and obtuse checks and controls from the console
> manufacturer.
And opening the doors for every man and his dog to release a shoddily made game.
Sony come along with low prices and a nice, fat,
> useful suit of middleware. Ninty did exactly the same with the N64
> and got screwed. And a half hearted attempt to drag back developers
> has got them nowhere.
Yeah I mean farming out licences to respected developers whilst they work on new ones: that's going to 'get them nowhere'? Riiiiight.
>
> Same goes for your replying post below - it makes no difference how
> many competitors there are as all it takes is one to make you look
> like a lumbering giant who bleeds their customers for all they're
> worth.
And yet the quality of their games is so much higher. Hmmm let me see... pay a couple of extra quid for a quality game or buy some cheap supposed facsimile of said game? I think I'll pay the extra few quid. You know what you're getting with something like Zelda.
And the 'lumbering giant' is actually rather innovative and wily which is why they are still here and why people still rush to buy their games. It'll ne interesting to see how much of a 'lumbering giant' they look when the next console is released.
The GBA is over-priced and under spec-ed for no reason other
> than Ninty know they can do it without hurting their fat profits.
> You think it was just one of those wierd quirks that the day Sony
> announced the PSP, Ninty's market value took a hit?
As long as it isn't price-fixing Nintendo can ask what they like for their quality products. If you don't want them - don't but them it's as simple as that.
Well judging by the size of Sony it's no wonder Ninty's market value took a hit. Nintendo don't have as much cash, in some rsspects this makes them the underdog. I like underdogs as they usually tend to be the ones that innovate to stay on top.
I think it's high-time the market was open to a bit more competition as this does brong out the new ideas and innovation.
This will be a good fight between Nintendo and Sony, no doubt both will have some tricks up their sleeves, as I've said before Nintendo will have learnt from their mistakes that allowed the PlayStation to take the lions-share of the market from them.
This time around I expect Nintendo to fight tooth and nail.
>
> What a scoop! Launched a year after it sold thousands of PS2.
> Launched months after it was available on the PC. This is a case of
> a developer squeezing a title dry, not MS courting developers with
> Sony-esque ability.
And yet it looks as though it'll be selling a few X-boxes. Quite frankly I'd see a rival console getting another consoles 'perceived' flagship game released on their console just before christmas as a scoop.
>
> Harsh. I think they made a better job of it with the GC. I think
> they
> are re-evaluating their appraoch even more for the next console. The
> GC should hopefully be the 'transition console' for Nintendo to
> experiment with and come back stronger with the next one.
>
> Ahhh... no. Nintendo never learn anything. Ever.
Possibly the dumbest statement I'm going to hear allday.
A large part of
> it also comes down to the huge grudge the old boy's network holds
> against Ninty for making life so hard for them in the 8/16-bit days.
Like Capcom and Namco who Nintendo are now quite friendly with? Pfft CLEARLY Nintendo haven't learned anything.
> Sony were the Knight's on white horses ending the days of stupidly
> high liscencing fees and obtuse checks and controls from the console
> manufacturer.
And opening the doors for every man and his dog to release a shoddily made game.
Sony come along with low prices and a nice, fat,
> useful suit of middleware. Ninty did exactly the same with the N64
> and got screwed. And a half hearted attempt to drag back developers
> has got them nowhere.
Yeah I mean farming out licences to respected developers whilst they work on new ones: that's going to 'get them nowhere'? Riiiiight.
>
> Same goes for your replying post below - it makes no difference how
> many competitors there are as all it takes is one to make you look
> like a lumbering giant who bleeds their customers for all they're
> worth.
And yet the quality of their games is so much higher. Hmmm let me see... pay a couple of extra quid for a quality game or buy some cheap supposed facsimile of said game? I think I'll pay the extra few quid. You know what you're getting with something like Zelda.
And the 'lumbering giant' is actually rather innovative and wily which is why they are still here and why people still rush to buy their games. It'll ne interesting to see how much of a 'lumbering giant' they look when the next console is released.
The GBA is over-priced and under spec-ed for no reason other
> than Ninty know they can do it without hurting their fat profits.
> You think it was just one of those wierd quirks that the day Sony
> announced the PSP, Ninty's market value took a hit?
As long as it isn't price-fixing Nintendo can ask what they like for their quality products. If you don't want them - don't but them it's as simple as that.
Well judging by the size of Sony it's no wonder Ninty's market value took a hit. Nintendo don't have as much cash, in some rsspects this makes them the underdog. I like underdogs as they usually tend to be the ones that innovate to stay on top.
I think it's high-time the market was open to a bit more competition as this does brong out the new ideas and innovation.
This will be a good fight between Nintendo and Sony, no doubt both will have some tricks up their sleeves, as I've said before Nintendo will have learnt from their mistakes that allowed the PlayStation to take the lions-share of the market from them.
This time around I expect Nintendo to fight tooth and nail.
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